Australia Australia - Marion Barter - Missing After Trip to UK - June 1997 #18

[TootsieFootsie]

Nieuw slachtoffer van Belgische meesteroplichter treedt naar voren: “Toen ik thuiskwam, was alles weg”

Haar gezegende leeftijd van 93 zal Andree Flamme niet tegenhouden. Binnenkort zal ze via videoverbinding in de Australische rechtszaal getuigen tegen de Belgische oplichter ‘Ric Blum’ – echte naam Willy Wouters. Die krijgt eind mei te horen of hij al dan niet vervolgd wordt voor de moord op een...

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Her blessed age of 93 will not stop Andree Flamme. Soon she will testify via video link in the Australian courtroom against the Belgian scammer 'Ric Blum' – real name Willy Wouters. He will be told at the end of May whether or not he will be prosecuted for the murder of an Australian teacher. After our publication in weekend supplement NU, Flamme is now also a third robbed compatriot. “Suddenly he was here.”

I translated with Google. The part above is all I can see. It looks like you can read more without a subscription by making an account.

I didn't continue on to make an account so I can't be certain if they do have free accounts or not.

 

[Lord Peter Flimsy]

After reading that article no wonder that AH thought he was untouchable in Australia.

 

[mishy66]

Nothing short of a Royal Commission into the incompetence of the judiciary after this case is over!

 

[Newby171]

Interesting story on the front podcast this morning

‎The Front: Ric Blum and Marion Barter were spotted together on Apple Podcasts

‎Show The Front, Ep Ric Blum and Marion Barter were spotted together - 23 Apr 2023

podcasts.apple.com

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Interesting story on the front podcast this morning

Thanks for this. Am about to listen.

The snippet says they were spotted together shortly before Marion vanished.

It's 12 minute audio.

The spotted together turned about to be about the man with Marion at a Gold Coast service station.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Police believe that convicted con man Ric Blum is the person seen in the car with Marion Barter in the weeks before her disappearance

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/marion-barter-seen-with-conman-ric-blum-before-vanishing/news-story/d5a286d061dbffafee25138dd196659e

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[TootsieFootsie]

On the trail of Marion Barter | Australian Women’s Weekly NZ - womens-interest - Read this story on Magzter.com

Read this exciting story from Australian Women’s Weekly NZ May 2023 issue. How the clues to Australia’s most mysterious missing persons case were untangled by a devoted daughter and a team of amateur sleuths.

www.magzter.com

It looks like you do need to buy the magazine to read the full story.



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[VisitorDog]

Bearing in mind we only know he exists due to Sally’s tenacity and the subsequent podcast and attention - and that the liklihood of all the women he has had ‘interactions’ with being known is very small - and that Marion permanently disappeared soon after - I’d say we know very little of what he might actually be ultimately capable of. Aside from Marion and Ilona who cannot speak for themselves… the few women that have been willing to come forward have really worrying accounts. Who knows who else may be out there.

 

[CuriousKat99]

Bearing in mind we only know he exists due to Sally’s tenacity and the subsequent podcast and attention - and that the liklihood of all the women he has had ‘interactions’ with being known is very small - and that Marion permanently disappeared soon after - I’d say we know very little of what he might actually be ultimately capable of. Aside from Marion and Ilona who cannot speak for themselves… the few women that have been willing to come forward have really worrying accounts. Who knows who else may be out there.

Exactly, he became a master at covering his tracks and would have learnt to take the utmost care to cover up any physical violence that would have brought him to the attention of authorities. His main strategy became psychological abuse and manipulation which he knew nobody in authority took any notice of, despite numerous reports from victim/survivors. He would have honed this strategy after many years practising his craft. As he got older, he got more skilled. His worst convictions on record were in his youth. This doesn’t mean that he wasn’t capable of physical violence, just that he probably only reserved it for exceptional circumstances, in order to evade being caught.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

This doesn’t mean that he wasn’t capable of physical violence, just that he probably only reserved it for exceptional circumstances, in order to evade being caught.

Maybe "when push comes to shove".


Perhaps Marion may have been the one who figured out what he was up to and had some tangible evidence on him and wasn't going to let him get away with it.

if/when push comes to shove

1. If something can be done if push comes to shove, it can be done if the…

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if/when push comes to shove​

If something can be done if push comes to shove, it can be done if the situation becomes so bad that you have to do it:​

 

[Lord Peter Flimsy]

If we take MCs comments on trust he was a “very dangerous man especially to a woman” based on “his character, his reactions” and “he is capable of anything, even killing”. This is his former sweetheart speaking here.

