Australia Australia - Marion Barter - Missing After Trip to UK - June 1997 #20

[mishy66]

If MC knew he had lots of guns a few questions I would to like ask her;

How many guns are we taking about?
Did she actually see these guns?
If so, where?
What type of weapons are we taking about? Rifles?
Did she ask him why he possessed so many guns?
Where were these guns kept/hidden?
Were they kept in Luxembourg or Belgium or both?

If her story is true why the hell did he need so many weapons? He was allegedly selling sofa’s! Was he part of a gang that were using these weapons?

Surely Luxembourg and Belgium Police should be looking into this matter, NOW!

yeah I agree Lord Peter!

We know he did have one gun at least - IK niece says he chased IK in his car with one and MJR said he had a gun.

But I am not sure about MC story on a cache

WHY would she have continued to "stay" with her lover for 10 years if so? And knowing he had her ex's ID, surely she OR the ex, would have reported AH to the authorities if he had so many guns.

I still think she is packing a few punches at him

Still a lot of pages in the MC and AH book missing IMO

 

[Podcast Tragic]

But for me the passenger cards with Marion's writing doesn't clinch her coming back into Australia.

Me too!!!!

 

[MrPickles]

I agree with your theory for the most part. If MB did come home then I can see how what you say would be how it was carried out.

But for me the passenger cards with Marion's writing doesn't clinch her coming back into Australia.

AH has himself said, as did Diane, that he collects the passenger cards in the terminal and fills them out - he could have very easily had Marion fill out her cards and keep them - he loves to hold onto all the women's important documents - he told one of the victims he would be very mad if they lost their PP, so he would look after it.

He is also a criminal - he would have no problem finding someone to enter under the FNMR passport.
If he is a murderer finding someone to enter under an illegal Passport is chicken feed for him. He has done it all his life.

Perhaps - I just find it unlikely there’s a third person. He seemingly works alone with great singular assurance he is above the law.

 

[KinseyFan]

For me it’s that SL is sure it’s her Mum’s handwriting on the passenger card. SL has also provided previous passenger cards. It’s the same handwriting. I just think bringing a 3rd person in using her passport is unlikely - when AKA has someone close to pose as MB at the bank. That tells me that MB returned to AU. I’m less convinced she withdrew the money. It had to be the same person (visual identity at BB - not necessarily MB) withdrawing the money for 3.5 weeks. I’d like to think MB had missed her kids (evidence in postcards) - she would’ve definitely contacted Sal. Been desperate too. I cannot imagine it was MB withdrawing for over 2 months and not calling her kids. My speculation.

Re: passenger card. I can’t help but wonder if her hand writing was forged. Wasn’t that part of RBs “skill set”? I can’t remember.

 

[KinseyFan]

I sense that he would have had that kind of c&b story already in play well before Marion departed going by SL’s description of Marion’s behaviour eg all of a sudden telling SL’s fiancé to leave immediately after he had been helping her pack her things.

Totally agree

 

[Estelle]

On a personal note, I will be departing at 6am tomorrow from Sydney for extensive travels in Europe until 12th September, so I will miss reading your posts at this most interesting stage of this case. Let's hope I have enough internet access while there to be kept informed.

 

[Lord Peter Flimsy]

Perhaps - I just find it unlikely there’s a third person. He seemingly works alone with great singular assurance he is above the law.

Possibly. It’s one of the great imponderables of this case. Was he a lone wolf or not?

You do wonder who AKA might have been introduced to in his time in prison? If he was an ex-Gendarme how did other prisoners react to him? This is a master manipulator with a BS story for every eventuality.

We know of DdeH & MC but for all we know there might be another ex-lover lurking in the shadows?

 

[MrsWattle]

If Marion was withdrawing the money he must have had complete control over her. The question is how? The Secret Agent and the fear her family could be at risk should she contact them is a known tactic of serial conmen.

