Australia Australia - Marion Barter - Missing After Trip to UK - June 1997 #17

[TootsieFootsie]

Go Monique!!

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

Told her:
- Had killed with his own hands
- Secret agent working for British Embassy
- She knew him as Frederick de Hedevary (Fred)

Comments:
- Storyteller
- Master manipulator, capable of anything
- Only interested in money - one aim only, money money money
- Makes women depend on him until they can't think for themselves
- Cannot say more at Inquest as has nothing more to say but she has told police everything
- Don't touch him, you will burn your hands
- He should be in prison for the rest of his life
- Even when he's buried, he'll be manipulating his way back out
- When he opens his mouth, he lies
- He will tell you thousands of reasons why he has become like this but none of it is true
- The Coroner must stay strong and not believe him
- He will even cry to manipulate, he's talented at acting to manipulate
- Can speak like an angel - very talented at manipulation but is profoundly bad
- Stole her ex-husbands identity, stole his identity card
- She is certain of what she says and sees it clearly now, is disgusted
- She hasn't got concrete evidence but is sure of how bad he is
- Don't let him out of prison, he is very capable of killing, she feels it
- It has helped her psychologically to tell the police everything, so she has peace and freedom
- If anything happens to her, it will be RB who did it!
- She wants him off the surface of this world as he's a danger as long as he breathes.

 

[Ambercassy]

Studying criminology and true crime is everything, I will be coming back everyday to see who has found guilty etc

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Studying criminology and true crime is everything, I will be coming back everyday to see who has found guilty etc

No one has been charged with anything...yet

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Ooh Blum can't leave the country because "he wouldn't be able to get back in" !!

That sounds like he may have lost his Australian citizenship.
Had a short break from the podcast, about to listen to the rest.

 

[CuriousKat99]

Told her:
- Had killed with his own hands
- Secret agent working for British Embassy
- She knew him as Frederick de Hedevary (Fred)

Comments:
- Storyteller
- Master manipulator, capable of anything
- Only interested in money - one aim only, money money money
- Makes women depend on him until they can't think for themselves
- Cannot say more at Inquest as has nothing more to say but she has told police everything
- Don't touch him, you will burn your hands
- He should be in prison for the rest of his life
- Even when he's buried, he'll be manipulating his way back out
- When he opens his mouth, he lies
- He will tell you thousands of reasons why he has become like this but none of it is true
- The Coroner must stay strong and not believe him
- He will even cry to manipulate, he's talented at acting to manipulate
- Can speak like an angel - very talented at manipulation but is profoundly bad
- Stole her ex-husbands identity, stole his identity card
- She is certain of what she says and sees it clearly now, is disgusted
- She hasn't got concrete evidence but is sure of how bad he is
- Don't let him out of prison, he is very capable of killing, she feels it
- It has helped her psychologically to tell the police everything, so she has peace and freedom
- If anything happens to her, it will be RB who did it!
- She wants him off the surface of this world as he's a danger as long as he breathes.

Textbook coercive control

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Ooh Blum can't leave the country because "he wouldn't be able to get back in" !!

That was a bit misleading.
In the podcast it was all just speculation of what could happen if his citizenship was taken away.
Somehow he could still stay but if he left Australia he wouldn't be able to return.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

That was a bit misleading.
In the podcast it was all just speculation of what could happen if his citizenship was taken away.
Somehow he could still stay but if he left Australia he wouldn't be able to return.

They didn't say he had lost his citizenship. They just quoted the figures of how many people had ever lost their citizenship in the last several decades (did they say since 1948?) and on what grounds.

To me it sounded like a pitifully low number (in double digits not the hundreds or even thousands) and therefore sounds like a rare and unusual event.

It was explained that once a person loses their citizenship they become an 'ex-citizen' and may still reside but if leaving the country cannot return back in.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

They didn't say he had lost his citizenship. They just quoted the figures of how many people had ever lost their citizenship in the last several decades (did they say since 1948?) and on what grounds.

They explained all the above at the end.

It was earlier in the podcast AS said that "Blum wouldn't leave the country because he wouldn't be able to get back in" and that they would talk about that later. Those were the words.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

I imagine it would have crossed his mind that his citizenship might be revoked if he did leave the country.

 

[ruby925]

Today's podcast mentioned IK going to Australia to get away from RB, and that she already met someone else on the ship. I don't know if this account is directly from her daughter, or whether this comes from IK's 2nd husband. For me, it doesn't really add up as although they travelled to Aus separately (quite usual for RB), I thought they both stayed at the address of IK's friend on arrival? I guess daughter's birth date will help to clarify, but apart from RB's account (lies?), does this stack up? Daughter stated IK was in love with RB (at least to begin with) and they did marry. All MOO obvs

 

[Lord Peter Flimsy]

So is MC saying she asked her separated and divorced ex-husband FR to contact her lover Aka after giving Aka’s address to her ex in order for her ex to check him over from a psychological point of view and at that meeting Aka stole FRs identity card?

This story seems bizarre to me but perhaps it’s lost something in translation?

 

[Justyce]

Thanks Justyce. MdeH would have been aged 15/16 at the time of Marion. I wonder if pupils (and parents) at the time remember the family moving to Wollongbar in 1997? Perhaps visited them there or picked MdeH up or dropped her off? Saw the Mitsubishi Magna? Did MdeH ever drive it?

I do remember the Magna but I have a feeling when I heard the dates it was owned that she may not have had her licence at that point. I think the brother drove it but I definitely remember it.

 

[Justyce]

Wow!!! Please be careful to keep your identity safe on here as this is a site that can be read by the public and I'm sure we wouldn't want your personal safety to be at any risk by them crooks finding out anything about you. You're our 'eyes' in the hood amazing!!

