Australia Australia - Marion Barter - Missing After Trip to UK - June 1997 #20

[Kie22]

I might be wrong, but to me it's noticeable that not one of his family/friends/acquaintances anywhere have come out to defend him. Not one. Neither his adult children or wife came to court to support him during the last days of the inquest, which suggests they're distancing themselves.

Unfortunately I think the only hope of getting the truth of what happened to MB is if RB's immediate family put pressure on him to confess. One by one his lies are being exposed and he's no longer in control of the narrative which will be causing him immense stress, the edifice is crumbling.
The family's reputation is surely suffering under continued speculation - they're possibly running scared of public backlash/retaliation which will only continue until the truth is known.
NOW is the time for him/them to give SL the answers she desperately needs. Karma!

 

[Liselle]

I am not medically trained, but there seems to be nothing in the coroner's report to indicate why IK may have had reduced blood flow to the heart ie myocardial ischaemia as the cause of death. Everything seems to have been ok except for the scoliosis. Are there any medics on here that could throw more light on this?

Interestingly, the coroner’s report did not reveal IK's recent bout of "tonsillitis". Maybe the redness and pain was an adverse reaction to an ingested chemical???

 

[MrsEmmaPeel]

Regarding the daily bank withdrawals: Marion returns to Australia to get cash for a school and finds the withdrawals must be done daily. She hadn’t realized! She sets about the process. RB is angry that things got so bungled, but he observes how Marion does it. In the bank, from a distance. The daily routine. So the pattern is set. If Marion is killed, RB and accomplice can replicate the pattern elsewhere at a different branch or different teller; set up their own new routine but mimicking Marion. First time, scary. Will it work? But Teller can see the withdrawal process has been happening in Marion’s account assumes it’s her. Chatty accomplice says the money is for Bali. The more they withdraw the easier it gets. Marion is erased and replaced.

I believe Marion did come home. Found it would take weeks to get the money, saw the anger in RB who has had to blow his rule of dirtying the nest. Tensions flare. Marion wants out, but it’s too late.

Do the withdrawals line up with this? Weren't they at different locations?

 

[Littleguy7]

I wasn't convinced that it was MB doing the $5K daily cash withdrawals until hearing GDs testimony that he had her withdraw her money in small amounts in cash. Seems too similar.

 

[mishy66]

I thought they said it was 7 Plus.
I think you still need an account to view stuff there.

I looked up the requirements and you need to be located in Australia.

Ok thanks Toots. I didnt realise 7Plus could only be screened if Australia based.
That sucks really.

 

[mishy66]

Quick question, well actually 2
Was it ever confirmed/proven that AKA was in fact a Gendarme?
Can AKA sail or skipper a boat?

Yes @hahahils he was definitely in the Gendarme.
It was confirmed on the MBFB page that he was.
The post might still be there somewhere.

 

[mishy66]

Can AKA sail or skipper a boat?

Doubt that

 

[mishy66]

I might be wrong but did Joni confirm recently on FB that he was a Gendarme?

Yes she did @Lord Peter Flimsy

He WAS in the Gendarme

 

[mishy66]

I just don’t know whether Marion did come back or not, and I don’t have any doubt that it’s Marion’s handwriting on the passenger card, but all that means is that Marion filled out that card.


I also can’t help feeling that it would be out of character for Marion to lie about where she had been and we do know that she had been travelling in the south of England and I can’t understand why this wasn’t mentioned on the passenger card if she filled it in herself in her way back to Australia.

Yes as mentioned earlier he and diane admitted to the fact he fills out the passenger cards, as they are available at the terminal

The passenger card of FNMR flew out of Amsterdam and into Australia with a refuel in Hong Kong only.

 

[MrPickles]

Regarding the daily bank withdrawals: Marion returns to Australia to get cash for a school and finds the withdrawals must be done daily. She hadn’t realized! She sets about the process. RB is angry that things got so bungled, but he observes how Marion does it. In the bank, from a distance. The daily routine. So the pattern is set. If Marion is killed, RB and accomplice can replicate the pattern elsewhere at a different branch or different teller; set up their own new routine but mimicking Marion. First time, scary. Will it work? But Teller can see the withdrawal process has been happening in Marion’s account assumes it’s her. Chatty accomplice says the money is for Bali. The more they withdraw the easier it gets. Marion is erased and replaced.

