Australia Australia - Marion Barter - Missing After Trip to UK - June 1997 #17

[Carovb5]

@Carovb5 and anyone else who is familiar with the forests in Belgium, would you say Loppem forest is another option for AKA's grand storytelling about his swine forest / foret de soignes incident ???

Loppem and its castle is mentioned around 1918 a lot, but around the time his accident would have occured i don’t find any info about any police/army/… on horse. Everything is possible but not the most obvious choice…

Le forêt de soignes is next to Waterloo. Since he seems to imagine & portray himself bigger & better than he is, he might fantasise having been at the battle of waterloo, getting his story there The great fantasiser that he is.

Battle of Waterloo - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[brjakj]

From Tom Rüdell on Twitter re the family tree:
She confirmed some things: his mother MC had many siblings, was amputated, different fathers for three brothers, sibling rivalry. She herself never had much contact to her husband's family, since she never got to know her father-in-law, he died young.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1623264880764588034

 

[mishy66]

Loppem and its castle is mentioned around 1918 a lot, but around the time his accident would have occured i don’t find any info about any police/army/… on horse. Everything is possible but not the most obvious choice…

Le forêt de soignes is next to Waterloo. Since he seems to imagine & portray himself bigger & better than he is, he might fantasise having been at the battle of waterloo, getting his story there The great fantasiser that he is.

Battle of Waterloo - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

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[mishy66]

From Tom Rüdell on Twitter re the family tree:
She confirmed some things: his mother MC had many siblings, was amputated, different fathers for three brothers, sibling rivalry. She herself never had much contact to her husband's family, since she never got to know her father-in-law, he died young.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1623264880764588034

Well there you go.

So that raises many Q in regard to WHO AW was and what was he doing marrying MC and WHO the fathers were of the brothers.......


just going back to that writeup about a AW who drugged and tortured the woman in 1966

 

[mishy66]

The names are freely available on the census - all various letters substituted - I am sure you know this though.....and all names in phone books - I wont reveal the other name no but it is all in the phone books, I am sure you know this though....

Sorry I meant to say Electoral Roll here.

 

[mishy66]

From Tom Rüdell on Twitter re the family tree:
She confirmed some things: his mother MC had many siblings, was amputated, different fathers for three brothers, sibling rivalry. She herself never had much contact to her husband's family, since she never got to know her father-in-law, he died young.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1623264880764588034

Thanks for posting this !

It really puts a lot of other things found and dismissed into the ring again doesn't it!

ALL BROTHERS HAD DIFFERENT FATHERS -

Just puts a whole new meaning on the newspaper write up in 1938 of a DD having fisticuffs with Charles Coppenolle doesn't it.....

AND that death notice of Freddy David found ages ago....

 

[mishy66]

Is it possible because the one woman he is smitten about (as was clear at the inquest) is blonde?

I was thinking MC too with all these hair colour changes but what is the catch there with the vicitms?
He wasn't sexual with the cousins wife, and the time with her in Bali was short - he could have just given her the treat to hairdresser without the hair colour change - so it has to be a catch.

What is it that would be difficult for the vicitm with their hair colour changed???

It has to be the passport - extra time allowed for him to get to where ever he needs to go to collect the bounty, while they verify who they are because its a different photo in their passport.

 

[VisitorDog]

The no sex thing seems to have been reported by a number of the women we know about, those able to tell their stories anyway.

With the hair dying - it seems to be all blonde - I wonder if all the known potential victims had dark hair. Are there any we know about who were already blonde?

 

[MrsEmmaPeel]

hey, yall. I have been missing posts because I didn't get notifications that there were new ones. Thought the thread was dead. If I check, I see I'm "watching" this thread. Can anyone tell me what I might do differently? I'm using Firefox. I guess I could check the thread regardless, but it's so easy when there are notifications.

 

[*juniper*]

I was thinking MC too with all these hair colour changes but what is the catch there with the vicitms?
He wasn't sexual with the cousins wife, and the time with her in Bali was short - he could have just given her the treat to hairdresser without the hair colour change - so it has to be a catch.

What is it that would be difficult for the vicitm with their hair colour changed???

It has to be the passport - extra time allowed for him to get to where ever he needs to go to collect the bounty, while they verify who they are because its a different photo in their passport.

Thank you for posting the transcript @mishy66. Very useful information.

My thoughts regarding the hair colouring appointments. One thing about getting your hair coloured is that it usually takes at least a couple of hours & you are pretty much stuck in the hairdressers chair for this time.

With JO, she was meant to change her hair colour BEFORE her new passport photo, while for ‘Charlotte’ it was during her stay in Bali. So I don’t think it is solely about making them appear different.

I think it is about having the woman occupied for a considerable chunk of time that then allows Mr AKA to take advantage of her absence. For JO it might have been about having her away from her house so he could go through her papers and jewellery at his leisure. For ‘Charlotte’, it is about having her occupied away from the hotel room for an extended period of time so he can get his belongings, get to the airport and head directly to Australia without her having time to think and become suspicious. (This is most likely the entry into Australia via Perth airport that we have heard about previously.)

RB did not need to do this for Marion, as he most likely took advantage of her absences when she was teaching at TSS to sort through her papers & belongings and work out what was useful for him.

Also, I think that the correct name of the hotel in Bali is Taman Ayu.

MOO as always.

