Australia Australia - Marion Barter - Missing After Trip to UK - June 1997 #18

[mishy66]

Perhaps this is the accountant you refer to? In May 2022, @BonnieB wrote-
"He was investigated by Centrelink in 1994 when he registered Ballina Coin Investments and DeHedervary Family Trust, set up by Vernon Paul Ware (Accountant) 95 Tamar St Ballina"

Yes there is heaps on this time period here on the thread over the years

 

[mishy66]

Vernon Ware is still operating in the area

 

[mishy66]

@mishy66 In relation to your search of the de Hedervary name in the UK, I wonder if anyone eventually came forward following this article in the Burwash Village Magazine (April 2022)? [https://media..acny.uk]

I am unsure if anyone contacted SL with information after this was publicised.
My research is more based on the timeframe prior to 1973 and his use of the name deH

 

[riddlesandpuzzles77]

Yes there is heaps on this time period here on the thread over the years

Thanks so much, I’m gonna go through and much appreciated with direction to where to look.
Always followed the thread and again, really like the authentic research done in this thread.... amazing!

I share Marion’s story all the time and live only a few hours south from Ballina now..... always passing on in the hope one day someone may remember something here on the mid and north coast of nsw,
Again thanks..... I’m off to look at the coin and accountant activities

 

[*juniper*]

Ahole was posing as Fernand Remakel when he met Marion in 1997 and this led to her changing her name to Florabella Natalia Marion Remakel.

WHY?

So far this is the ONLY woman he made change her name. And the name change linked the real FR = FNMR.

The real Fernand Nicolas Marie Ernest Remakel, also had a sister named Marianne as @Lord Peter Flimsy has pointed out previously.

For some reason this name was important in a bigger exercise. One that I believe at the time involved MC and AH.

JMO

Like you @mishy66 I keep coming back to the name change. Why?

Marion is the only woman who changed her name. And the only woman to disappear, as far as we know.
But also, she was the longest scam, from when she met AKA until the final bank withdrawal (Feb - Oct 1997).
Marion was not recently single - she was self-reliant and used to managing her own money.
And she was escaping a toxic work situation rather than looking for someone to take care of her.

I keep coming back to - did AKA choose the FNMR name for Marion because he had already stolen this identity and had documents to support it? So if necessary he would have been able to pretend to open a new bank account for Marion overseas, but in reality it would have been under his own FNR identity, so he would have easy access to her money in the future.

Interesting timing of the name change, which was completed just before Marion finalised the sale of her house and moved in with her friend LLD. (Really bad timing for Marion to have to deal with the paperwork of a name change and new passport while she was packing up her house. Why not wait a week or so until when she would have more time?)

I am not saying that AKA did open up an FN(M)R account, but maybe Marion's name change made this option available to him if necessary? JMO

 

[Mrs_Vee]

SL did verify it was MB handwriting on the card.

AKA admitted he filled in passenger cards to save time.

SL has never said MB did arrive back in Australia.

She has only ever verified it was her mums handwriting.

I have been back and forth over this fence too. It is really difficult to make any conclusions based on what has been revealed so far.

IMO 'they' arent about to reveal information that could be presented at a trial if it goes this way.

IMO while they have said today that "he was born Willy Coppenolle" and that 'his father" died in the 40's and "step father" died in the 80's, that means jack s.

IMO there are too many layers to warrant this is all one and the same person back in the days of Renov Pubs.

IMO he was placed in this family, this isnt his real family.

Just a thought… would it have been possible to have the departure card pre-filled & then used by someone posing as MB?

 

[mishy66]

Just a thought… would it have been possible to have the departure card pre-filled & then used by someone posing as MB?

That had already been noted at the inquest

 

[Lord Peter Flimsy]

1st day of Aka being questioned at the inquest

AC - When you were born what was the name given to you?

Aka - Don’t really know

That’s a very strange way to start an answer over something that really should be quite obvious 83 years into your life.

This is a man obsessed with names. Surely he would want to know what his actual name was or questioned those who would know?

By the way do we think Aka speaks Hungarian?

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Mr AKA has been used to keeping people bamboozled all his life I think.

He's had a lifetime of honing his craft (iness)

 

[gwebb9]

I have been relistening to the inquest, over and over for awhile now. I pick up more and more as I listen again, and read through this site. I am preparing myself for when the inquest resumes at the end of this month so I am knowledgeable as I listen. It is rare that when an inquest is preparing for a final finding from the coroner, to suddenly extend the inquest again!

Can I say that I am as excited to hear what this new chapter of the inquest brings, as a man with a song in his testicles.

Corny, I know, but I couldn't resist.

 

[Martinie]

I have been relistening to the inquest, over and over for awhile now. I pick up more and more as I listen again, and read through this site. I am preparing myself for when the inquest resumes at the end of this month so I am knowledgeable as I listen. It is rare that when an inquest is preparing for a final finding from the coroner, to suddenly extend the inquest again!

Can I say that I am as excited to hear what this new chapter of the inquest brings, as a man with a song in his testicles.

Corny, I know, but I couldn't resist.

I think it was extended after hearing from Blumhole and the blatant lies he was telling, since they knew the truth and answers to most of the questions and he was straight up lying and they probably felt they needed to investigate him more thorouly before handing down their findings. I strongly believe he harmed Marion, because I don't see her falling for his tricks that the other ladies did. I guess we will find out eventually.

