Australia Australia - Marion Barter - Missing After Trip to UK - June 1997 #19

[KinseyFan]

Good point but wouldn’t he have been too tall? I think height is noted in passport? Also eyes… not sure what colour they both had?

Just checked - no height on my passport. I wouldn’t put it past him to swap photos/ get a false passport and fake coloured contact lenses. What a creep.

 

[KinseyFan]

I've said this a few times before but the legal process cogs grind very slowly.

In law, depriving someone of their freedoms and liberty, restricting their agency or movement, is the most serious thing that can happen to any human being. Getting it wrong, or applying it without the correct lawful due process becomes framed as human rights violations and injustices.

Ok, makes sense. If only they had have taken Sally seriously back then. Or at least done their jobs properly. Surely they can at least get Centrelink to act asap? Maybe they have.

 

[Lord Peter Flimsy]

Spare a thought for all the extremely vulnerable people sharing the residential respite accomodation with him. Sure hope the staff have listened to the podcast.

I would play it in the background at the Residential Home. Every single episode!

 

[Lord Peter Flimsy]

‘Charlotte’ believes he deposited the cash she gave to him into a Dutch bank account before they flew to Bali.

We know that AKA likes to travel in and out of The Netherlands including when he had JO with him. Marion keeps mentioning Amsterdam in her postcards etc.

I don’t know how much publicity there has been surrounding AKA in Dutch media but could this be where much of the money was filtered through under a possible Dutch alias or business?

Was Marion’s final withdrawal by overseas transfer to a Dutch account? How long after the 15 Oct 97 was AKA’s next trip to Europe? Was it via Amsterdam?

We also have the Dutch dentist on Marion’s postcard but I’m assuming rightly or wrongly that they are unconnected to the case.

JMO and all that.

 

[Kie22]

‘Charlotte’ believes he deposited the cash she gave to him into a Dutch bank account before they flew to Bali.

We know that AKA likes to travel in and out of The Netherlands including when he had JO with him. Marion keeps mentioning Amsterdam in her postcards etc.

I don’t know how much publicity there has been surrounding AKA in Dutch media but could this be where much of the money was filtered through under a possible Dutch alias or business?

Was Marion’s final withdrawal by overseas transfer to a Dutch account? How long after the 15 Oct 97 was AKA’s next trip to Europe? Was it via Amsterdam?

We also have the Dutch dentist on Marion’s postcard but I’m assuming rightly or wrongly that they are unconnected to the case.

JMO and all that.

Renov Pubs? Did any more info come to light about that?

 

[MrPickles]

In regards to the postcard where MB mentions the price of purchasing a school in the UK. Do we know if the postcard was in the brief of evidence at AKA’s disposal - Or has the postcard surfaced as something new since the inquest.

 

[Carovb5]

Renov Pubs? Did any more info come to light about that?

Renov Pubs = Belgium, not the Netherlands…

 

[Carovb5]

I don’t know how much publicity this case has gotten in the Netherlands. Didn’t find much while searching, but i’m not in the Netherlands.

If there are Dutch people reading this: you can search on Google as follows: search for instance ‘Marion Barter’ —> press on ‘tools’ —> press ‘elk land’, —> press ‘land Nederland’.
Then you can see (and maybe tell us?) if there are many articles about the case in the Netherlands? Thanks in advance!!

 

[Kie22]

Renov Pubs = Belgium, not the Netherlands…

Yes, but it's a business (?) in the Benelux countries that seems to be connected to AHA

 

[KiwiNZ]

that brother-in-law at the inquest seem to be a real knob, MB's family and now extended family just seem like total odd balls when it comes to empathy or even appropriate behavior.

Why was he there other than to rubber neck, could have watched it online like the rest of us

 

[mishy66]

From TLV page

"The daughter he never wanted.
Just a couple of years after this photo was taken, this little girl’s life would become a living hell.
Two more nights."
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I can't imagine what her life must have been like after her mum was potentially murdered and 2 little kids left behind.
Maybe EKR was the one who went into the orphanage and AH used that as his own story - I wouldn't put anything past him now. He used the atrocities of the Holocaust to say his parents were killed, and included the prisoners of Singapore and the Vietnam war to paint his own BS life to anyone who cared to listen.

