Australia Australia - Marion Barter - Missing After Trip to UK - June 1997 #19

[mishy66]

He undoubtedly read it online that Johnny Warren & Marion had come to the UK in the Autumn of 1968 and could build a false narrative around it.

At the time she was of course Marion Warren. He would have had some difficulty tracking her down again nearly 30 years later under another name even had this story been true. The answering of Marion’s supposed lonely hearts ad made his story appear even more ridiculous.

As we know his radar is only alerted when he knows a woman is divorced or widowed.

JMO but I still believe the first meeting was at the Arts Centre where he possibly spotted her having a coffee on her own. I doubt it takes him long to get round to the subject of marital status and property owning.

Always on the same page.
Totally !

 

[Estelle]

Someone refresh my memory please - were the allegations against Marion at TSS (alluded to by MrPickles above) re child abuse? What was the timeline (if any) regarding these? Pre or post meeting RB?

Is it possible someone was blackmailing/manipulating Marion and driving her into a vulnerable state in which she could be more easily taken advantage of? That RB himself made anonymous tips to the school to undermine Marion, to destroy the foundation of her life (which is clearly her work) encourage her to up and leave to UK?

Sorry if this has been discussed before.

Yes I have always suspected that RB made these allegations against MB.

 

[mishy66]

OMG! spotlight on channel 7 this Sunday - link to another murder revealed! View attachment 428760

So wonderful!
Evelyn one of the bravest people in this whole charade.

 

[Estelle]

I’ve always wondered why he made up the rubbish story of Lucerne in 68. Perhaps it was only to paint a false impression that MB was loose and available anytime. Where a con man usually comes undone is in telling bits of the truth within a lie. Hence why the stolen wallet has always been intriguing to me. Likely coincidental - maybe not if there’s another woman close to the family involved.

Highly possible MB never returned. Passenger cards - outgoing and incoming are easy to acquire pre flight and during a flight. Someone being a world traveler could easily talk another into pre filling them out. But it means we have an unknown someone else involved to take MB’s flight who is not DdeH. I just have the sense he’s too greedy to share his payday. Not out of the question though.

One theory of mine has been that DdeH flew over for a quick visit and it was she who returned as MB. Their son was not living at home then and their daughter was just 16yo I think. She could have been at a swimming camp or staying with a friend's family at the time. So DdeH flies to Amsterdam using a fake passport which RB organised, a day or two before RB himself flew home. He gives her MB's passport with photo changed and passenger cards already filled out, RB flies home and DdeH flies home two days later posing as MB.

 

[brjakj]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1668894474985152512

 

[Lord Peter Flimsy]

So wonderful!
Evelyn one of the bravest people in this whole charade.

I do so hope this is a game changer as they’ve big’d up the case a number of times only for me to feel deflated afterwards. The cogs are moving so painfully slowly it really does need media intervention to speed it up again.

 

[MrPickles]

Yes this interests me too @Lord Peter Flimsy
When the channel 7 news posted a short advert stating a bombshell drop prior to the last inquest, it showed a snippet of a younger looking female silhouette and because it was reporting on the upcoming inquest, it looked to be connected to that.
Then as we saw the inquest finished up fairly early, not long after AH shot himself in the foot by declaring Marion wanted nothing to do with her family. Right there, IMO is the rope they needed.

So it wouldn't surprise me that we see this younger looking female that 7 portrayed in the advert, now on this Sunday Spotlight.

Cant image it will be MdeH

But whoever it is, it's going to be great because it will reach a much larger audience, many of whom have never heard of the case.

I can hear a very slight accent with whoever is speaking on camera.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

It's like we get our hopes up only to think "well that was a big fat nothing"

I suppose the hype has to be there to get people listening, or reading.

 

[mishy66]

I can hear a very slight accent with whoever is speaking on camera.

Yes probs 2 or 3 people

Evelyn, Monique and the investigation into one of his previous wifes death Nicole hopefully.

Who knows

 

[MrPickles]

Yes probs 2 or 3 people

Evelyn, Monique and the investigation into one of his previous wifes death Nicole hopefully.

Who knows

Evelyn is the Aussie accent on camera. Monique has a very strong accent. I sense we have someone completely new and unheard of. I hope so.

 

[MrsWattle]

Ohhh yessss! Ohhhhhhh YYEEEESSSSS!
These brave women!
Now surely his other wives and kids can step forward. They hold the secrets too.

 

[mishy66]

Ohhh yessss! Ohhhhhhh YYEEEESSSSS!
These brave women!
Now surely his other wives and kids can step forward. They hold the secrets too.

Absolutely Mrs Wattle

Regardless of who is on, Evelyn is finally speaking for her mum. So brave. Without her standing up and sharing so much of what she has already, her own mums story would not have been heard.
And if someone else has stepped forward then all the better!

I just wont be holding my breath for the deH family to be coming forward!

 

[MrPickles]

Wasn’t there a small divulgence on MPMB some time ago that an unknown person had made a claim for IK’s life insurance? I’m pretty sure I’m not dreaming this..

 

[KinseyFan]

In the UK it’s just the person who reports the death. They don’t need to be the person witnessing the death.

I won’t go into detail but the informant to one of my elderly relatives deaths encouraged him to move from his home of many years to live with her in her hotel, away from his family. 15 years later when researching this I discovered (after finding her name on the death certificate) she had fleeced him and bought a big house and had a wedding in the months following his death. She was 50 years younger than him. The Police weren’t interested due to the time lapse.

OMG. This is awful.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Re the neighbour in Burwash, that's not news that's just come out.
It's been known about for quite awhile now.

 

[CuriousKat99]

Re the neighbour in Burwash, that's not news that's just come out.
It's been known about for quite awhile now.

Is this the same neighbour or another neighbour? The information sounded slightly different, a new example of AK’s financial abuse? Him threatening to take the children was common to both stories though.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Is this the same neighbour or another neighbour? The information sounded slightly different, a new example of AK’s financial abuse? Him threatening to take the children was common to both stories though.

It sounded like exactly the same one. Right down to the postcard from Tasmania.

 

[Lord Peter Flimsy]

New episode dropped

Aftermath

Podcast Episode · The Lady Vanishes · 14/06/2023 · 1h 9m

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[Lord Peter Flimsy]

Bryan mentioning Websleuths. Was he talking in general or about this online forum?

 

[Bibno]

Bryan mentioning Websleuths. Was he talking in general or about this online forum?

In general, I think — I’ve heard them refer to all of Sally’s helpers/researchers (Joni, Christina (?sp) as ‘websleuths’