Australia Australia - Marion Barter - Missing After Trip to UK - June 1997 #17

[mishy66]

So WOW! Just WOW! ABC Four Corners “Tainted Gold”…Explosive report and so revealing. Perth Mint’s past failure to comply with money laundering laws and dodgy screening of EuroPacific Bank accounts employing techniques such as Omnibus accounts (as I understood it…whereby individual account names are lumped together thus potentially preventing screening of individuals with criminal, organised crime connections and/ or under sanctions). I don’t know…IMO if I were looking for missing money and money laundering through gold, I would be checking this out. Just sayin‘

UPDATE: Here’s a link to the transcript for those interested who are not in Oz and not able to watch on ABCiView Tainted Gold: Inside Perth Mint's billion-dollar scandal

well I find this interesting as it seems to tie in with something found in relation to Robert Coppenolle and Casinos with a relationship to the OC world of Wei Seng “Paul” Phua who was in Melbourne 2014 by personal invitation by CROWN CASINO and his connection to ROGER FIRTH - 1999 - while Paul Phua was never officially linked to this incident that caught ROGER FIRTH , (two Malaysian nationals and a stadium guard - ) were found guilty, PHUA is suspected to have funded the affair - Supposedly with the cash made, Phua funded his entry into the world of technology and online gambling.

Floodlights Affair

Floodlights scam to beat bookies

On the streets of Kuala Lumpur, Hong Kong and other Far Eastern cities the results of Premiership football matches are as eagerly awaited as anywhere in Britain among the army of fans.

www.theguardian.com

NOW WHY would this be linked to Robert Coppenolle.......?

 

[mishy66]

Reading over ER interview with the newspapers again. Such a sad story - this animal robbed so many children of their mothers This isn't just about a generation of women he swindled and hurt but also about the generation the same era as his AUST kids who are protecting him. The totality of that is heartbreaking.

SO SO BRAVE ER to stand up and speak about this monster. USING your voice to share what he has done to your mum and how he destroyed your childhood. We all support you!!!!!


I have to wonder how your upbringing would have been. Reading your words of loss of a family to love you - "if he knew how hellish my life was, he would come and rescue me from it" and “But that’s just what I thought he was trying to do after spending a young life feeling completely abandoned by anyone who was meant to show me love".

Made me wonder today if he could be so callous as to say he was in an orphanage when maybe ER was....?

NO IDEA! just thinking about what the animal is like.

 

[MrsEmmaPeel]

Agree @mishy66. I found the ER interview much more compelling and braver than the MC one. ER speaks up against her father which is so damning. No child should ever have to do that but thank God she does. Wonder what her half siblings might think listening to that. Imagine!

 

[Eyespywithmylittleeye]

I didn’t feel braveness from MC.. something does sit right.

Yes things get lost with translation from native tongue to English.

But I think they remained in contact longer than MC is implying because stuff doesn’t quite feel right.

May have only been flirty letters etc and maybe he was continuing correspondence and she was ignoring..

It’s just things weren’t backed up with info as to why he is sooo dangerous.

Yes the comment of bare hands but that could just be him being a tosser like always.. making out he’s a tough guy..

I want to know did he threaten her?
Why did he not attempt to swindle her?

She said.. ‘all he loves is money’ … how does she know that from her own experience not from what has come to light now..

I dunno.

Brave would be appearing in person at the inquest and facing him..

Unless there’s more to the story.

I dunno I’m flip flopping between was she screwed over too or did she assist in someway in the past with some dodgy stuff.

He was floored when the letter was pulled out.. he did not expect that at all.

Why?

I mean he has a track record.. why is MC different from the others???? And pls don’t say love.. he’s incapable of love as we know it.

 

[Lord Peter Flimsy]

I didn’t feel braveness from MC.. something does sit right.

Yes things get lost with translation from native tongue to English.

But I think they remained in contact longer than MC is implying because stuff doesn’t quite feel right.

May have only been flirty letters etc and maybe he was continuing correspondence and she was ignoring..

It’s just things weren’t backed up with info as to why he is sooo dangerous.

Yes the comment of bare hands but that could just be him being a tosser like always.. making out he’s a tough guy..

I want to know did he threaten her?
Why did he not attempt to swindle her?

She said.. ‘all he loves is money’ … how does she know that from her own experience not from what has come to light now..

I dunno.

Brave would be appearing in person at the inquest and facing him..

Unless there’s more to the story.

I dunno I’m flip flopping between was she screwed over too or did she assist in someway in the past with some dodgy stuff.

He was floored when the letter was pulled out.. he did not expect that at all.

Why?

I mean he has a track record.. why is MC different from the others???? And pls don’t say love.. he’s incapable of love as we know it.

