Australia Australia - Marion Barter - Missing After Trip to UK - June 1997 #20

[Fifilepew]

Digoxin is a type of medicine called a cardiac glycoside. It's used to control some heart problems, such as irregular heartbeats (arrhythmias) including atrial fibrillation. It can also help to manage the symptoms of heart failure, usually with other medicines.

I wonder if he could have got his hands on any..

Digoxin is obtained from Foxgloves. You can dry the leaves and make it into powder.

Digoxin is a type of medicine called a cardiac glycoside. It's used to control some heart problems, such as irregular heartbeats (arrhythmias) including atrial fibrillation. It can also help to manage the symptoms of heart failure, usually with other medicines.

I wonder if he could have got his hands on any..

 

[sah10406]

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Coroner calls in expert: was Ric Blum's lover Marion Barter poisoned? | The Australian

 

[mishy66]

While the Australian has published a story into the possible poisoning connection and that of MB today, the death of Ilona K is another that needs investigating and hopefully is !!!


This is the previous post I did on her death.

Australia - Australia - Marion Barter - Missing After Trip to UK - June 1997 #19

Neither do I have an issue with the Luxembourg trip- in hindsight it all worked out well, I was just taking a jab at the "investigative" part of the journalism and the fact that they link to the advert was right under their nose. But the way it all played out probably worked in their favour...

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Here are the rest of the documents from the Coroners report relating to it. ALL found on the public arena - Homepage | PROV
( have to do it in 2 posts because of attachment requirements)

THIS IS ALL FOUND online and in the public arena. I have the link above so it should be ok to post now that it is being discussed publicly.

It's been a long time sitting on all of this.

 

[mishy66]

While the Australian has published a story into the possible poisoning connection and that of MB today, the death of Ilona K is another that needs investigating and hopefully is !!!


This is the previous post I did on her death.

Australia - Australia - Marion Barter - Missing After Trip to UK - June 1997 #19

Neither do I have an issue with the Luxembourg trip- in hindsight it all worked out well, I was just taking a jab at the "investigative" part of the journalism and the fact that they link to the advert was right under their nose. But the way it all played out probably worked in their favour...

www.websleuths.com

Here are the rest of the documents from the Coroners report relating to it. ALL found on the public arena - Homepage | PROV
( have to do it in 2 posts because of attachment requirements)

THIS IS ALL FOUND online and in the public arena. I have the link above so it should be ok to post now that it is being discussed publicly.

It's been a long time sitting on all of this.

There has been a ton of work done on this and a couple of the people in the documents the past year - please don't put up any details you may find on the friend. A lot has already been found by some of us.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

I'd like to say to members, including new members,
please don't hesitate to post what you find, or your opinions.

Whether it's been posted here before or not is not important.

No one can be expected to know absolutely everything that has been posted on this long thread.


And you very well might be the one who finds that needed missing bit.
So please join in.

 

[Liselle]

Double post

Thank you @mishy66 for all your research! What an absolute c*ck up these reports are!! Another case of government paper shuffling and excuses, but I would like to see the Maurice Blackburn paperwork and who they referred to as "dependents". There seemed to be suspicion as to the cause of her death from the beginning and I also noted that the coroner's report stated "no common….poisons…were detected". That alone leaves an open finding or the need to continue investigating. I can't seem to find anyone with the name of the carpenter who identified her body and why wasn't it her husband Mr Reid/Read?

 

[KiwiNZ]

I can't seem to find anyone with the name of the carpenter who identified her body and why wasn't it her husband Mr Reid/Read?

I could not identify a body, especially of a loved one, I would be to distraught, so I don't read that much into that. Also he may not have been in the country at the time ? Maybe it will be explained in the Doco, he did speak to MBMP team and seem to be quite forth coming, at least we know he is real now

 

[brjakj]

I do wonder if they have considered exhumation of IK's body for testing? Or if too much time has passed.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

I do wonder if they have considered exhumation of IK's body for testing? Or if too much time has passed.

I was thinking the same thing.

 

[Lord Peter Flimsy]

I do wonder if they have considered exhumation of IK's body for testing? Or if too much time has passed.

I had wondered this too but not sure if 46 years will be too long? I was going to ask that question yesterday. Would hair survive and still give a clue? Shame they didn’t carry out the tests properly and timeously in the first place.