All the while his wife standing RIGHT BESIDE HIM, listening to some of this with their GC neighbours, (who THANK GOD came forward with information on them both) = even though she testified she stayed with Maria Coppenolle ("with her legs blown off and help to run the family furniture business" ) and "Willy Wouters, ahhhrrr , um not, I mean Andre Wouters" = going by her SWORN Testimony. So she would have known his talk of Holocaust was a lie.

These are the people who were ripped apart by his lies - innocent people like this child who grew up never knowing who her father was and probably today wishes she had never ever met the creep ( I can't use the word I want to describe him)

But AH if you are reading this, and I am sure you are and your family, EKR ISNT your daughter in any shape or form. She is the daughter of Ilona Kinczel, a young woman who was on the adventure of a lifetime, just like Marion 27 years later, not knowing what she was about to enter into by a monster of a human.

But now EK has a huge family behind her. The whole world is her family sharing her stories and shining a light on the true piece of work that you are. What a waste of a life you have had. You were given a gift of life and your own hatred of women, drove you into the hell your current family are having to face.
That is the legacy you have left them. Did you ever think about that when you started your quest to destroy women????

 

[mishy66]

that brother-in-law at the inquest seem to be a real knob, MB's family and now extended family just seem like total odd balls when it comes to empathy or even appropriate behavior.

Why was he there other than to rubber neck, could have watched it online like the rest of us

Totally - 5 minutes of glory on a podcast.
Bringing down a lady who has been missing for decades and ridiculing her daughter for what? 5 minutes in the sun? EVERY family in the world has differences. He is another creep

 

[Liselle]

‘Charlotte’ believes he deposited the cash she gave to him into a Dutch bank account before they flew to Bali.

We know that AKA likes to travel in and out of The Netherlands including when he had JO with him. Marion keeps mentioning Amsterdam in her postcards etc.

I don’t know how much publicity there has been surrounding AKA in Dutch media but could this be where much of the money was filtered through under a possible Dutch alias or business?

Was Marion’s final withdrawal by overseas transfer to a Dutch account? How long after the 15 Oct 97 was AKA’s next trip to Europe? Was it via Amsterdam?

We also have the Dutch dentist on Marion’s postcard but I’m assuming rightly or wrongly that they are unconnected to the case.

JMO and all that.

There are four Dutch banks which operate in Indonesia - Deutsche, ABN Amro, Rabobank and ING but they don't have offices in Bali. One would have to open a bank account with an Indonesian bank that services international travellers whilst staying in Bali. IMO, AKA would have this set up already judging by the number of times he used Bali as "a base" for a lot of his shenanigans! What was the great attraction with Bali anyway? Maybe half of the €10000 was banked in Bali and he did only have €5000 on entering Australia (which was subsequently "stolen"!) ……follow the money trail…..

 

[mishy66]

Evelyn is the Aussie accent on camera. Monique has a very strong accent. I sense we have someone completely new and unheard of. I hope so.

Maybe it is Evelyns relative = her mothers niece who spoke to the newspapers

 

[Brown Alleycat]

From TLV page

"The daughter he never wanted.
Just a couple of years after this photo was taken, this little girl’s life would become a living hell.
Two more nights."
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I can't imagine what her life must have been like after her mum was potentially murdered and 2 little kids left behind.
Maybe EKR was the one who went into the orphanage and AH used that as his own story - I wouldn't put anything past him now. He used the atrocities of the Holocaust to say his parents were killed, and included the prisoners of Singapore and the Vietnam war to paint his own BS life to anyone who cared to listen.

All the while his wife standing RIGHT BESIDE HIM, listening to some of this with their GC neighbours, (who THANK GOD came forward with information on them both) = even though she testified she stayed with Maria Coppenolle ("with her legs blown off and help to run the family furniture business" ) and "Willy Wouters, ahhhrrr , um not, I mean Andre Wouters" = going by her SWORN Testimony. So she would have known his talk of Holocaust was a lie.

