Australia Australia - Marion Barter - Missing After Trip to UK - June 1997 #17

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I wonder if he obtained poison in Bali from Goldsmiths or goldsmith supplies.

Whole villages in Bali, Mas and Celuk Goldsmith village where you can have anything made. Cough, cough coins.
Potassium cyanide



June 24, 1922. World-renowned numismatist J. Sanford Saltus was discovered in his room at London's Hotel Metropole, lying on the floor, fully dressed. He was dead at age 69, but not from natural causes.

A coroner's jury labeled Saltus's passing as "death by misadventure," according to an account in the August 1922 issue of the American Numismatic Association's publication, The Numismatist.

The day prior to his death, Saltus purchased a small quantity of potassium cyanide for use in cleaning silver coins he had just purchased. The Numismatist noted, "Potassium cyanide, although one of the most deadly poisons, is frequently used by collectors in cleaning coins..."

Unfortunately, at some point after Saltus retired to his room, on the 24th, he ordered a bottle of ginger ale. "A glass containing the poison and another glass containing ginger ale were found side by side on the dressing table," The Numismatist reported, "and it is believed that while interested in cleaning the coins he took a drink of the poison in mistake for the ginger ale." Ouch!

At the time, Saltus, who hailed from the United States, was president of the British Numismatic Society as well as one of the major benefactors of the American Numismatic Society.


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Ilona Kinczel's toxicology specimens were not processed until 10th April, 1978 nine months AFTER HER DEATH. The Office of the Ombudsman was notified of this and proceeded to investigate. Work "back log" at the laboratory was found to be the cause.
 
  • #302
Is there a way to hide dirty money in Bali… does he have property over there, or does MDH? Where does all his money go… on paper he does not own his own home, right? I’m sure he bought MDH and DDH homes. I think he lives with MDH. Did he buy her home with the understanding that it was really his? So many questions.
Yes, maybe he has homes in various names associated with various Real Estate Agents......
 
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Just an FYI - todays story in the Australian was on Page 1 and Page 2!!

FINALLY getting the coverage Marion needs!
 
  • #304
Interesting comment on the FB page about blurred vision....

Things are starting to make more sense if we look at all the information gathered so far.

Should AKA be using his potassium cyanide to clean his coins and some of it just happens to 'accidently' fall into some yogurt and a drink perhaps, over a long period of time, slowly poisoning some of his victims ( he didnt seem to want to kill his cousins wife CL - too close to home for that to happen) - Marion who is having a trip of a lifetime and looking forward to her trip on the Orient Express, starts to feel symptoms of being unwell. Maybe she starts having blurred vision due to the poisoning and some other odd symptoms that are making her unwell. Maybe she has no medical cover for OS, especially in Europe / Amsterdam the costs are too expensive so she decides to fly home and get help. Maybe she is concerned about not worrying Sally about her feeling unwell, after all she is only here for 8 days to get a check up, so doesnt bother letting her know.

She doesn't go to her normal optometrist connected to her Qld Teacher’s Health group. But one in Grafton...
Maybe he mentions to Marion that all she needs is a restful break in Bali......before they both head back to live "'happily ever after in Lux"
She makes a couple of withdrawals to do just that, then MB disappears......

"It has been narrowed down to an eye check because only this service is claimable on Medicare. Glasses would require payment (and claim on private health fund if you wished to get money back) plus it would require time for the glasses to be prepared and a return visit to collect them anyway. The Grafton records show one visit for eye exam only". MB FB page

AKA buys a car just two days after known evidence that Marion was alive having an eye check at the optometrist.

August 1997, money was being withdrawn from Marion's account in Byron Bay - not far from Wollongbar where they lived & two times in Burleigh Heads.


Taking poisons in and out of countries would need some sort of smart baggage, like a hidden compartment maybe? Like the type of bag the real FR had a patent for??

WHAT COMPANIES DID AKA OWN AND MAYBE.... the wife own???
 
  • #305
Taking poisons in and out of countries would need some sort of smart baggage, like a hidden compartment maybe? Like the type of bag the real FR had a patent for??

I was thinking this the other day when going back over his UFO (ridiculous idea) ... I really don't think the real FR owns those patents, too much of a coincidence that it was related the luggage.
 
  • #306
I was thinking this the other day when going back over his UFO (ridiculous idea) ... I really don't think the real FR owns those patents, too much of a coincidence that it was related the luggage.
Maybe

yes the UFO one is interesting isnt it.
 
  • #307
Glad they used a pic of his daughter, even if the face is blurred, the whole family should be shamed at this stage, and they should never forget who bought the shame to them ... their AH father and they let him continue.

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Have they changed the photo in the article? I’ve been looking for it and can’t find it again.
 
  • #308
Have they changed the photo in the article? I’ve been looking for it and can’t find it again.

Had a look back at the original article and the photo is now a closeup of RB and wife.
 
  • #309
Had a look back at the original article and the photo is now a closeup of RB and wife.
Interesting! Thank you for confirming. I wasn’t sure if I had just lost the right article.
 
  • #310
"Homemade Poison"
What a crazy creep!
 
  • #311
Potassium cyanide

The Numismatist noted, "Potassium cyanide, although one of the most deadly poisons, is frequently used by collectors in cleaning coins..."
Totally unrelated to this case and off piste ... but Potassium cyanide is a feature in the S-Town podcast, it's the best podcast ever IMO (sorry TLV's)

and quite frankly if RB has been exposed to Potassium cyanide over time that could explain alot
 
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Totally unrelated to this case and off piste ... but Potassium cyanide is a feature in the S-Town podcast, it's the best podcast ever IMO (sorry TLV's)

and quite frankly if RB has been exposed to Potassium cyanide over time that could explain alot
Ooh good pick up. And I agree best ever! It was the first podcast I listened to. Riveting!
 
