Australia Australia - Marion Barter - Missing After Trip to UK - June 1997 #16

[mishy66]

I when I heard that on latest episodes my instinct was DDH knows what he does. Sure ok scam pretend to fall in love and whisk them away but DO NOT be unfaithful.

Many may disagree but I 1000% believe she has been aware for years and has happily played along for $$

Totally agree Diane knows everything.
Especially after listening to the neighbours view of her and then going back to her responses during the inquest.

I think the prostate op was legit when mentioned at inquest and with GGB insight of his blue willy and GD saying he didnt make love to her, (that part nearly made me spew my coffee out), he isnt out there in the 2000s to bed women, only rob them.

He hates women. But been married to Diane for nearly 50yrs.....makes you wonder right.

Money is his sex.

 

[mishy66]

Where is the toxicology results with the delayed results of the contents of the sludge in her stomach?
I assume poisons could cause myocardial ischemia which was reported cause of death??
I wonder why it wasn’t subsequently attached?
I got a bit confused during the latest information about Illona.
Is this the information Joni has uncovered which is alluded to??

Sorry but Im not sharing the full file due to families involved and it not being discussed on TLV.

Its all online if you want to search.

 

[Deleted member 249471]

As @Peralta has mentioned possibly blonde MC….
Or
Perhaps ensuring they don’t look like they did to family and friends. Should they report a missing they don’t match the missing description or photo ? Just a theory

Interesting. Never thought of that. If that’s the case, I wonder if THAT is the reason he made Marion change her name? So when reported missing, no-one would find her? Same as Ilonas ‘accidental’ name change to Ilana? Hmmm…. Very very interesting!

 

[mishy66]

It only just occurred to me WHY someone would ask for liver blood tests and ultrasound BEFORE intending to poison a victim.

Perhaps he was already drugging them and wanted to see if it was showing or doing damage (he didn’t want to leave evidence).

Or maybe it was to see if they had a pre-existing condition he could hide his murder within.

Like Ghislane. She had sleep apnea so dying in sleep wouldn’t be out of the realm of posibilidades.

Someone else mentioned this too.

Cant think of any other reason why he would want them to do this.

 

[MrsWattle]

Interesting. Never thought of that. If that’s the case, I wonder if THAT is the reason he made Marion change her name? So when reported missing, no-one would find her? Same as Ilonas ‘accidental’ name change to Ilana? Hmmm…. Very very interesting!

I also wonder if he used rub in tan to change his or his victims appearance .
Also Marion going to the optometrist in Grafton might have been at his insistence, something weird about him trying to find faults in his victims. A form of control to find the health weaknesses. Not saying Marion was weak.
Marion appeared absolutely exhausted and fell asleep with her palms up at Sally's. That's weird too. Rohipnol?

 

[MrsWattle]

Rohypnol

 

[*juniper*]

Interesting. Never thought of that. If that’s the case, I wonder if THAT is the reason he made Marion change her name? So when reported missing, no-one would find her? Same as Ilonas ‘accidental’ name change to Ilana? Hmmm…. Very very interesting!

Yes, I believe that he went to a great deal of effort to make it look like MB disappeared overseas, so when her family looked for her in that name in Tunbridge Wells there would be no trace.

 

[Deleted member 249471]

The podcast said IK’s death certificate said she died of a heart attack.

Technically, it was myocardial ischema.

You can die of myocardial ischema due to carbon monoxide poisoning. Just saying.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

It’s very strange. GGB suggested he was impotent and Ghislaine confirmed it too. But JO in her evidence said that something sexual did take place although she didn’t go into detail. That was the year after GGB. My own feeling is that he tried to avoid being intimate but felt duty bound if it meant getting at the money.

Two ideas

1 Maybe he didn't want to leave any evidence of having had sex. He probably thought he could then lie about never having met the woman.

2 Maybe by drugging a woman and taking photos of them, he could convince them that sex did happen.

Doesn't account for Jo, though.

I think really he had contempt for most women.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Oh well, there goes my Wednesday and my excuse not to attend a Christmas gathering
Not a family one.

 

[katwingbat]

I’m sorry for my ignorance, but what did RB stand to gain from IKs death? Thanks you brainy peeps

 

[hoodunnit]

Interesting. Never thought of that. If that’s the case, I wonder if THAT is the reason he made Marion change her name? So when reported missing, no-one would find her? Same as Ilonas ‘accidental’ name change to Ilana? Hmmm…. Very very interesting!

Why would RB have had any input into her "accidental" name change? She was married to someone else at the time, wasn't she? Also, it's really not that uncommon for misspellings of names in public records. Having recently looked at my own family tree on Ancestry, there are many, many spelling mistakes probably made by the records clerks.

 

[mishy66]

I’m sorry for my ignorance, but what did RB stand to gain from IKs death? Thanks you brainy peeps

Maybe she knew too much

 

[*juniper*]

As @Peralta has mentioned possibly blonde MC….
Or
Perhaps ensuring they don’t look like they did to family and friends. Should they report a missing they don’t match the missing description or photo ? Just a theory

JO reported that he wanted her to change her hair colour before getting a new passport (& passport photo). JO spoke to her hairdresser but it could not be done in one visit. Maybe if she had changed her hair colour then he would have tried to get her to change her name too?

 

[TootsieFootsie]

The hair colour change had to be more than him pining away for someone of a different hair colour.

After all he was just going to dump these women, not enter into some long term affair or anything, but they didn't know that

 

[mishy66]

Why would RB have had any input into her "accidental" name change? She was married to someone else at the time, wasn't she? Also, it's really not that uncommon for misspellings of names in public records. Having recently looked at my own family tree on Ancestry, there are many, many spelling mistakes probably made by the records clerks.

Yes I think the spelling error was just human error and that alone made it difficult to search her burial record

But then this is RB we are talking about so who knows. I put nothing past him.

All her other documents though have her name correct.

 

[Deleted member 249471]

I’m sorry for my ignorance, but what did RB stand to gain from IKs death? Thanks you brainy peeps

100% she knew too much.

Just speculating, but a likely scenario is IK was asking for child support or for him to return whatever he stole from her, or she would report him. He would rather kill than pay up.

Another scenario is police started asking questions and he knew she would be honest, so she had to go.

 

[Brown Alleycat]

I’m sorry for my ignorance, but what did RB stand to gain from IKs death? Thanks you brainy peeps

If she was trying to force him to pay child support for his daughter then that could be a motive.

 

[*juniper*]

Maybe the change of hair colour was a way of gaining initial control, making it more likely that later on he could influence a woman in her financial decisions?

 

[TootsieFootsie]

This news may seem like it might be a good thing for RB, but I think it's the exact opposite and that they have a lot more on him now.

His luck is running out......