 

[mishy66]

Thank you for posting the transcript @mishy66. Very useful information.

My thoughts regarding the hair colouring appointments. One thing about getting your hair coloured is that it usually takes at least a couple of hours & you are pretty much stuck in the hairdressers chair for this time.

With JO, she was meant to change her hair colour BEFORE her new passport photo, while for ‘Charlotte’ it was during her stay in Bali. So I don’t think it is solely about making them appear different.

I think it is about having the woman occupied for a considerable chunk of time that then allows Mr AKA to take advantage of her absence. For JO it might have been about having her away from her house so he could go through her papers and jewellery at his leisure. For ‘Charlotte’, it is about having her occupied away from the hotel room for an extended period of time so he can get his belongings, get to the airport and head directly to Australia without her having time to think and become suspicious. (This is most likely the entry into Australia via Perth airport that we have heard about previously.)

RB did not need to do this for Marion, as he most likely took advantage of her absences when she was teaching at TSS to sort through her papers & belongings and work out what was useful for him.

Also, I think that the correct name of the hotel in Bali is Taman Ayu.

MOO as always.

That makes perfect sense.

 

[mishy66]

I wonder if he took the Belgium lady " Charlotte" here.....

 

[KiwiNZ]

been gone awhile so probably missed a heap of stuff ... but I just can't get past JH and her reference to Bali .. I know we wrote her off lol... but I keep on coming back to that comment and the fact Bali continually pops up with RB

so far we haven't found a victim where their family were not aware of RB and the relationship/ friendship .. is this the reason they are still alive .. are the ones who's families didn't know about RB missing ...

 

[Newby171]

Is it possible because the one woman he is smitten about (as was clear at the inquest) is blonde?

Yes, it could be that too

 

[mishy66]

been gone awhile so probably missed a heap of stuff ... but I just can't get past JH and her reference to Bali .. I know we wrote her off lol... but I keep on coming back to that comment and the fact Bali continually pops up with RB

so far we haven't found a victim where their family were not aware of RB and the relationship/ friendship .. is this the reason they are still alive .. are the ones who's families didn't know about RB missing ...

Agree completely!

 

[mishy66]

are the ones who's families didn't know about RB missing ...

like Marion.....

 

[mishy66]

"""He said his daughter was a pilot""

Has NO problem lying to any family members, even his own children with DW - their surname isn't even real - he even denied an identity for his Australian kids - why would anyone believe his BS during the inquest.

Has NO problem stealing from his own family, so why would anyone believe his BS during the inquest.

He lied to his innocent victims - the ones we know of who still have a voice can tell us of his lies, but for those women who have lost their lives to this monster ( IMO) what can they tell us of their times with a psychopath..... a lot it seems!

Marion still sharing her breadcrumbs - collectively we keep finding her trail.

She will find her way home to her family Ric Blum. And the story will be about all the women whose lives you have ruined, NOT about you.

Your 'limelight' is this thread - where the world can see and read the type of person you are.
A criminal - the worst kind of criminal. A pathetic little man.

 

[KathPlumber]

Christopher STEIN was one of his aliases.
I am not sure IF AKA owned the property - 2 bedrooms- but I did find a Stein in Mebourne just beside the caulfield racetrack at the same time the son was in Uni as stated by Diane/ DianNe Walker / David / DeHedervEry / DeHedervAry / Blum and another property under another name closer to the Uni - 1 bedroom

There’s a chance Stein was a fairly common name in Caulfield as it’s one of the suburbs with the biggest Jewish communities in Melbourne. That said, anything is possible, and we know he likes to be near the trots/casino/etc!

IMO

 

[mishy66]

From the MB FB page - Everyday another win to SL!



"In 1966 my mum left Sydney, Australia for a trip overseas. It’s reported that where she flew to is unknown. WE KNOW!!
Joni found her passenger card which had the flight number on it! We looked further into that flight number and discovered that that flight path (QANTAS) went Sydney > Nadi > San Francisco (nowhere near Lucerne when claims have been made by a certain person that in 1966 my mum had a fleeting affair with him and told the world she was a “sex maniac”)!
You might remember I asked mums closest friends and family to do a short talk about their memories of my mum - mums cousin, Roey, told of her memories of mum staying with them in Fiji in the 60’s. I asked Roey if she had any photos or more details.… she did!

FACT: my mum did not meet you in a hotel foyer in 1966 and ask you for sex! "

 

[Lord Peter Flimsy]

From the MB FB page - Everyday another win to SL!



"In 1966 my mum left Sydney, Australia for a trip overseas. It’s reported that where she flew to is unknown. WE KNOW!!
Joni found her passenger card which had the flight number on it! We looked further into that flight number and discovered that that flight path (QANTAS) went Sydney > Nadi > San Francisco (nowhere near Lucerne when claims have been made by a certain person that in 1966 my mum had a fleeting affair with him and told the world she was a “sex maniac”)!
You might remember I asked mums closest friends and family to do a short talk about their memories of my mum - mums cousin, Roey, told of her memories of mum staying with them in Fiji in the 60’s. I asked Roey if she had any photos or more details.… she did!

FACT: my mum did not meet you in a hotel foyer in 1966 and ask you for sex! "

But wasn’t the alleged meeting in 1968/9? I assume Johnny Warren wasn’t on that trip in 1966? They weren’t married then.