Australia Australia - Marion Barter - Missing After Trip to UK - June 1997 #17

Status
Not open for further replies.
  • #441
Understand where you are coming from with this comment but please remember the end game here... What happened to Marion and exposing this con man for living a life of deceit and vile behavior all the while thinking he could get away with it scot-free. Am sure he would be rubbing his hands together if he is reading this (which I am sure he is) and seeing groups turning against each other.

I accept your point and agree. Common unity against this low life creature is the most important thing so he (and those of his family who have maybe knowingly benefited from his life of crime) are held accountable.
 
  • #442
This is a quote from a post by @BonnieB, last August 2022, "Just a further point for the person or persons who have a desire to see this forum shut down.
Have you considered this...? Websleuths offers anonymity to any person who may otherwise, never come forward with information on a facebook or media page
."
I do not know where BonnieB found this information from, but she was a wonderful sleuth on this particular forum, but has not posted since. So sad….
Found what information?
 
  • #443
In terms of his MO and 'game play' as it were, he clearly wants to fleece the victim of all their assets - cash, valuables, and property - then leave them with nothing and even worse, nothing they can do about it.

I speculate that if he's sure the victim doesn't know his true identity and has no clue to his real life and he has a sufficient cover story / lie that means any legal action would only comprise a civil dispute, then he just abandons them. If he is at risk of being revealed and police knocking at his door then I reckon he would end their life.

What I really don't understand is where all the stolen money has gone - he and his family must have been living a really luxury lifestyle without a care in the world, financially speaking, as they would have been alright off with his disability pensions and welfare payments. He obviously isn't a casino gambler or serious addict or that would have come to light by now. Has he really just given his wife and kids the very best of everything of the back of other people's misery and pain?
He and his wife never worked. They had two kids. I don’t think they were living a luxury life, they were just living a regular life on someone else’s income. I do think he will have some money stashed overseas though.
 
  • #444
Found what information?
@bbbounce I was only wondering from where or from whom, BonnieB discovered that (quote) "a person or persons..have a desire to shut this forum down…”? Bonnie was a major contributor here, had a lot of information she had transferred onto a spreadsheet and is a great loss (IMHO) to this conversation. Come back @BonnieB!
 
Last edited:
  • #445
I really miss Peralta & BonnieB. Loved their input! Hoping both return to this forum.
 
  • #446
He and his wife never worked. They had two kids. I don’t think they were living a luxury life, they were just living a regular life on someone else’s income. I do think he will have some money stashed overseas though.
Being a pensioner, raising 2 children, buying and selling family homes, and being able to afford regular overseas travel isn't the norm.
 
  • #447
Being a pensioner, raising 2 children, buying and selling family homes, and being able to afford regular overseas travel isn't the norm.
And they may own home/s outright. ie no debt. Not bad for pensioners!
 
  • #448
Another article in The Australian. 23rd Feb 2023

Ric Blum and Marion Barter: everything we know about the case.

Photo of Ric Blums office in Ballina, for his coin business

Behind Paywall
 

Attachments

  • 60cf01d634cdce536caf979ea94018f8.jpg
    60cf01d634cdce536caf979ea94018f8.jpg
    114.8 KB · Views: 64
  • #449
He and his wife never worked. They had two kids. I don’t think they were living a luxury life, they were just living a regular life on someone else’s income. I do think he will have some money stashed overseas though.
I politely disagree.

They were never living a regular life. They only wanted to be seen this way by others who lived beside them or who knew them slightly IMO
 
  • #450
Another article in The Australian. 23rd Feb 2023

Ric Blum and Marion Barter: everything we know about the case.

Photo of Ric Blums office in Ballina, for his coin business

Behind Paywall
Nice. Pity that’s not one of Marion’s paintings on the wall.
 
  • #451

(* sorry about the links - they came with the story)​

Ric Blum and Marion Barter: everything we know about the case​

The cold case of missing Queensland mum Marion Barter and her secret ties to the convicted conman Ric Blum has made headlines around the globe and is sending amateur sleuths into overdrive. Here’s what we know about the case so far.

Who is Ric Blum?
Belgium-born Ric Blum, 83, has been based in Australia for more than 40 years with his fourth and current wife, Diane De Hedervary. Previously jailed in France for fraud, he has at least 50 aliases and a long history of deceiving and exploiting women. Blum’s other names include Willy Wouters, Richard Lloyd Westbury, Richard West, Willy David-Coppenolle and Rich Richard.