These are the people who were ripped apart by his lies - innocent people like this child who grew up never knowing who her father was and probably today wishes she had never ever met the creep ( I can't use the word I want to describe him)

But AH if you are reading this, and I am sure you are and your family, EKR ISNT your daughter in any shape or form. She is the daughter of Ilona Kinczel, a young woman who was on the adventure of a lifetime, just like Marion 27 years later, not knowing what she was about to enter into by a monster of a human.

But now EK has a huge family behind her. The whole world is her family sharing her stories and shining a light on the true piece of work that you are. What a waste of a life you have had. You were given a gift of life and your own hatred of women, drove you into the hell your current family are having to face.
That is the legacy you have left them. Did you ever think about that when you started your quest to destroy women????

It truly breaks my heart to see this picture of such a beautiful innocent child. What a catastrophic life the poor darling has had. AH should rot in hell for the damage he has caused to so many women!

 

[Martinie]

There are four Dutch banks which operate in Indonesia - Deutsche, ABN Amro, Rabobank and ING but they don't have offices in Bali. One would have to open a bank account with an Indonesian bank that services international travellers whilst staying in Bali. IMO, AKA would have this set up already judging by the number of times he used Bali as "a base" for a lot of his shenanigans! What was the great attraction with Bali anyway? Maybe half of the €10000 was banked in Bali and he did only have €5000 on entering Australia (which was subsequently "stolen"!) ……follow the money trail…..

I reckon he was stopping in bali to deposit the money and then going to Belgium or wherever else to withdraw it as his "Inhertance"

 

[car54]

I don’t know how much publicity this case has gotten in the Netherlands. Didn’t find much while searching, but i’m not in the Netherlands.

If there are Dutch people reading this: you can search on Google as follows: search for instance ‘Marion Barter’ —> press on ‘tools’ —> press ‘elk land’, —> press ‘land Nederland’.
Then you can see (and maybe tell us?) if there are many articles about the case in the Netherlands? Thanks in advance!!

By adding site:nl to a Google search will give you the Dutch results. I tried "Marion Barter" which gave one result but only a paragraph long. I then searched Coppenelle, Remakel, de Hedervary which gave no relevant results. I can confidently say there's virtually no publicity of this case in the Netherlands. I'm Dutch born but live on the Gold Coast, Australia.

 

[Carovb5]

Yes, but it's a business (?) in the Benelux countries that seems to be connected to AHA

I’m very interested in the link to the other Benelux countries. Please tell more.

By adding site:nl to a Google search will give you the Dutch results. I tried "Marion Barter" which gave one result but only a paragraph long. I then searched Coppenelle, Remakel, de Hedervary which gave no relevant results. I can confidently say there's virtually no publicity of this case in the Netherlands. I'm Dutch born but live on the Gold Coast, Australia.

Thanks for the tip & for searching, @car54

I think that articles about him&her in Amsterdam miight possibly get interesting reactions.

 

[car54]

I’m very interested in the link to the other Benelux countries. Please tell more.

Thanks for the tip & for searching, @car54

I think that articles about him&her in Amsterdam miight possibly get interesting reactions.

For Luxembourg results add site:lu, France add site:fr Belgium add site:be UK add site:uk in the search bar. You can exclude particular words in results by adding a - minus sign immediately before the word.

To search for Marion Barter AND Amsterdam add "Marion Barter" +Amsterdam

You can also use do an advanced Google search at Google Advanced Search

At that site you can specify results from specific countries or languages.

Good luck.

 

[Lord Peter Flimsy]

I’m very interested in the link to the other Benelux countries. Please tell more.

Thanks for the tip & for searching, @car54

I think that articles about him&her in Amsterdam miight possibly get interesting reactions.

When I first heard AKAs voice I thought it had a slight Dutch twang to it, but someone who knows Benelux accents might correct me on that.

As far as we know he didn’t have a criminal record in The Netherlands and I’m not sure how robust their Banking checks would have been there? I suspect Belgium & France would have been too risky.