I believe Marion did come home. Found it would take weeks to get the money, saw the anger in RB who has had to blow his rule of dirtying the nest. Tensions flare. Marion wants out, but it’s too late.

Do the withdrawals line up with this? Weren't they at different locations?

It’s tricky as there’s no records. I believe for memory that SL was told most withdrawals were at Byron Bay, one in Ashmore and one In Burleigh Heads.

It astonishes me as too unbelievable that MB would withdraw funds in Ashmore where she had lived (and NO ONE saw her) or at Burleigh, less than 5 minutes from where SL was living at the time.

 

[KiwiNZ]

Just to explain.

I know that us Aussies can see the episode on 7 Plus. I watched it live.

But what I'm not sure of is if any members from outside Australia have been able to see it yet.

That's why I'm waiting for it to go on Youtube, so overseas members will be able to see it for sure.

confirming I can not view 7 Plus - you can join but the video will not play - I am in NZ

waiting for it to hit You Tube - thanks for keeping an eye out Toots

 

[MrPickles]

I just don’t know whether Marion did come back or not, and I don’t have any doubt that it’s Marion’s handwriting on the passenger card, but all that means is that Marion filled out that card.

Here are some things that occurred to me:

She may have filled the card out at some time previously when she might have thought she was on her way to Luxembourg to be married.

I think it would be quite in keeping for Mr AKA to persuade her that this was an admin task that she should do in advance.

I also can’t help feeling that it would be out of character for Marion to lie about where she had been and we do know that she had been travelling in the south of England and I can’t understand why this wasn’t mentioned on the passenger card if she filled it in herself in her way back to Australia.

I have also thought that the name change may have been designed to make it harder for Marion’s movements to be detected, and this was the case — if she’d been using the name Barter, her movements might have been known earlier but the name change made her movements difficult to identify until some years later.

I thought having a third party return to Australia posing as Florabella Remakel, might have been risky and unnecessary, but he could be sure that nobody would be looking for her.

As I say, I have no idea what actually happened.

AKA flew back to Australia on the 31st of July 1997. I’m not sure if that’s the day he left Europe or arrived back in Australia.

MB phoned SL on the 1st of August 1997 - her passport has her arriving in Brisbane on the 2nd of August.

If MB did indeed take that flight it seems she likely called SL from either Amsterdam or during her Hong Kong transit. Meaning she lied to SL in regards to her true location.

1) MB is alive and well after AKA’s return to Australia.

2) If MB didn’t take that flight - we have a third party using MB’s identity.

3) If MB didn’t take that flight do we have a fourth party in the UK contracted to do a nasty deed?

Or - MB lied to SL - did return to Brisbane - what was MB doing between the 2nd of August and her optometrist appointment on the 13th of August in Grafton? Was she sick? Suffering blurred vision? Why was the first bank withdrawal so many days after her return? First withdrawal on the 15th of August, 13 days after her return? Nearly 2 weeks. Nymboida - where AKA claimed to JO he had acreage is only 40klms from Grafton. Is there more to this claim?

Instinct - AKA’s new vehicle purchase was on the 11th of August. I think somewhere between the 2nd of August and the 15th of August is the critical dates of MB’s timeline. Speculation only.

 

[mishy66]

It was a long shot that this might be him - but found this a while ago Australia - Australia - Marion Barter - Missing After Trip to UK - June 1997 #16

Yes that's right! I had forgotten you found this pearler!

He would definitely fit with the age and the area that is for sure.

Flanders / Knokke-Heist is his stomping ground, right on the border of the Netherlands where he flies in and out of.

Willy Wouters
Jan 1959 – manager of a 118t trawling boat from Flanders runs aground near Portsmounth UK - age 20

 

[Martinie]

What poison causes heart damage?