Who is Marion Barter?
Marion Barter
is a Queensland maths teacher and the former wife of Australian football legend Johnny Warren. She was 51 years old in 1997 when she quit her job at The Southport School on the Gold Coast, sold her house and travelled overseas on a holiday.
Ric Blum has confirmed to NSW State Coroner Teresa O’Sullivan at an ongoing inquest that he had been in a secret relationship with Barter for about four months before she vanished, but he denies any knowledge of her fate and maintains his innocence in all allegations against him.

Who is Florabella Remakel?
Florabella Remakel
is the name Barter gave herself when she went overseas. A man with the same unusual surname had placed an ad in French-language newspaper Le Courrier Australien in 1994, seeking a relationship and potential marriage.
Where is Barter now?
Barter’s whereabouts are unknown and her disappearance has been the subject of an inquest and police investigation in NSW. Authorities assume that Barter is dead.
What is known is that after leaving the country in 1997, she returned the same year without contacting family or friends, used her Medicare card at an optometrist’s appointment, made a series of large cash withdrawals, then dropped off the face of the earth. Among the few clues are that Barter’s daughter Sally Leydonfleetingly saw her mother, single and looking for love, in a car with a mystery man at a petrol station shortly before her big overseas trip. Barter appeared startled to be spotted, and hurriedly drove off.
Five days before Barter departed to the UK, Blum also left Australia for Europe. Two days before she came back, Blum returned.
Barter or someone posing as her was subsequently in the Byron Bay area, making daily cash withdrawals, with Blum living just down the road in Wollongbar with his wife and teenage children.
On October 14, 1997, Blum opened a safety deposit envelope with the Commonwealth Bank. The next day, $80,000 was taken out of Barter’s Colonial State Bank account in Byron, the biggest single withdrawal. Soon after that, Barter’s trail goes stone cold.


Why the sudden interest in this 1997 cold case?

There are several reasons: a podcast, an explosive Belgian media report, and fresh revelations by The Australian’s national crime correspondent David Murray involving Ric Blum’s dark backstory.


In February this year, in a joint investigation between the Luxemburger Wort, Luxembourg Times and Nieuwsblad newspapers, it was reported that Blum had swindled a Belgian woman out of €100,000 in 2012 following her husband’s death the previous year. Blum was the cousin of the woman’s late husband and is said to have convinced her to travel with him to Bali to jointly purchase a house. Then, after booking her in for a massage and hairdressing appointment, he disappeared with her cash.
Back home, valuable and sentimental jewellery was missing, including her wedding ring.
Late last year, he was accused of stealing about €70,000 from another Belgian widow, Ghislaine Danlois, in 2006 after she placed a personal ad in a newspaper. Blum’s long and eloquent handwritten letter in French responding to the ad had perfect spelling and stood out from the other replies.
Her abrupt plans to sell her home and car before moving to Australia with Blum was a red flag for relatives. So too was the discovery that Blum, who claimed to travel the world collecting rare coins, was slumming it in student accommodation in Brussels when he claimed he usually bedded down in luxury at the five-star Astoria Hotel.
Danlois’s daughter-in-law, Alexandra Peereboom, has prepared a statement about what happened for NSW Coroner.

Blum’s daughter Evelyn Reid this week told The Australian her father had previously spoken to her in horrifying detail about how to kill people with homemade poison.
“He wanted to teach me how to poison people. I ended up being terrified,” Ms Reid said.
Police have contacted her only once, during the ongoing inquest into Barter’s disappearance, and had not taken a formal statement, she said. Blum denies dabbling in poisons and says he met Reid only once, as a baby, and had never seen or spoken to her since.


Meanwhile, amateur sleuths have joined the search for Barter on the back of a popular true-crime podcast, The Lady Vanishes, about her disappearance.


What has the investigation and inquest found so far?
A NSW inquest into Barter’s disappearance and suspected death remains ongoing.
When asked outright by homicide detectives whether he murdered Barter Blum emphatically denied it. He did the same at the inquest and strenuously maintains his innocence in all allegations against him.
Blum told the inquest he had changed his name “as a fantasy”. But Adam Casselden SC, counsel assisting the coroner, said in his closing submissions that Mr Blum had a pattern of exploiting vulnerable women. “He has led an extraordinary life of deceit and duplicity,” Mr Casselden said.