  • #313
I wonder if RB developed his own photos.
 
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THE NEWSPAPER WRITEUP:

Conman dad terrified daughter with ‘lessons on poisons’​


A convicted conman questioned over the disappearance of a Queensland teacher spoke in horrifying detail about how to kill people with homemade poison, his daughter says.
Ric Blum gave evidence under oath at the inquest into the presumed death of Marion Barter that he met his daughter, Evelyn Reid, only once, as a baby, and had never seen or spoken to her since.
Yet Ms Reid has told The Australian of her as an adult making contact with Mr Blum, only to be terrified by his dark tales of torture and murder.

“I always thought I had a father out there and that if he knew how hellish my life was, he would come and rescue me from it,” Ms Reid said.
“So later on in life, I sought him out. He was a nightmare.
“He spoke in a manner about my dead mother that was utterly disgusting, said things that left me in a state of shock.
“I just really didn’t want to have anything to do with him.”
Years went by without further contact until a boyfriend insisted that engaging with her father could heal some of her trauma.
“So I sought him out again,” she said. “This time, I did get to see evidence of why I was so disturbed by him the first time around.
“ He wanted to teach me how to poison people. I ended up being terrified.”
Police have contacted her only once, during the ongoing inquest into Barter’s disappearance, and had not taken a formal statement, she said.

Mr Blum last week strenuously denied separate allegations he may have wanted to poison a Belgian widow he is accused of defrauding, one of a growing number of women he allegedly deceived and exploited over decades.
Describing those claims as “completely untrue”, Mr Blum said the only poisons he knew were those in general home use.
He also denied to police and at the inquest that he murdered Barter, though he has admitted they had an affair just before she vanished in 1997.


Ms Reid, 53, says when it comes to the relationship between her mother, Ilona Reid, and Mr Blum, she knows only what she has been told by family members.


Those stories are as astonishing as almost everything else that has been revealed about her father.
Ms Reid’s mother was from Hungary and migrated with her family to Belgium, where she formed a relationship with Mr Blum.
According to an aunt, her mother was wildly in love with Mr Blum, but a private investigator hired by her suspicious family “found out that he had other wives and other children”.
Ms Reid’s mother ignored her family’s warnings about Mr Blum, only to later discover for herself “how horrible he was”, the aunt said.
“The story … is that she fled Belgium to get away from him,” Ms Reid said.

“The story (the aunt) told me was of this crazy man in a Porsche on the Euro freeway where you can drive a million miles an hour, with a gun, trying to get to the boat before it sails off – and that that was him.
“I have no way to sort out what is fact and what is fiction of any of these things.

Not long after her mother arrived in Australia, so did Mr Blum. Her mother had met someone else on the ship, and Mr Blum played no role in Ms Reid’s early life.
On the afternoon of Wednesday, July 13, 1977, Ms Reid’s mother was found dead, slumped over the steering wheel of her Holden Torana sedan on Chapel St in Melbourne’s St Kilda. Ms Reid was seven years old and her mother, a hairdresser, was only 31.
Official coronial file documents state that she died of heart failure. No alcohol, common drugs or poisons were detected, the file states.
“My grandma only had two kids, my mum and my uncle. All three of them died in 1977,” Ms Reid said, adding that the deaths had left her with lifelong questions.
When she later reconnected with her biological father, Mr Blum, she told him of other distressing events in her childhood.
He responded by detailing a way to kill someone with homemade poison without leaving a trace, she said.

“He disclosed a method to me and it’s like a tattoo – I’m scarred with it for all my life,” she said.
“What he said is that as his daughter, I should learn the things that he knows how to do.
“He was sharing with me all sorts of stories – when he was growing up, what they used to do to people in the village when they did wrong things to a girl, they’d bury the guy alive with hungry cats.
“He was just constantly talking about sort of killing people.”
She became so scared of her biological father that when he gave her a bottle of Bollinger, she took it to Prahran police station.
“I said ‘I think someone’s trying to poison me’. I got the whole sort of ‘You poor crazy girl’,” she said.
Mr Blum, 83, who was jailed in France for fraud, is known to have used 50 aliases.
His testimony that he and his daughter had never spoken was “just not true”, Ms Reid said.
“I tracked him down through the Belgium consulate under the name Frederick De Hedervary. He’s on my birth certificate as Willy Wouters.”
 

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The pressure is really building on Mr Blum/etc etc and his immediate family. I am hoping they are all under police surveillance 24/7 .
 
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Fasinating looking back on old threads..... ;)

Ilona Kinczel Documentation entering Australia stated she had a brother

The brother, IK mother and IK all die 1977.....

Everyday there is more and more coming to light.




This isnt a one man show:mad:
 

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The pressure is really building on Mr Blum/etc etc and his immediate family. I am hoping they are all under police surveillance 24/7 .
They are a family of crooks. If the children and wife are complicit, which it seems they are.
 
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i really can’t imagine how Miss Reid must have felt while both then and now learning what a creep her bio father is and was. I really feel for her.
There’s no mention of her brother in the article. Can anyone help me remember: is he her full or halfbrother?

Would she have met her half siblings while trying to connect with the creep? I secretly hope so & hope now she talked, they will start talking. But i’m afraid they won’t, because of what they could lose (money, real estate,…)
 
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