Australia Australia - Marion Barter - Missing After Trip to UK - June 1997 #20

[MrPickles]

Reading through Ric Blum's timeline made me giddy. How on earth he had managed to fit all of that into one lifetime is incredulous.

One thought I had while reading it was that he was placed on a disability pension following his horse riding accident while with the Belgian Gendarmerie .
He would more than likely still be receiving this pension. Would he still qualify for a Centrelink Disability Pension in addition to this???? not really sure, thoughts please! Would this also be a reason that he has traveled back and forth to ensure he continues to get the Belgium pension (in addition to fleecing people as well of course)

First wife and 2 children.. what became of them? will do a search of the forum to see if it has been discussed before.

YOU COULDN'T MAKE THIS STUFF UP IF YOU TRIED. Is anyone else guilty of trying to tell someone about this case who hasn't heard of it before and noticed after a few minutes that they drift off? I am sure they are calling BS on what you are trying to tell them.

It’s as you say, almost unbelievable! As a movie it would be seen to be a complete overreach of reality.

It’s true you can receive an overseas pension as well as an Australian Pension - although your overseas pension will come into play as to how much you receive from the Australian Government.

Apparently the Seven7 News timeline is out of date, while only updated yesterday. That’s yet to be proven and verified as fact.

 

[wallyworld]

It’s as you say, almost unbelievable! As a movie it would be seen to be a complete overreach of reality.

It’s true you can receive an overseas pension as well as an Australian Pension - although your overseas pension will come into play as to how much you receive from the Australian Government.

Apparently the Seven7 News timeline is out of date, while only updated yesterday. That’s yet to be proven and verified as fact.

thanks for your reply and for answering my questions.
Oh my Giddy Aunt, please don't tell me there is more to be added to that timeline!
Imagine his children reading it. If they are not speaking up behind the scenes I would be amazed. Time will tell.

 

[1965school]

Reading through Ric Blum's timeline made me giddy. How on earth he had managed to fit all of that into one lifetime is incredulous.

One thought I had while reading it was that he was placed on a disability pension following his horse riding accident while with the Belgian Gendarmerie .
He would more than likely still be receiving this pension. Would he still qualify for a Centrelink Disability Pension in addition to this???? not really sure, thoughts please! Would this also be a reason that he has traveled back and forth to ensure he continues to get the Belgium pension (in addition to fleecing people as well of course)

First wife and 2 children.. what became of them? will do a search of the forum to see if it has been discussed before.

YOU COULDN'T MAKE THIS STUFF UP IF YOU TRIED. Is anyone else guilty of trying to tell someone about this case who hasn't heard of it before and noticed after a few minutes that they drift off? I am sure they are calling BS on what you are trying to tell them.

I have been trying to tell my husband of almost 40 years about it for I don’t know how long. And he would say your not telling me about that man again. I would say yep and he would roll his eyes. He watched spotlight on Sunday night with me. All through the show he would say really, that can’t be true, surely etc and when it came to the photo on the passport he said is that him, my reply yep, but that is a female. Hahaha. Now he is hocked and wants to know the latest finds.

 

[CuriousKat99]

Is RB his retirement name?! Did he retire after ‘Charlotte’ in 2012 or do we believe other victims are lurking after that?

I still ponder DdeH stating at the inquest that AKA wasn’t a violent man. I always think back to Sonia Sutcliffe the wife of the Yorkshire Ripper who was unaware of his serial killing.

It is possible to live with a deviant psychopath and not realise it? Whether DdeH is in that category of women I’ll let others

Listening to AKA speak at the inquest, he sounded like a gentle old grandfather. It did remind me of Sutcliffe, who was described as softly spoken, and not the monster that everybody thought they were looking for.

I listened to an interesting podcast called Red Collar which covers cases of “Fraud detection homicide” in the US. The basic characteristics of “red collar” criminals are described in the podcast as follows (quoted from a book by Frank Perry):

1. We should not be misled by the fact that they may not yet have been charged with anything involving physical violence. These men and women are absolutely capable of lashing out if someone finds out about their fraud.
2. The victims do not have to be someone who participates in fraud. Often they are innocent victims themselves.
3. Red collar criminals have a history of antisocial and psychopathic tendencies.

Wonder what DdH’s definition of “violent” is anyway.

 

[mishy66]

Is RB his retirement name?! Did he retire after ‘Charlotte’ in 2012 or do we believe other victims are lurking after that?

I still ponder DdeH stating at the inquest that AKA wasn’t a violent man. I always think back to Sonia Sutcliffe the wife of the Yorkshire Ripper who was unaware of his serial killing.

It is possible to live with a deviant psychopath and not realise it? Whether DdeH is in that category of women I’ll let others decide.