Forty-eight hours before NSW State Coroner Teresa O’Sullivan was due to hand down findings last November into Barter’s disappearance, the case was unexpectedly put on hold to allow homicide squad detectives to conduct further investigations.

Joni Condos, who has been on the trail for the podcast The Lady Vanishes discovered Barter underwent a full liver function test in mid-May, just before leaving, despite having no known health issues. Belgian widow Danlois spoke of Blum also insisting she undergo liver tests.
“There are so many threads in this case, it goes in so many different directions,” Condos told The Australian.
What a pity the investigative journalist didn’t elaborate (to the general public) the importance of the name, Florabella Natalia Remakel and the association to Frederik Nicolas Remakel, being one of RB's aliases. This is a tangible point in the case that links many facts together.
 
  • #452

Ric Blum has confirmed to NSW State Coroner Teresa O’Sullivan at an ongoing inquest that he had been in a secret relationship with Barter for about four months before she vanished


I am still confounded why he did this. AFAIK there was no evidence they had ever met? Or did he think some would turn up?
 
  • #453
He and his wife never worked. They had two kids. I don’t think they were living a luxury life, they were just living a regular life on someone else’s income. I do think he will have some money stashed overseas though.
One of the possible caches is in Renov Pubs. Who knows how far any investigation has gone with Aka’s mystery company in Belgium. I do hope though Belgium law enforcement gain full access to these records and any bank accounts attributed to this company. Surely it will shed a light on some of his dodgy money.
 
  • #454
He and his wife never worked. They had two kids. I don’t think they were living a luxury life, they were just living a regular life on someone else’s income. I do think he will have some money stashed overseas though.
Possibly. Finding Marion is first and foremost but here is a family who have lived and benefited off the proceeds of many innocent single women vulnerabilities with who knows what consequences to their well-being as we delve ever deeper into this miscreants shady life.

DdeH hasn’t worked for decades and hasn’t needed to. She knows why. The children’s upbringing was no doubt financed in large part from their father’s ‘activities’.

They could bring an end to this upset & misery by opening up to the authorities. Show they have a conscience and that their lives will not be judged by their father’s behaviour.

I really do hope they and anyone protecting them read the posts on here.
 
  • #455
I still have to be convinced that anyone apart from RB ( and his victims) knew how he got his money.

I know I'm the odd one out but I just can't go along with finding fault with his family without any solid evidence.

And to me "they must have known" is nowhere near enough proof.
 
  • #456
And I wonder just how much identity theft is involved. It’s only just occurred to me how full on that is.
 
  • #457
I still have to be convinced that anyone apart from RB ( and his victims) knew how he got his money.

I know I'm the odd one out but I just can't go along with finding fault with his family without any solid evidence.

And to me "they must have known" is nowhere near enough proof.
I tend to agree. Not about DH (I’m on the fence there, erring in the side of her having some knowledge) But Def in relation to the ‘children’. He’s a con artist. I can imagine him being convincing about all his ‘inheritance’.
 
  • #458
Another article in The Australian. 23rd Feb 2023

Ric Blum and Marion Barter: everything we know about the case.

Photo of Ric Blums office in Ballina, for his coin business

Behind Paywall
On a Pension and being able to find the money to rent office space! Very Thrifty. :rolleyes:
 
  • #459
I still have to be convinced that anyone apart from RB ( and his victims) knew how he got his money.

I know I'm the odd one out but I just can't go along with finding fault with his family without any solid evidence.

And to me "they must have known" is nowhere near enough proof.
Not even DdeH??
 
  • #460
I still have to be convinced that anyone apart from RB ( and his victims) knew how he got his money.

I know I'm the odd one out but I just can't go along with finding fault with his family without any solid evidence.

And to me "they must have known" is nowhere near enough proof.
I can understand why you say that. I have swung a number of times between the extremes of her knowing much of went on (it went on for decades and she knew of his previous criminal activity in Europe) or being totally oblivious. I listened to a bit of her inquest evidence again yesterday and IMHO she deliberately obfuscates to some of ACs questions. Whether that constitutes a guilty conscience I’ll let everyone else form their own opinion.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Members online

Online statistics

Members online
125
Guests online
2,415
Total visitors
2,540

Forum statistics

Threads
633,092
Messages
18,636,110
Members
243,401
Latest member
everythingthatswonderful
Back
Top