I know it’s been asked a few times but what became of his first 2 wives?

 

[Liselle]

Still can't find the name (I may have incorrect spelling) anywhere of "the carpenter" who, incidentally, lived less than a three minute walk from where IK was found deceased! Maybe she was heading to his flat?

 

[Sillybilly]

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Coroner calls in expert: was Ric Blum's lover Marion Barter poisoned? | The Australian

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[Observe_dont_Absorb]

Thank you @mishy66 for all your research! What an absolute c*ck up these reports are!! Another case of government paper shuffling and excuses, but I would like to see the Maurice Blackburn paperwork and who they referred to as "dependents". There seemed to be suspicion as to the cause of her death from the beginning and I also noted that the coroner's report stated "no common….poisons…were detected". That alone leaves an open finding or the need to continue investigating. I can't seem to find anyone with the name of the carpenter who identified her body and why wasn't it her husband Mr Reid/Read?

I wonder what 'common poisons' were tested for?

As someone posted above 'digoxin' is a naturally occurring substance in the wildflowers 'digitalis' ie foxgloves

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

I guess they may be worried about getting sued by some of the victims families. After all, it seems they have been given money by their dad into adulthood. Maybe they’re worried about having to pay it back.

If it were me, I'd worry that I'm falling foul of money laundering legislation.

 

[hahahils]

I had wondered this too but not sure if 46 years will be too long? I was going to ask that question yesterday. Would hair survive and still give a clue? Shame they didn’t carry out the tests properly and timeously in the first place.

I know it’s been asked a few times but what became of his first 2 wives?

I really want to know about his other 2 wives as well!

 

[TootsieFootsie]

I wonder how many times he's been "engaged".
And how many times he's been "married"

 

[ruby925]

I wonder how many times he's been "engaged".
And how many times he's been "married"

And how any wife could have divorced him..how would you find him with so many aliases?

 

[TootsieFootsie]

And how many other engagement notices in how many names might there be in some old overseas newspapers.

Maybe it was the done thing then to put an announcement in a paper.

 

[sah10406]

I know there is speculation here that maybe MC knows more than she is letting on, or that she and maybe FN had a longer and deeper connection with RB than she is saying. Maybe her reluctance to appear at the inquest and her being in shadow in the Spotlight programme has enhanced this.

I have been trying to put together what she has said, and listened again to her first "ambush" phone call by BR before RB was in the frame, her longer interview with AS on TLV on 5.3.23 after she had been in touch with NSW police, her similar interview on the Spotlight show and the coverage of the "testicles" letter at the inquest.

In the ambush call, she doesn't deny knowing anyone in Australia, only denies knowing whether her ex of 40 years FN has ever been there.

Her delivery in the longer interview and on the Spotlight programme is highly dramatic ("he could KILL!") and she says RB is a potential killer, a master of manipulation and only out for money. It appears she only knew about the serious allegations against RB when informed relatively recently by NSW police. Perhaps it helped her reframe and rethink some personal interaction she had had with him.

She seems to have had the fling with RB (as FdH) in Luxembourg in 1980, when she was separated from FR but not yet divorced. The testicles letter was sent from Australia in 8 August 1980 and assumes the affair is ongoing and there is still a "new life" around the corner.

She tells AS that she asked FN to go and see RB, but it's not clear when or even why:

"We were not together anymore. We were separated, divorced. [...] At a certain moment I thought that there's something wrong with this man. We were in divorce, but I spoke with my husband, and I said I know there's something, someone, I don't, I have, I don't believe him so many. I would like you to, I will show you where he is living and you go to him and tell him something's wrong. Get in contact with him. And my husband did that for me. He was a psychologist. And that's why, he said to him, imagine something saying that, I asked thank you to him for this or for that, and my husband did that. And the other one, DeHedevary, he stole at that visit his identity card." [her guess, presumably]

As told, I assumed she meant this all happened in 1980, and that it prompted her ending the fling with RB. But maybe it was well after, with RB/FdH having come back to Luxembourg thinking it was all still on with MC? Certainly the tone of the testicles letter appears to be pretty confident that plans are still in place.

 

[CuriousKat99]

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Coroner calls in expert: was Ric Blum's lover Marion Barter poisoned? | The Australian

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