I found it interesting that even AS says at the end of Spotlight - "Diane knows a lot more"

 

[Liselle]

Hypothetically speaking, if a p.o.i, hasn't been charged with any crime, but this p.o.i. had travelled regularly o/s using a multitude of aliases and passports, and a record of criminal offenses, would it be possible for this p.o.i. to be "detained" for their "personal safety" in an appropriate facility with secured exits, their passport/s revoked due to being a flight risk and their mobile phone monitored for possible contact with accomplices and/or intimidation of future witnesses? Or, could they remain in the family home with a long-standing, experienced, capable carer notwithstanding apparent capability of ambulation and positive cognition?

 

[MrsWattle]

Diane is an integral part of this, she the KEY to unlocking this mystery!!!

 

[mishy66]

Apparently the Seven7 News timeline is out of date, while only updated yesterday. That’s yet to be proven and verified as fact.

If you are referring to my post about it, I didn't say it was out of date. I said a lot of it is incorrect. Which it is if you know the case in regard to names of places, people and family

Just one example -

1939​

July 9: The man who would later be known as Ric Blum is born Willy Coppenolle in Tournai, Belgium to mother Maria and father Abel Wouters. Claims to have lived in orphanage until 1951, where he was known as Willy Wouters, until 1951.

1942​

Blum’s biological father dies.

IF someone who doesn't know much about the case..... was reading this then it stands to reason that his father Abel died 1942

But WS here know Abel didn't die in 1942 because he didnt marry Maria until 1950

and it was Marias 1st husband that died in 1942


There are dozens more.

Which is WHY so many new viewers reading about this case and commenting on the MB FB page are being rectified and clarified by the team.

Poor Journalism, like so many of these missing persons cases over the decades.

​

 

[mishy66]

Diane is an integral part of this, she the KEY to unlocking this mystery!!!

Totally Mrs Wattle.
So much not disclosed yet.

 

[Lord Peter Flimsy]

Diane is an integral part of this, she the KEY to unlocking this mystery!!!

There are times when I think forget about the key and get a sledgehammer instead!

I wonder what conversations she had with him when he returned from Europe each time? She gave little or nothing away at the Inquest. Many of her answers were ‘can’t remember’.

If she is in fear of him surely it’s time her son & daughter spoke up? Surely they would have witnessed all this coercive control when growing up?

 

[mishy66]

There are times when I think forget about the key and get a sledgehammer instead!

I wonder what conversations she had with him when he returned from Europe each time? She gave little or nothing away at the Inquest. Many of her answers were ‘can’t remember’.

If she is in fear of him surely it’s time her son & daughter spoke up? Surely they would have witnessed all this coercive control when growing up?

Not to mention her ongoing perjury on the stand so many times!

The car she said was purchased for M - age 16 - and sold 3 months later.
Then evidence it was transferred to her name in 1998, then transferred to D the following year who had it until 2001.

What was his name when you met him on that trip ? "Willy Wouters - but I always called him Ric "
AC – even when you knew his name as WW - "Yes I always called him Ric - He introduced himself as WW but I called him Rick, I liked it better than Willy".

AC - Was it your understanding he was born in Belgium?

DdeH - Sorry?

AC - Was it you understanding he was born in Belgium?

DdeH - Um, that’s what they said, yeh




And as lord peter points out:

When questioned about her having full knowledge of her husbands previous crimes and fraud, and did she have any suspicion over his subsequent changes of name in Australia her answer was
“I didn’t really expect any problems anymore” and I didn’t expect him to be doing anything bad again”
“when was the first time you learned he had changed his name” her answer is “which one?”


The GC neighbour for years paints a very different image of Diane than the UK neighbour - She was around when he told lies about his family, the signing of documents relating to name changes, the garage full of bonds and die casts, asking about making coins etc etc etc and she had no problem leaving her cat behind with no food or water when she travelled to Bali for the daughters wedding!

 

[caitlincurious]

There are times when I think forget about the key and get a sledgehammer instead!

I wonder what conversations she had with him when he returned from Europe each time? She gave little or nothing away at the Inquest. Many of her answers were ‘can’t remember’.

If she is in fear of him surely it’s time her son & daughter spoke up? Surely they would have witnessed all this coercive control when growing up?

I have said it before and I’ll say it again. RB’s children could very well think and act like him. From what we know, they don’t seem like very humble or ordinary people who could think and feel the way we would expect children of sociopaths to feel. I hope I’m wrong! I hope they come forward and do the right thing by cooperating with police and supporting their mum. I like to think they are behind putting RB in care - to shelter their mum (whom they could believe innocent in all of this). But I get the feeling they’re out to protect their own reputations.

