Australia Australia - Marion Barter - Missing After Trip to UK - June 1997 #20

[Lord Peter Flimsy]

Yes as mentioned earlier he and diane admitted to the fact he fills out the passenger cards, as they are available at the terminal

The passenger card of FNMR flew out of Amsterdam and into Australia with a refuel in Hong Kong only.

I’m assuming it’s not easy to pin down every passenger card for that flight?

 

[Liselle]

@Estelle wrote a few months ago "I have never thought that this man was really a Dutch dentist. IMO he could have been an associate of AKA from Amsterdam whom he had arranged to "look after" Marion." With the recent speculation of AKA's association with the Brabant Gang, a "dentist" in gangster speech is one who is assigned to torture adversaries, persons owing money, etc. Perhaps MB naively took this to be the literal truth that this man was a real dentist, but as @Estelle said, it was arranged for him to "look after" MB. And for anyone who is in the "MB did not return to Australia" camp, this could be the reason why. Personally, I am still a fence sitter on this point, so I should take SL's advice of don't assume, but only deal with the facts!

 

[caitlincurious]

2010

Charges over drugs smuggled in container

THE owner of one of Port Botany's largest container storage companies has been charged in relation to the importation of up to $15 million worth of drugs concealed in a container full of flat-pack furniture.

www.smh.com.au

.... owner of one of Port Botany's largest container storage companies has been charged in relation to the importation of up to $15 million worth of drugs concealed in a container full of flat-pack furniture.

Peter Panayi, 61, was charged in June with attempting to pervert the course of justice in relation to the importation, which federal police alleged involved an international drug trafficking syndicate....


2011

Move to wind up crime-linked transport firm

A CONTROVERSIAL Port Botany transport firm could be wound up over unpaid debts 18 months after it was linked to organised crime on the waterfront.

www.smh.com.au

....Mr Panayi has moved his office into WSI International, a container storage company the Panayi family partly controls at Port Botany.....


Guess who runs -
Warehouse and Logistics Manager at WSI Transport

Worked at WSI transport services

Worked at WSI Transport
WSI International

Nicholas Tselepi - on FB

the father of Peter Nicholas Tselepi

So how is RB is tied to this Nicholas Tselepi? Nicholas and Peter are clearly real people. Do we think he has impersonated one of them? I’m not seeing the connection other than the fact the tselepi may have been involved in shady business dealings.

 

[MrPickles]

AKA flew back to Australia on the 31st of July 1997. I’m not sure if that’s the day he left Europe or arrived back in Australia.

MB phoned SL on the 1st of August 1997 - her passport has her arriving in Brisbane on the 2nd of August.

If MB did indeed take that flight it seems she likely called SL from either Amsterdam or during her Hong Kong transit. Meaning she lied to SL in regards to her true location.

1) MB is alive and well after AKA’s return to Australia.

2) If MB didn’t take that flight - we have a third party using MB’s identity.

3) If MB didn’t take that flight do we have a fourth party in the UK contracted to do a nasty deed?

Or - MB lied to SL - did return to Brisbane - what was MB doing between the 2nd of August and her optometrist appointment on the 13th of August in Grafton? Why was the first bank withdrawal so many days after her return? First withdrawal on the 15th of August, 13 days after her return? Nearly 2 weeks. Nymboida - where AKA claimed to JO he had acreage is only 40klms from Grafton. Is there more to this claim?

Instinct - AKA’s new vehicle purchase was on the 11th of August. I think somewhere between the 2nd of August and the 15th of August is the critical dates of MB’s timeline. Speculation only

Putting Georgette Van Acker back on the table.

I think @Carovb5 found her some time back.




Name: Georgette Van Acker
Case Classification: Missing
Missing Since: March 22, 1999
Location Last Seen: Bourg-Léopold, Hasselt, Belgium
Georgette Van Acker from Bourg-Léopold, was last seen on Monday, 22 March 1999 at Lille train station (France).

Doe Network: International Center For Missing and Unidentified Persons

Doe Network is an all-volunteer organization dedicated to bringing awareness to missing persons and unidentified persons throughout the U.S., Canada, Mexico, Europe, and Australia.

www.doenetwork.org

Lille has featured in his life since the early 60's when he married his first wife/wives and I think even one of the 'step brothers' was born near there.
All through the decades up until 2012 when he had his last flight OS to Europe attending Marias sister funeral - he even told JO he was 'robbed' there - that was in 1999.

2012 AH stops going to Europe - ADAM C or perhaps Lille Mr Blum

On 24 February 2012 CL picks up Willy in Lille at the train station

Definitely. Likely.

 

[HinterlandObserver]

So how is RB is tied to this Nicholas Tselepi? Nicholas and Peter are clearly real people. Do we think he has impersonated one of them? I’m not seeing the connection other than the fact the tselepi may have been involved in shady business dealings.

Likely say the shady business dealings are the ties.

 

[MrsWattle]

Putting Georgette Van Acker back on the table.