Our grade was very large so I could be one of hundreds commenting. I am aware of a few more connections but obviously going to keep some info quiet online. Some information we have passed on the TLV page.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

So is MC saying she asked her separated and divorced ex-husband FR to contact her lover Aka after giving Aka’s address to her ex in order for her ex to check him over from a psychological point of view and at that meeting Aka stole FRs identity card?

This story seems bizarre to me but perhaps it’s lost something in translation?

IMO definitely got confused and lost there... she said she asked her husband (did she mean FR or a second husband?) who knew about psychology to go and speak with 'him' as she had started to not believe the things he said. If she had a next husband after FR then that is also confusing as did she mean go speak to FR or go speak to RB?

 

[KiwiNZ]

Today's podcast mentioned IK going to Australia to get away from RB, and that she already met someone else on the ship. I don't know if this account is directly from her daughter, or whether this comes from IK's 2nd husband. For me, it doesn't really add up as although they travelled to Aus separately (quite usual for RB), I thought they both stayed at the address of IK's friend on arrival? I guess daughter's birth date will help to clarify, but apart from RB's account (lies?), does this stack up? Daughter stated IK was in love with RB (at least to begin with) and they did marry. All MOO obvs

wonder if the ever talked to IK's friend she stayed with, I located a person whom may have been that friend on facebook - obviously didn't contact them or anything but looked to a good fit.

 

[CuriousKat99]

They explained all the above at the end.

It was earlier in the podcast AS said that "Blum wouldn't leave the country because he wouldn't be able to get back in" and that they would talk about that later. Those were the words.

I think we have to wait for the next episode that will be released later this month to find out

 

[gymtonic]

Not relating to the latest MC TLV podcast revelations or anything, but something else that piqued my interest in the news today and that I will be watching for any connection A former bikie walked into a government-owned mint to buy gold. It didn't ask any questions

I am thinking particularly of the questions over the time that RB arrived in Australia via Perth declaring a very large amount of cash (which was subsequently “stolen“ from him at Pacific Fair).

Note the statements relating to the notoriety of the Perth Mint in connection with money laundering and the statement about gold being the easiest way to launder money. Just a hunch and JMO.

 

[Brown Alleycat]

Same here.

I’ve seen this type of thing before where those closest to the perpetrator threaten the victim when confronted over the family members behaviour and crimes.

How about taking some responsibility and consider and question how his father’s actions may have affected others (an elderly women in this case for God sake) both psychologically and financially.

Of course if he has disengaged with his father the question then is, why? What does he know?

At least Aka’s son still has a life unlike Marion’s.

IMO both children have benefited from RB's ill gotten gains to maybe such a stage it makes them complicite. They seemed to have lived a quite comfortable life with money freely available for their sports and many trips associated with it that a lot of families can't afford. If they have been given funds to buy cars, houses etc., they won't want anyone to poke around their finances. I personally would be suspicious if my parents were on centerlink yet can afford all the trips to Europe, Bali and God knows where else.

 

[mishy66]

Today's podcast mentioned IK going to Australia to get away from RB, and that she already met someone else on the ship. I don't know if this account is directly from her daughter, or whether this comes from IK's 2nd husband. For me, it doesn't really add up as although they travelled to Aus separately (quite usual for RB), I thought they both stayed at the address of IK's friend on arrival? I guess daughter's birth date will help to clarify, but apart from RB's account (lies?), does this stack up? Daughter stated IK was in love with RB (at least to begin with) and they did marry. All MOO obvs

This account was from ER and IK aunt - it was in one of the newspapers.

".....when it comes to the relationship between her mother, Ilona Reid, and Mr Blum, she knows only what she has been told by family members.
Those stories are as astonishing as almost everything else that has been revealed about her father.
Ms Reid’s mother was from Hungary and migrated with her family to Belgium, where she formed a relationship with Mr Blum.
According to an aunt, her mother was wildly in love with Mr Blum, but a private investigator hired by her suspicious family “found out that he had other wives and other children”.
Ms Reid’s mother ignored her family’s warnings about Mr Blum, only to later discover for herself “how horrible he was”, the aunt said.
“The story … is that she fled Belgium to get away from him,” Ms Reid said.
“The story (the aunt) told me was of this crazy man in a Porsche on the Euro freeway where you can drive a million miles an hour, with a gun, trying to get to the boat before it sails off – and that that was him.
Not long after her mother arrived in Australia, so did Mr Blum. Her mother had met someone else on the ship....."


".......When Mr Blum first met IK he falsely represented being unmarried without children. She ( IK mother) got a private detective and she found out he had a wife and two kids...."


"........Ilona had married AKA in Belgium just days prior to leaving for a new life in Australia. IK actually requested to leave for Australia later because she was marrying AKA, so she postponed her trip ...."


".... IK then reunited with WW in LILLE in France and lived with him WITH THE BABY UNTIL just before HE WAS ARRESTED. (ONCE HE HAD RETURNED FROM AUSTRALIA AFTER HIS CRUISE ON THE CHUSAN WITH DIANE– 1971 )

(AKA arrived in Amsterdam about 14th May, 1971 and within five weeks, he was arrested in France)

This is the time IK reunites with him then leaves him again = then sometime between June 1971 and her arrival back into Aust she marries MJR in Budapest. ( WHATEVER THAT REASON IS we may never know) I would say to escape from the Monster and change her name to head back in Aust where she felt safest and had family here to support her.

BUT HE STILL MANAGED TO FIND HER = IMO


ER was born January 1970.

IK = I have a family of Reid coming out on a ship to Aust 1973

IK = working at Beales by 1974


I will say that it would be VERY easy to falsify information on a death cert if you had all the "correct documentation".....