As the old proverb goes, dead men (women) tell no tales.

 

[HinterlandObserver]

If we take MCs comments on trust he was a “very dangerous man especially to a woman” based on “his character, his reactions” and “he is capable of anything, even killing”. This is his former sweetheart speaking here.

As the old proverb goes, dead men (women) tell no tales.

Pretty unique name MC also has. Funnily enough I couldn’t find many in Aus. But there’s one.
Wonder if her name had been used for nefarious purposes?

 

[HinterlandObserver]

From MPMB Facebook page:

I would like to let you know that another Australian woman has recently spoken with me who has detailed a negative interaction many years ago. This is as a result of David Murray's work at The Australian newspaper & personal connections we have. More to come.

If anyone is reading this & knows something about the disappearance of Marion, now is the time to speak up. Many have now come before you & will be there to support you. You are not alone.

Thank you, Joni

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

Bearing in mind we only know he exists due to Sally’s tenacity and the subsequent podcast and attention - and that the liklihood of all the women he has had ‘interactions’ with being known is very small - and that Marion permanently disappeared soon after - I’d say we know very little of what he might actually be ultimately capable of. Aside from Marion and Ilona who cannot speak for themselves… the few women that have been willing to come forward have really worrying accounts. Who knows who else may be out there.

Tip of the iceberg IMO all of this.

Think about the other types of women that sick predators go for first - the vulnerable, elderly, disabled. Pregnant women, very young women, emotionally fragile women, those with alcohol or drug problems, desperate women, homeless women, disabled or impaired women, elderly housebound women, isolated or lonely women with no families or support networks, migrants, people who don't have good spoken English ... bet your life he's been fleecing these types who have no voice whatsoever the whole time too. All around the world.

That's my opinion anyway JMO MOO.

We're only hearing from the people who were well set up in life enough that they are (cautiously) able to speak up now.

 

[Mrs_Vee]

Thankyou @brjakj

 

[mishy66]

From MPMB Facebook page:

I would like to let you know that another Australian woman has recently spoken with me who has detailed a negative interaction many years ago. This is as a result of David Murray's work at The Australian newspaper & personal connections we have. More to come.

If anyone is reading this & knows something about the disappearance of Marion, now is the time to speak up. Many have now come before you & will be there to support you. You are not alone.

Thank you, Joni

Hopefully it will be the lady he told ER about.

 

[StillDiggin]

It has come to my attention that there is a FB account for Ric Blum, which we do not know is genuine but was being used in 2014. In 2014 a pic was put on of the cruise ship AIDAbella which strangely sounds like Florabella.

Facebook

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Looking at the history of the AIDAbella a German crew member disappeared from the ship in 2018 in suspicious curcumstances.

Crew Member Missing From AIDAbella

German newspapers are reporting that a crewmember, identified by his first name as "Mathias," disappeared from the AIDAbella cruise ship earlier this

www.cruiselawnews.com

Cruise Passengers Overboard

www.cruisejunkie.com

 

[Knitty]

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[VisitorDog]

It has come to my attention that there is a FB account for Ric Blum, which we do not know is genuine but was being used in 2014. In 2014 a pic was put on of the cruise ship AIDAbella which strangely sounds like Florabella.

Facebook

www.facebook.com

Looking at the history of the AIDAbella a German crew member disappeared from the ship in 2018 in suspicious curcumstances.

Crew Member Missing From AIDAbella

German newspapers are reporting that a crewmember, identified by his first name as "Mathias," disappeared from the AIDAbella cruise ship earlier this

www.cruiselawnews.com

Cruise Passengers Overboard

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Is it the Aidasol ship, vs the Aidabella? Interesting find!

 

[hoodunnit]

It has come to my attention that there is a FB account for Ric Blum, which we do not know is genuine but was being used in 2014. In 2014 a pic was put on of the cruise ship AIDAbella which strangely sounds like Florabella.

Facebook

www.facebook.com

Looking at the history of the AIDAbella a German crew member disappeared from the ship in 2018 in suspicious curcumstances.

Crew Member Missing From AIDAbella

German newspapers are reporting that a crewmember, identified by his first name as "Mathias," disappeared from the AIDAbella cruise ship earlier this

www.cruiselawnews.com

Cruise Passengers Overboard

www.cruisejunkie.com

The photo shows the AidaSOL, not AidaBELLA