I think @Carovb5 found her some time back.




Name: Georgette Van Acker
Case Classification: Missing
Missing Since: March 22, 1999
Location Last Seen: Bourg-Léopold, Hasselt, Belgium
Georgette Van Acker from Bourg-Léopold, was last seen on Monday, 22 March 1999 at Lille train station (France).

Doe Network: International Center For Missing and Unidentified Persons

Doe Network is an all-volunteer organization dedicated to bringing awareness to missing persons and unidentified persons throughout the U.S., Canada, Mexico, Europe, and Australia.

www.doenetwork.org

Lille has featured in his life since the early 60's when he married his first wife/wives and I think even one of the 'step brothers' was born near there.
All through the decades up until 2012 when he had his last flight OS to Europe attending Marias sister funeral - he even told JO he was 'robbed' there - that was in 1999.

2012 AH stops going to Europe - ADAM C or perhaps Lille Mr Blum

On 24 February 2012 CL picks up Willy in Lille at the train station

Exactly what I was thinking. The Lille train station mentioned by CL.
Georgette
Clothing: Beige colored trousers and a pullover or jacket
Jewelry: Unknown
Additional Personal Items: Georgette was carrying a suitcase on two wheels.

 

[KiwiNZ]

So how is RB is tied to this Nicholas Tselepi? Nicholas and Peter are clearly real people. Do we think he has impersonated one of them? I’m not seeing the connection other than the fact the tselepi may have been involved in shady business dealings.

Hopefully 7 investigates will elaborate on the connection because all we have right now is the passport screen shot from the doco which we assume has something to do with the case.

 

[KiwiNZ]

Georgette Van Acker - I cant find her on Ancestry or any other information other than the missing poster, hopefully someone on here comes up with something.

 

[CuriousKat99]

@Estelle wrote a few months ago "I have never thought that this man was really a Dutch dentist. IMO he could have been an associate of AKA from Amsterdam whom he had arranged to "look after" Marion." With the recent speculation of AKA's association with the Brabant Gang, a "dentist" in gangster speech is one who is assigned to torture adversaries, persons owing money, etc. Perhaps MB naively took this to be the literal truth that this man was a real dentist, but as @Estelle said, it was arranged for him to "look after" MB. And for anyone who is in the "MB did not return to Australia" camp, this could be the reason why. Personally, I am still a fence sitter on this point, so I should take SL's advice of don't assume, but only deal with the facts!

Agree, best to keep both options open on Marion returning to AU or not. Both are possible and both fit with his MO from other victims.

 

[Lord Peter Flimsy]

Putting Georgette Van Acker back on the table.

I think @Carovb5 found her some time back.




Name: Georgette Van Acker
Case Classification: Missing
Missing Since: March 22, 1999
Location Last Seen: Bourg-Léopold, Hasselt, Belgium
Georgette Van Acker from Bourg-Léopold, was last seen on Monday, 22 March 1999 at Lille train station (France).

Doe Network: International Center For Missing and Unidentified Persons

Doe Network is an all-volunteer organization dedicated to bringing awareness to missing persons and unidentified persons throughout the U.S., Canada, Mexico, Europe, and Australia.

www.doenetwork.org

Lille has featured in his life since the early 60's when he married his first wife/wives and I think even one of the 'step brothers' was born near there.
All through the decades up until 2012 when he had his last flight OS to Europe attending Marias sister funeral - he even told JO he was 'robbed' there - that was in 1999.

2012 AH stops going to Europe - ADAM C or perhaps Lille Mr Blum

On 24 February 2012 CL picks up Willy in Lille at the train station

This is why I can’t understand why they won’t release ALL the dates he departed from and returned to Australia. Any of these missing person cases could then perhaps be linked to whether he was in Europe or not at that time. If the Police won’t do it then at least let us lot delve a little bit deeper.

 

[Lord Peter Flimsy]

I did post this a while back that gave some dates;

I too have wondered whether the Jennifer Fairgate (Fergate) case might be connected but she was found dead in the Oslo hotel room on the 3/6/95.

During the inquest Sally’s lawyer ran through the travel movements on RBs passports. In 1995 he travelled to Europe on the 23/2/95 to 8/3/95 and 20/10/95 to 31/10/95. There was another trip on the 19/4/95 with no end date other than the suggestion it was for a week. I’m sure AC stated at the inquest there were 4 trips in 1995 so when was the other one?

For info in 1993 he travelled from 12/5/93 to 9/6/93 and 1/9/93 to 31/10/93 and in 1994 from 30/3/94 to 3/4/94 and 27/7/94 to 26/9/94.

As far as I know no dates were given for 1996? This might help when looking at other potential victims in Europe in these years.

 

[Lord Peter Flimsy]

I did post this a while back that gave some dates;

I too have wondered whether the Jennifer Fairgate (Fergate) case might be connected but she was found dead in the Oslo hotel room on the 3/6/95.