Irregular heart rhythm and eventually heart-attack is what makes digoxin poisoning so dangerous. When digoxin enters the body, it binds a transport protein called the sodium-potassium pump situated on heart cells.

Can digoxin overdose cause death?

Digoxin Toxicity Can Be Fatal. outcomes, including death. In-hospital and 30-day mortality rates from digoxin toxicity remain high, despite declining use of digoxin overall.

Digoxin is a type of medicine called a cardiac glycoside. It's used to control some heart problems, such as irregular heartbeats (arrhythmias) including atrial fibrillation. It can also help to manage the symptoms of heart failure, usually with other medicines.

I wonder if he could have got his hands on any..

 

[CuriousKat99]

Yes she did @Lord Peter Flimsy

He WAS in the Gendarme

Perfect training ground for his future “inheritance” business, learning all the essential skills to evade authorities

 

[Martinie]

AKA flew back to Australia on the 31st of July 1997. I’m not sure if that’s the day he left Europe or arrived back in Australia.

MB phoned SL on the 1st of August 1997 - her passport has her arriving in Brisbane on the 2nd of August.

If MB did indeed take that flight it seems she likely called SL from either Amsterdam or during her Hong Kong transit. Meaning she lied to SL in regards to her true location.

1) MB is alive and well after AKA’s return to Australia.

2) If MB didn’t take that flight - we have a third party using MB’s identity.

3) If MB didn’t take that flight do we have a fourth party in the UK contracted to do a nasty deed?

Or - MB lied to SL - did return to Brisbane - what was MB doing between the 2nd of August and her optometrist appointment on the 13th of August in Grafton? Was she sick? Suffering blurred vision? Why was the first bank withdrawal so many days after her return? First withdrawal on the 15th of August, 13 days after her return? Nearly 2 weeks. Nymboida - where AKA claimed to JO he had acreage is only 40klms from Grafton. Is there more to this claim?

Instinct - AKA’s new vehicle purchase was on the 11th of August. I think somewhere between the 2nd of August and the 15th of August is the critical dates of MB’s timeline. Speculation only.

I agree. I had a gut feeling a while ago that around that time something happened. Even more so since AH said he went to the Grafton swimming carnival, but apparently he didn't.

 

[centred]

I wonder who the presenter on Spotlight (LB) was referring to when he said "we found a connection to ANOTHER murder"? Who was the first victim? Who was the second victim? Is he accusing RB of murder without invoking legal precautions? As the word "allegedly" was not used, I assume that means the programme has evidence of two murders of which someone has already been convicted of one. Hopefully someone can unravel the meaning of this.

This ! Also a concern for me for obvious reasons , there is zero proof that we know of in regards to any murder as yet so it is an issue to claim so without the usual caveats added....perhaps they think there is no chance of a case so do not care to be careful ...imo

 

[mishy66]

Digoxin is a type of medicine called a cardiac glycoside. It's used to control some heart problems, such as irregular heartbeats (arrhythmias) including atrial fibrillation. It can also help to manage the symptoms of heart failure, usually with other medicines.

I wonder if he could have got his hands on any..

Dianes father

 

[mishy66]

Perfect training ground for his future “inheritance” business, learning all the essential skills to evade authorities

Not to mention his father who was a master at forgeries thanks to working for the underground helping the jewish folk

JMO

 

[mishy66]

Putting Georgette Van Acker back on the table.

I think @Carovb5 found her some time back.




Name: Georgette Van Acker
Case Classification: Missing
Missing Since: March 22, 1999
Location Last Seen: Bourg-Léopold, Hasselt, Belgium
Georgette Van Acker from Bourg-Léopold, was last seen on Monday, 22 March 1999 at Lille train station (France).

2626DFBEL - Georgette Van Acker

Lille has featured in his life since the early 60's when he married his first wife/wives and I think even one of the 'step brothers' was born near there.
All through the decades up until 2012 when he had his last flight OS to Europe attending Marias sister funeral - he even told JO he was 'robbed' there - that was in 1999.

2012 AH stops going to Europe - ADAM C or perhaps Lille Mr Blum

On 24 February 2012 CL picks up Willy in Lille at the train station