Australia Australia - Marion Barter - Missing After Trip to UK - June 1997 #19

[Lord Peter Flimsy]

He may have been trying to steal from the real Mr Remakel by setting up bank account with the same name. Using Marion for more bank fraud.

He had already stolen FRs ID according to that strange story recounted by MC when she apparently asked her ex husband to meet him. I wonder if FR was impressed about losing his ID card, and if MC knew AKA had stolen it why didn’t she (or FR) confront AKA or inform the Police?

Shame she presumably refused to be interviewed at the inquest as she plays an important role in this story and perhaps she could have enlightened us more as to why AKA was such ‘dangerous man’ ‘especially to women’

She could have been interviewed by video but perhaps she has her reasons she is trying to distance herself and her affair from an already convicted criminal.

 

[Lord Peter Flimsy]

AKA probably had the Remakel name tucked away in his bag of aliases for use at the right time. He chose Marion but unfortunately for him he forgot the ad he placed 3 years earlier or assumed that nobody would find such a small ad in such an obscure and niche newspaper in Australia years later. Sadly for him the Internet was about to expose him much later on.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

He had already stolen FRs ID according to that strange story recounted by MC when she apparently asked her ex husband to meet him. I wonder if FR was impressed about losing his ID card, and if MC knew AKA had stolen it why didn’t she (or FR) confront AKA or inform the Police?

Shame she presumably refused to be interviewed at the inquest as she plays an important role in this story and perhaps she could have enlightened us more as to why AKA was such ‘dangerous man’ ‘especially to women’

She could have been interviewed by video but perhaps she has her reasons she is trying to distance herself and her affair from an already convicted criminal.

It sounded like she didn't want the stress and to have to endure ongoing legal proceedings. Maybe she's been a witness in court proceedings before and knows just exactly how long and convoluted it can all get. She just wanted to end the experience in her own mind.

I was heartened to hear her say in one of the podcasts that she'd written down every single thing she could think of about him in emails to the police. JMO

 

[Lord Peter Flimsy]

It sounded like she didn't want the stress and to have to endure ongoing legal proceedings. Maybe she's been a witness in court proceedings before and knows just exactly how long and convoluted it can all get. She just wanted to end the experience in her own mind.

I was heartened to hear her say in one of the podcasts that she'd written down every single thing she could think of about him in emails to the police. JMO

Possibly but you would think out of some form of duty to the sisterhood and to those poor women he fleeced and God knows what else she might have allowed herself to be questioned at the Inquest. If nothing more it would have made AKA even more uncomfortable having to play act his stutter in front of this former actress.

IMHO there is a bit more to her reluctance.

 

[mishy66]

He may have been trying to steal from the real Mr Remakel by setting up bank account with the same name. Using Marion for more bank fraud.

Agree

 

[mishy66]

That's what I think - or he already had documents of the real FNR (male) so having yet more, most especially a passport would mean he could open bank accounts or suchlike. JMO

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Her passport would have her photo and her name.
He didnt need the passport. He had everything he needed to set up an overseas account.
And he had everything he needed back in Australia with all her old documents still in the MB identity, Her old passport and all her other documents

IMO

 

[mishy66]

He had already stolen FRs ID according to that strange story recounted by MC when she apparently asked her ex husband to meet him. I wonder if FR was impressed about losing his ID card, and if MC knew AKA had stolen it why didn’t she (or FR) confront AKA or inform the Police?

Shame she presumably refused to be interviewed at the inquest as she plays an important role in this story and perhaps she could have enlightened us more as to why AKA was such ‘dangerous man’ ‘especially to women’

She could have been interviewed by video but perhaps she has her reasons she is trying to distance herself and her affair from an already convicted criminal.

100% agree

 

[mishy66]

Possibly but you would think out of some form of duty to the sisterhood and to those poor women he fleeced and God knows what else she might have allowed herself to be questioned at the Inquest. If nothing more it would have made AKA even more uncomfortable having to play act his stutter in front of this former actress.

IMHO there is a bit more to her reluctance.

Absolutely

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

?
Her passport would have her photo and her name.
He didnt need the passport. He had everything he needed to set up an overseas account.
And he had everything he needed back in Australia with all her old documents still in the MB identity, Her old passport and all her other documents

I meant accounts in the name of FNR or FNMR - or maybe even just travel documents in a male and female FNR & FNMR for himself and his missus? Or some convoluted plan that would continue far and beyond defunding Marion.

 

[mishy66]

Yes, I think it’s why they both came back. And I don’t think it was a “hard sell”. I think he expected her to be able to go into a bank and withdraw the money. When that didn’t work, she would have had to return to withdraw the money anyway. Might have even initially made it easier to convince her to withdraw the cash. “We’ll just declare it! What if we get back to Europe and we encounter similar problems? Much easier to just take the cash.” Or hell he could have convinced her that he’s never had an issue accessing his accounts from abroad. “We’re going to be married anyway, I’ll just deposit into my own account!”

She didnt need to come back to do all that because he would have had all her old, and her new documents anyway, just like he did to all the other victims, " looking after their documents because he would be very mad" if they were to lose them....as he said to one of his victims

IMO

 

[HinterlandObserver]

According to my memory, Marion had already had experience with changing her name by deed poll, when she changed her name to Barter, prior to actually getting married.

Wonder if she’d mentioned this to him at some point and he took the opportunity to use her for another ID - another go at FNR honeypot?
Maybe that’s why Marion’s case is different to the usual scam experienced by the others?