During the inquest Sally’s lawyer ran through the travel movements on RBs passports. In 1995 he travelled to Europe on the 23/2/95 to 8/3/95 and 20/10/95 to 31/10/95. There was another trip on the 19/4/95 with no end date other than the suggestion it was for a week. I’m sure AC stated at the inquest there were 4 trips in 1995 so when was the other one?

For info in 1993 he travelled from 12/5/93 to 9/6/93 and 1/9/93 to 31/10/93 and in 1994 from 30/3/94 to 3/4/94 and 27/7/94 to 26/9/94.

As far as I know no dates were given for 1996? This might help when looking at other potential victims in Europe in these years.

From the dates I did manage to get the 2 month trips from 1/9/93 to 31/10/93 and 27/7/94 to 26/9/94 are surely worth looking into.

 

[KinseyFan]

I did post this a while back that gave some dates;

I too have wondered whether the Jennifer Fairgate (Fergate) case might be connected but she was found dead in the Oslo hotel room on the 3/6/95.

During the inquest Sally’s lawyer ran through the travel movements on RBs passports. In 1995 he travelled to Europe on the 23/2/95 to 8/3/95 and 20/10/95 to 31/10/95. There was another trip on the 19/4/95 with no end date other than the suggestion it was for a week. I’m sure AC stated at the inquest there were 4 trips in 1995 so when was the other one?

For info in 1993 he travelled from 12/5/93 to 9/6/93 and 1/9/93 to 31/10/93 and in 1994 from 30/3/94 to 3/4/94 and 27/7/94 to 26/9/94.

As far as I know no dates were given for 1996? This might help when looking at other potential victims in Europe in these years.

Do you think there would be more aliases /identity thefts? More than we know of, I mean

 

[Jennyw12000]

Some of these trips seem to be very short to be at all worth the expense…

 

[mishy66]

@Estelle wrote a few months ago "I have never thought that this man was really a Dutch dentist. IMO he could have been an associate of AKA from Amsterdam whom he had arranged to "look after" Marion." With the recent speculation of AKA's association with the Brabant Gang, a "dentist" in gangster speech is one who is assigned to torture adversaries, persons owing money, etc. Perhaps MB naively took this to be the literal truth that this man was a real dentist, but as @Estelle said, it was arranged for him to "look after" MB. And for anyone who is in the "MB did not return to Australia" camp, this could be the reason why. Personally, I am still a fence sitter on this point, so I should take SL's advice of don't assume, but only deal with the facts!

hmmmmmm, did they -TLV - all not ASSUME that FR in Lux WAS indeed the FR who placed the ad in the paper......

 

[mishy66]

So how is RB is tied to this Nicholas Tselepi? Nicholas and Peter are clearly real people. Do we think he has impersonated one of them? I’m not seeing the connection other than the fact the tselepi may have been involved in shady business dealings.

No idea.
Have to wait for Spotlight for how the name links to the case, if indeed it does.

We are sleuths, thats what we do, dig for information. Just like TLV and MB FB page - some things not connected, some things are.

Its like the other sleuths a few pages back who found some other links to the name....digging up the dirt with the only piece of info we all have atm

 

[marv hucker]

So how is RB is tied to this Nicholas Tselepi? Nicholas and Peter are clearly real people. Do we think he has impersonated one of them? I’m not seeing the connection other than the fact the tselepi may have been involved in shady business dealings.

A large scale drug importer would be about the last person I’d want to impersonate.

 

[mishy66]

Do you think there would be more aliases /identity thefts? More than we know of, I mean

Over 50 aliases going by the newspaper - we only have about 38 odd, consisting of legal names or publicly known aliases

That's a lot of years not covered yet with passenger cards

 

[mishy66]

A large scale drug importer would be about the last person I’d want to impersonate.

Well he did use the deHedervary name.....connected to one of the biggest profile names in the world.

It's a cat and mouse game with him.

It's not about whether or not he IS part of a high profile persons life, whether criminal or otherwise, but it's a path that distracts from who/what he really is.

He could have easily used any common name in the world for the past decades = smith, brown, jones - and he would NEVER have been found.

But he couldn't do that - his ego wouldn't let him.

It's more fun for him to take up names that have a history on the world stage so that IF anyone were to start hunting him, the path would be a very long and winding one - hence why the world is just beginning to know him after 60 odd years.


50 odd aliases - we only know just over half of them

It was only that ONE person here in Australia, managed to find a crumb he left that this case turned on its head. Now the mice are chasing the cat. And there are thousands of mice - he can't hide anymore.

 

[Lord Peter Flimsy]

Some of these trips seem to be very short to be at all worth the expense…

Very true. Would these short trips be in order to collect a proportion of his ill gotten gains that he would be able to get through immigration in Australia?

I’m guessing he avoids using any form of Bank transfer back to Australia even under a false name. He probably brings a mixture of cash and items (coins/jewellery) purchased in cash back from Europe.

JMO but probably some of this cash burning a hole in his pocket goes on gambling. He just never has those big wins as his wife said.