That is a very good point about his obsession with money over everything else. Has MC been listening to the podcast or reading the newspaper/online articles and formed that opinion or does she have firsthand experience of his fraudulent behaviour? If so, she never told us what it is.

 

[KeenSleuth17]

I didn’t feel braveness from MC.. something does sit right.

Yes things get lost with translation from native tongue to English.

But I think they remained in contact longer than MC is implying because stuff doesn’t quite feel right.

May have only been flirty letters etc and maybe he was continuing correspondence and she was ignoring..

It’s just things weren’t backed up with info as to why he is sooo dangerous.

Yes the comment of bare hands but that could just be him being a tosser like always.. making out he’s a tough guy..

I want to know did he threaten her?
Why did he not attempt to swindle her?

She said.. ‘all he loves is money’ … how does she know that from her own experience not from what has come to light now..

I dunno.

Brave would be appearing in person at the inquest and facing him..

Unless there’s more to the story.

I dunno I’m flip flopping between was she screwed over too or did she assist in someway in the past with some dodgy stuff.

He was floored when the letter was pulled out.. he did not expect that at all.

Why?

I mean he has a track record.. why is MC different from the others???? And pls don’t say love.. he’s incapable of love as we know it.

I’m completely with you. There’s something so weird about MC. I can’t work out if it’s a language or cultural barrier but she seems so theatrical, so excessive, so sure… but little actual substance to why she’s saying and believing what she is.
The story & relationship is quite different with MC to the other females in this web. The MC/RB story doesn’t add up.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

I didn’t feel braveness from MC.. something does sit right.

Yes things get lost with translation from native tongue to English.

But I think they remained in contact longer than MC is implying because stuff doesn’t quite feel right.

May have only been flirty letters etc and maybe he was continuing correspondence and she was ignoring..

It’s just things weren’t backed up with info as to why he is sooo dangerous.

Yes the comment of bare hands but that could just be him being a tosser like always.. making out he’s a tough guy..

I want to know did he threaten her?
Why did he not attempt to swindle her?

She said.. ‘all he loves is money’ … how does she know that from her own experience not from what has come to light now..

I dunno.

Brave would be appearing in person at the inquest and facing him..

Unless there’s more to the story.

I dunno I’m flip flopping between was she screwed over too or did she assist in someway in the past with some dodgy stuff.

He was floored when the letter was pulled out.. he did not expect that at all.

Why?

I mean he has a track record.. why is MC different from the others???? And pls don’t say love.. he’s incapable of love as we know it.

IMO JMO MC is different from the others because

a) He didn't rob her (he swindled her ex husband);
b) She never let him 'control her mind' (as she says);
c) I believe they had a romantic and sexual and loving connection and MC and he were genuinely fond of one another in a way that he wasn't for any of his 'marks';
d) She came too close to the truth so he had to keep her sweet (whether she was aware or not);
e) She never did actually have anything to steal so he kept her sweet regardless;
f) Over time, she maybe perceived him keeping her sweet as 'unrequited romance' that spanned the decades;
g) She may have some feelings of slight guilt / shame / foolishness / complicitness altho it's not her fault;
h) It's fairly new and recent information to her, whereas the others were aware they'd been harmed and scammed years / decades ago - so it's been a shock to the system and it's all been really sinking in;
i) She's an elderly lady to have such a shock to the system in older life.

 

[Lurky_Lurks]

@Justyce Sorry I don’t know how to reply to you. Yep I know where their house is. Funnily enough I spoke to my uncle today and he knew who I was talking about. He knew him as “Dick” so I figure he met him a while ago, he’s been in Ballina all his life and in his late 70s now so bless his sweet heart

I’m not making fun on what my uncle said knowing him by “Dick”, my father was called the same but that wasn’t his actual name, so I mean no offence or jokes to anyone

 

[Lord Peter Flimsy]

Was MC actually separated/divorced from FR at the time the relationship with Aka started?

Wasn’t DdeH living in Luxembourg with Aka and their son and daughter (born in Luxembourg in 1981) whilst some of this was going on?

Did DdeH actually return to Australia with the children but without Aka because she knew of MC & Aka’s relationship, despite what DdeH said at the inquest?

She returns to Europe with the children when they start to live in France (for a short period) and then Burwash in the UK for 3 years?

Aka is in an awkward position. If he dares to incriminate anyone he will end up incriminating himself.

JMO

 

[CuriousKat99]

Was MC actually separated/divorced from FR at the time the relationship with Aka started?

Wasn’t DdeH living in Luxembourg with Aka and their son and daughter (born in Luxembourg in 1981) whilst some of this was going on?

Did DdeH actually return to Australia with the children but without Aka because she knew of MC & Aka’s relationship, despite what DdeH said at the inquest?

She returns to Europe with the children when they start to live in France (for a short period) and then Burwash in the UK for 3 years?

Aka is in an awkward position. If he dares to incriminate anyone he will end up incriminating himself.