 

[gwebb9]

I think it was extended after hearing from Blumhole and the blatant lies he was telling, since they knew the truth and answers to most of the questions and he was straight up lying and they probably felt they needed to investigate him more thorouly before handing down their findings. I strongly believe he harmed Marion, because I don't see her falling for his tricks that the other ladies did. I guess we will find out eventually.

I hope so.... this man needs to be held accountable. And SL deserves to know what happened too.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

I think it was extended when more unknown at the time victims spoke out about their experiences with him.

 

[VisitorDog]

I think it’s possible Marion drove her name change and that it possibly wasn’t a good thing for the man in question (it’s certainly not been long term!)

I can see someone swept up in ‘new life’ romance wanting to have the same name as her future husband for traveling purposes as difficult to do so passport wise once you need it for your whirlwind trip. The wedding would be a future promise which fits in with the other women’s stories. I think it might be one of the outliers that resulted in a different outcome for Marion.

The names chosen also fit in with the wild romance and chance to be a different person temporarily.

 

[VisitorDog]

Having her own name in there means that later on she can share her romance with her family and be Marion Remakel too.

 

[insanity]

I think it’s possible Marion drove her name change and that it possibly wasn’t a good thing for the man in question (it’s certainly not been long term!)

I can see someone swept up in ‘new life’ romance wanting to have the same name as her future husband for traveling purposes as difficult to do so passport wise once you need it for your whirlwind trip. The wedding would be a future promise which fits in with the other women’s stories. I think it might be one of the outliers that resulted in a different outcome for Marion.

The names chosen also fit in with the wild romance and chance to be a different person temporarily.

I tend to agree.

Perhaps she surprised him with her new name and it didn't go down well...

 

[ruby925]

I think it’s possible Marion drove her name change and that it possibly wasn’t a good thing for the man in question (it’s certainly not been long term!)

I can see someone swept up in ‘new life’ romance wanting to have the same name as her future husband for traveling purposes as difficult to do so passport wise once you need it for your whirlwind trip. The wedding would be a future promise which fits in with the other women’s stories. I think it might be one of the outliers that resulted in a different outcome for Marion.

The names chosen also fit in with the wild romance and chance to be a different person temporarily.

I thought the name change was down to Marion and any RB plan was then foiled as MB's money was all still in the name of Barter. Would be interesting to know if RB used his FNR ID to open a bank account in Europe eg Belgium, if only for a short time to facilitate money transfer. Then Plan B more likely to be the safety deposit box in Australia, leaving not much of a trail.

 

[Lord Peter Flimsy]

I think it’s possible Marion drove her name change and that it possibly wasn’t a good thing for the man in question (it’s certainly not been long term!)

I can see someone swept up in ‘new life’ romance wanting to have the same name as her future husband for traveling purposes as difficult to do so passport wise once you need it for your whirlwind trip. The wedding would be a future promise which fits in with the other women’s stories. I think it might be one of the outliers that resulted in a different outcome for Marion.

The names chosen also fit in with the wild romance and chance to be a different person temporarily.

JMO but in my view Mr Deed Poll himself planned and organised the name change. The name was disposable to him as it had not, as far as we know, ever been used with any of his victims before and his arrogance probably led him to believe it would never be traced back to him. To be fair it wasn’t for decades.

 

[mishy66]

JMO but in my view Mr Deed Poll himself planned and organised the name change. The name was disposable to him as it had not, as far as we know, ever been used with any of his victims before and his arrogance probably led him to believe it would never be traced back to him. To be fair it wasn’t for decades.

I agree. The name and the link to Lux with MC's ex, along side him still corresponding to MC in the 90's, all lends itself to a well organised plan that was foiled when someone found the advert in the paper with him using the FR name decades later. That was his downfall. That name and his ego of a plan with his love of his life MC ( even if in his own delusional mind) , led to what we know today.

I still am bewildered that when approached by TLV team, MC offered NO information of anyone she knew as that name living in Australia.... It was the name of her ex husband and she knew AH lived in Australia and they were corresponding! . HELLO! 1 + 1 = 5 there. Did he see her in Lux when he made trips in the early 90's?

Then when some brave women came forward with their story, MC decides to finally speak out and say she was duped by a creep too. Maybe she was. But she certainly had him at checkmate. The letter produced and read to the world AFTER he had announced how much she meant to him, saw a complete turn around in his love for her, by declaring
“She’s lying about everything,” he said angrily. “She’s lying all along. She’s a liar. She’s lying, lying and lying.”

I am still wondering just WHO William and the team was that he went with and WHAT was the first shipment he sent ? .... " big toddlers are Kings in small puddles" and ..." Under a separate shipment I have mailed you your blue skirt"....

No. MC has much more to reveal IMO but it is now at a checkmate - neither will say what really went on as it will incriminate them both.

 

[MrsEmmaPeel]

I agree with you @mishy66. If you're looking for the impetus behind a name change, it more than likely has would be name-changing-fanatic. The average person doesn't even consider changing his or her name. For RB it's as regular as blowing his nose. -- I also agree with you regarding MC. Others have defended her and her right to silence. I prefer to celebrate the courage of witnesses who have come forward and risked everything to tell full stories of RB. IMO MC didn't speak up until she felt she had to to save face. I feel like Sandy soft-talked her, no real journalistic skill. I also can't believe that the real Remakel won't speak up. I sure would if a fraudster used my name!