 

[HinterlandObserver]

It sounded like she didn't want the stress and to have to endure ongoing legal proceedings. Maybe she's been a witness in court proceedings before and knows just exactly how long and convoluted it can all get. She just wanted to end the experience in her own mind.

I was heartened to hear her say in one of the podcasts that she'd written down every single thing she could think of about him in emails to the police. JMO

Maybe he needed an alias for her to pull a scam off? They do seem to have a strange relationship and it may go deeper than we imagined?
She has been cagey, despite all her “help”.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

Maybe he needed an alias for her to pull a scam off? They do seem to have a strange relationship and it may go deeper than we imagined?
She has been cagey, despite all her “help”.

I agree something's not right. Maybe she's done something she feels guilt / shame for or there's an element of blackmail involved somewhere or suchlike.

 

[Lord Peter Flimsy]

MC from what we know is one woman who wasn’t fleeced or taken advantage of by AKA. This is unusual for AKA who appears to have an exceedingly low opinion of women.

He may well have let his guard down a little with MC during their more intimate moments and conversations. I’ve no doubt he lied to her and embellished his stories including working for the British Secret Service.

She kept the letter and allowed that to be used at the Inquest much to his embarrassment. Was it a warning shot as I assume she has held onto all his correspondence of which we don’t know the contents and I would suggest neither do NSW Police.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

MC from what we know is one woman who wasn’t fleeced or taken advantage of by AKA. This is unusual for AKA who appears to have an exceedingly low opinion of women.

I suppose we don't know for sure if he fleeced her or not. Knowing him it's more than likely.
She seems to think that he at least lied to her.

 

[mishy66]

MC from what we know is one woman who wasn’t fleeced or taken advantage of by AKA. This is unusual for AKA who appears to have an exceedingly low opinion of women.

He may well have let his guard down a little with MC during their more intimate moments and conversations. I’ve no doubt he lied to her and embellished his stories including working for the British Secret Service.

She kept the letter and allowed that to be used at the Inquest much to his embarrassment. Was it a warning shot as I assume she has held onto all his correspondence of which we don’t know the contents and I would suggest neither do NSW Police.

Yep, I am still saying this is a stalemate with these two.
Neither one will ever reveal the full content of their union because there is far too much at stake for them both.

He seems to be living at her house for some reason while she was away and he has mailed her skirt and camera to her.

AND they were still corresponding 10 years AFTER their affair started.

Who is the William and his merry men she has introduced him too? And her friend Annette?

Yes I think "Eric" and his lover are at a stalemate.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

Yep, I am still saying this is a stalemate with these two.
Neither one will ever reveal the full content of their union because there is far too much at stake for them both.

He seems to be living at her house for some reason while she was away and he has mailed her skirt and camera to her.

AND they were still corresponding 10 years AFTER their affair started.

Who is the William and his merry men she has introduced him too? And her friend Annette?

Yes I think "Eric" and his lover are at a stalemate.

Maybe he genuinely just befriended her because she excited him he admired her. Since she had nothing much to steal, he kept her for the value he had assigned to her - friendship, sexual liaison, excitement, a foothold place to stay, a bolthole, an additional location to operate from, back up plan if it went to heck with his wife, come and go as he liked.

His scams were his work. His family also a form of work and responsibility. MC maybe was for fun and lighthearted times and not thinking of work or family. It might have been very genuine and playful. Even Narcissists and Sociopaths can be lighthearted and especially enjoy being entertained by interesting people.

The stalemate is IMO she's knows he's a dangerous and exploitative man, she's not going to lie to everyone and betray her fellow women who've been so severely abused or maybe even killed. But she's certainly not going to volunteer herself to make formal statements at this juncture.

She is very likely going to be legally obliged to answer to detectives enquiries and scrutiny at some point in the future. This isn't over by a long shot IMO. She may well know that. JMO

 

[centred]

She didnt need to come back to do all that because he would have had all her old, and her new documents anyway, just like he did to all the other victims, " looking after their documents because he would be very mad" if they were to lose them....as he said to one of his victims

IMO

I agree ! he had all and more, The timing of the aquired vehicle (prob with her cash) the safety deposit boxes opened and closed etc..I do not know if she came back or not ...I also do not know if she would create another identity and disappear ...chances are though he benefited in various ways from Marion.imo

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

It comes down to deciding between and evidencing two scenarios:

1) Marion came back and withdrew the money under instruction from RB who then 'disposed' of her;

2) RB 'disposed' of Marion in Europe, having sufficient documentation to drain her accounts by using a female impersonator.

There are arguments for and against both.

Option 1 is the 'easiest' as it involves fewer people and is less risky (theory of Occam's razor applies);

Option 2 opens up many more questions but is still viable.

The main question would be - who is the Marion impersonator that RB can implicitly trust. IMO there are only one or two answers to that question - his wife or a lover.

edit: also, obviously, where the heck was Marion last located in Europe / the UK?

JMO MOO

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

Maybe he needed an alias for her to pull a scam off? They do seem to have a strange relationship and it may go deeper than we imagined?
She has been cagey, despite all her “help”.

I personally believe he was on a long con aimed at padding out the FNR identity.

Marion was brought into that by default that he was using the FNR identity to scam her.
Incidental to her own experience he was also gathering more documents to prop up the FNR persona but he was targeting her primarily for her funds, we know that as he did it to so many others.

Maybe creating a Mr & Mrs FNR invisible couple or expanding the non existent FNR identity outward or even for reasons of hoping to exploit the real FNR further?