 

[MrPickles]

If you are referring to my post about it, I didn't say it was out of date. I said a lot of it is incorrect. Which it is if you know the case in regard to names of places, people and family

Just one example -

1939​

July 9: The man who would later be known as Ric Blum is born Willy Coppenolle in Tournai, Belgium to mother Maria and father Abel Wouters. Claims to have lived in orphanage until 1951, where he was known as Willy Wouters, until 1951.

1942​

Blum’s biological father dies.

IF someone who doesn't know much about the case..... was reading this then it stands to reason that his father Abel died 1942

But WS here know Abel didn't die in 1942 because he didnt marry Maria until 1950

and it was Marias 1st husband that died in 1942


There are dozens more.

Which is WHY so many new viewers reading about this case and commenting on the MB FB page are being rectified and clarified by the team.

Poor Journalism, like so many of these missing persons cases over the decades.

​

Please make contact TLV team with your research. They’ll be happy to update their timeline if it’s incorrect. [email protected]

 

[wallyworld]

There are times when I think forget about the key and get a sledgehammer instead!

I wonder what conversations she had with him when he returned from Europe each time? She gave little or nothing away at the Inquest. Many of her answers were ‘can’t remember’.

If she is in fear of him surely it’s time her son & daughter spoke up? Surely they would have witnessed all this coercive control when growing up?

perhaps son & daughter's deafening silence is due to the financial gain they have received over the years. JMO

 

[mishy66]

perhaps son & daughter's deafening silence is due to the financial gain they have received over the years. JMO

Totally why they wont come forward.

Remember the son even threatened one of the victims with legal action when she reached out for help.

 

[mishy66]

Please make contact TLV team with your research. They’ll be happy to update their timeline if it’s incorrect. [email protected]

Mr Pickles, just so you are informed WS has a HUGE body of people working on this case. AS TLV know much more than most of us would, AND they are running the podcasts and listening to the same inquest we all are, the information is already with them and also on here, which some of the people from both the pages are on here too
.
SO it isnt up to anyone here to reach out to them about poor information on a public site that is read by thousands of people who have no idea of the case still. That is the journalists problem to makes sure the accurate information is reaching the public. And spell check would be a great start !

This actual timeline when it first came out was discussed on both pages at the time because of inaccuracies and many times it was rectified / clarified by some of the team.

You say you have followed the case for a long time, so maybe you could send them the relevant correct information ?

I do have all the details of how to contact them

but thanks !

 

[wallyworld]

Totally why they wont come forward.

Remember the son even threatened on of the victims with legal action when she reached out for help.

Yes a very valid point worth remembering when we are considering what role they have played in this

 

[Martinie]

Reading through Ric Blum's timeline made me giddy. How on earth he had managed to fit all of that into one lifetime is incredulous.

One thought I had while reading it was that he was placed on a disability pension following his horse riding accident while with the Belgian Gendarmerie .
He would more than likely still be receiving this pension. Would he still qualify for a Centrelink Disability Pension in addition to this???? not really sure, thoughts please! Would this also be a reason that he has traveled back and forth to ensure he continues to get the Belgium pension (in addition to fleecing people as well of course)

First wife and 2 children.. what became of them? will do a search of the forum to see if it has been discussed before.

YOU COULDN'T MAKE THIS STUFF UP IF YOU TRIED. Is anyone else guilty of trying to tell someone about this case who hasn't heard of it before and noticed after a few minutes that they drift off? I am sure they are calling BS on what you are trying to tell them.

I'm still wondering if what he said about how the inheritance is sorted can be disproved. It would help the case and make him have to explain himself...

 

[Carovb5]

Well he did use the deHedervary name.....connected to one of the biggest profile names in the world.

It's a cat and mouse game with him.

It's not about whether or not he IS part of a high profile persons life, whether criminal or otherwise, but it's a path that distracts from who/what he really is.

He could have easily used any common name in the world for the past decades = smith, brown, jones - and he would NEVER have been found.

But he couldn't do that - his ego wouldn't let him.

It's more fun for him to take up names that have a history on the world stage so that IF anyone were to start hunting him, the path would be a very long and winding one - hence why the world is just beginning to know him after 60 odd years.


50 odd aliases - we only know just over half of them

It was only that ONE person here in Australia, managed to find a crumb he left that this case turned on its head. Now the mice are chasing the cat. And there are thousands of mice - he can't hide anymore.

I still wonder about the french doctor having an appartment in BE where aka hag one. Not at all a place where a doctor would have a second/vacationhome imo. Still Wondering if he was another alias.

 

[Lord Peter Flimsy]

With all his various addresses in Australia is there an Electoral Roll or something similar so that you can view who all his neighbours were at each property at the time AKA was living there?

Assuming they are still alive would it not be worth finding these people and asking them a few questions? It’s entirely possible they don’t even know about the case.