I wonder if he was poisoning her and she was feeling/acting unwell or paranoid while he gaslit her.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

On a personal note, I will be departing at 6am tomorrow from Sydney for extensive travels in Europe until 12th September, so I will miss reading your posts at this most interesting stage of this case. Let's hope I have enough internet access while there to be kept informed.

Have a wonderful time, Estelle

 

[Estelle]

Have a wonderful time, Estelle

Thanks Tootsie.

 

[MrPickles]

Possibly. It’s one of the great imponderables of this case. Was he a lone wolf or not?

You do wonder who AKA might have been introduced to in his time in prison? If he was an ex-Gendarme how did other prisoners react to him? This is a master manipulator with a BS story for every eventuality.

We know of DdeH & MC but for all we know there might be another ex-lover lurking in the shadows?

I agree there’s endless speculative possibilities. I’d like to think (very tragically) that MB’s likely demise was not without being truly wise and knowing. That she was at least as savvy as her daughter to know that things did not add up. To think her demise happened after a phone call to her daughter in the UK does not gel with me. It just doesn’t sit right with me.

 

[mishy66]

Fairly put. Clearly I’m reading her all wrong.

who knows really.
I dont think any of us will ever know all the story with this case.
It is such a tangled web

 

[TootsieFootsie]

I think Marion didn't get to the stage of realising she was being conned, after the fact, unlike the others when he disappeared on them

I think she caught him out and I believe that would have been a very dangerous time.

 

[Estelle]

I agree there’s endless speculative possibilities. I’d like to think (very tragically) that MB’s likely demise was not without being truly wise and knowing. That she wasn’t as savvy as her daughter to know that things fit not add up. To think her demise happened after a phone call to her daughter in the UK does not gel with me. It just doesn’t sit right with me.

It does with me. Have you ever heard of the honeymoon stage of a relationship?

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IMO MB was blinded by love and would have done anything to please RB which became her downfall.

 

[Lord Peter Flimsy]

I think Marion didn't get to the stage of realising she was being conned, after the fact, unlike the others when he disappeared on them

I think she caught him out and I believe that would have been a very dangerous time.

When you corner a rat it’s never going to end well.

 

[Estelle]

Possibly. It’s one of the great imponderables of this case. Was he a lone wolf or not?

You do wonder who AKA might have been introduced to in his time in prison? If he was an ex-Gendarme how did other prisoners react to him? This is a master manipulator with a BS story for every eventuality.

We know of DdeH & MC but for all we know there might be another ex-lover lurking in the shadows?

IMO RB both acted alone in some cases and could also have been involved in organised crime because he would have had many contacts during his time when incarcerated so he could call for help when needed and they could call on him.

 

[KinseyFan]

@Estelle All the best! Hope you can check in here, too

 

[ruby925]

A romance fraud victim has just told her story on UK TV..she lost around £50K...but this relationship lasted three years until she was broke and had sold all her jewellery etc. The fraudster (met online) had at least 3 concurrent romance frauds and is now in prison. He did not pose as a rich person, but otherwise it all sounded so familiar..he owed dangerous people money, he got beaten up a lot because of this, the victim and her family would be in danger if this money wasn't paid etc. The requests for money (first one to pay rent as wages late arriving) or he would be evicted started within three weeks of first contact. I completely understand how women are taken in by these criminals when they are looking for love, but I am also frustrated how widespread these scams are.

 

[MrPickles]

I think Marion didn't get to the stage of realising she was being conned, after the fact, unlike the others when he disappeared on them

I think she caught him out and I believe that would have been a very dangerous time.

This is where I sit too - instinctively without proof. I’d like to think he was caught out and called out. It makes me so very sad writing this - A person can be naive and gullible without being completely fooled.

 

[ruby925]

So glad you have posted this Mishy. No hiding IKs untimely death now.

I am not medically trained, but there seems to be nothing in the coroner's report to indicate why IK may have had reduced blood flow to the heart ie myocardial ischaemia as the cause of death. Everything seems to have been ok except for the scoliosis. Are there any medics on here that could throw more light on this?