JMO

Don’t forget that MC was of the generation where sexual relations outside of marriage, especially for females was socially unacceptable. I sensed that she felt intense shame, embarrassment and guilt over her relationship with him, she kept repeating that she didn’t know he was already married with children and that she broke of the relationship as soon as she found out. These strong emotions may have prevented her from revealing more helpful facts. At least she did provide his singing testicles letter to the authorities and whether or not his comments about using his hands to kill are true or not, the fact that he actually said that to her, in my opinion is an indirect threat of violence to her.

 

[CuriousKat99]

Agree. I wish there had been more concrete evidence from MC and less being proud she hadn't fallen prey to him. In the end, AKA has made MC's ex-husband's life very unpleasant by sullying his name internationally! The name Remakel will forever be tied to Marion and AKA. You would think MC and the real FR would want justice in that regard. Unless they prefer not to be 100% forthcoming for their own reasons.

Yes very true that MC kept on mentioning what a strong, independent mind she had and she believed that as the reason for her not becoming a victim. I’m pretty sure Marion & the others had strong minds too, but they also had plenty of cash and assets. IMO this amounts to victim blaming, ie the others fell victim because they were weak. However, MC was of the generation who would have held these kinds of attitudes which enabled swindlers like AKA to get away with their activities for such a long time without being held to account.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

I think it's only normal for some of his female victims to not want to reveal all of what happened.
There are probably some who don't want to come forward at all and I can understand that.

 

[CuriousKat99]

I think it's only normal for some of his female victims to not want to reveal all of what happened.
There are probably some who don't want to come forward at all and I can understand that.

100%, shame is a very powerful emotion that AKA used to his advantage to keep his victims from exposing him.

 

[VisitorDog]

I wonder whether she had an inkling at the point the crew first contacted her. She’s said she knew AKA wasn’t a good man and suggested he may have stolen FR’s ID. Then an Australian radio crew is looking for a FR in relation to a missing woman.

 

[MrsEmmaPeel]

I think it's only normal for some of his female victims to not want to reveal all of what happened.
There are probably some who don't want to come forward at all and I can understand that.

Absolutely. When Sally goes to visit JO, TLV mentions she would like to join the women together in some means of support, which I think is admirable and wise. As far as speaking up, I certainly don't advocate sharing all in a podcast or interview for everyone. But I believe that sharing what happened to someone safe is key to moving on with lack of shame. ( In my own life, after a childhood of sexual abuse, every therapist believed confronting my father would have been healing. I couldn't since he was dead. I'm not sure I would have been brave enough to do that.) As for MC, she was no different than the other women. I'm sure she had assets too, but clearly something about her WAS different. It might be helpful to investigators to try and ferret out what that difference was, if MC could detail her experience with AKA. But of course, she doesn't have to do that. I am grateful for MC speaking up at all, but that doesn't mean I can't wish for more .

 

[MrsEmmaPeel]

Was MC actually separated/divorced from FR at the time the relationship with Aka started?

Yes. She stumbles through this and it was hard to follow but she does say they were separated.

 

[Lord Peter Flimsy]

I wonder whether she had an inkling at the point the crew first contacted her. She’s said she knew AKA wasn’t a good man and suggested he may have stolen FR’s ID. Then an Australian radio crew is looking for a FR in relation to a missing woman.

She’s an intelligent lady and it’s hard to believe now that she didn’t put 2 and 2 together when the Podcast team initially contacted her.

 

[Lord Peter Flimsy]

Absolutely. When Sally goes to visit JO, TLV mentions she would like to join the women together in some means of support, which I think is admirable and wise. As far as speaking up, I certainly don't advocate sharing all in a podcast or interview for everyone. But I believe that sharing what happened to someone safe is key to moving on with lack of shame. ( In my own life, after a childhood of sexual abuse, every therapist believed confronting my father would have been healing. I couldn't since he was dead. I'm not sure I would have been brave enough to do that.) As for MC, she was no different than the other women. I'm sure she had assets too, but clearly something about her WAS different. It might be helpful to investigators to try and ferret out what that difference was, if MC could detail her experience with AKA. But of course, she doesn't have to do that. I am grateful for MC speaking up at all, but that doesn't mean I can't wish for more .

It’s good to know that according to MC that Luxembourg Police are involved in the case.

 

[VisitorDog]

She’s an intelligent lady and it’s hard to believe now that she didn’t put 2 and 2 together when the Podcast team initially contacted her.

I also wonder whether FR might have wondered and if the ID theft was reported to the police at the time.

 

[Lord Peter Flimsy]

MC says she read the story about Miss Warner before being corrected by AS that it’s Marion Barter. I know as you get older you can mix up or forget names. I do it myself. Just a little strange it was Marion’s as that who is the main part of this investigation.