Australia Australia - Marion Barter - Missing After Trip to UK - June 1997 #20

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

Even if they are victims in a way of RB they should definitely be held accountable. DDeH for receiving centrelink payments under false pretence and their children for benefiting from funds given to them by RB that had come from what he stole from his victims. DDeH definitely knows a lot more than what she admitted at the inquest and perhaps the children have been taught from very young to use people for their own benefit. I am hoping that RB is charged after the findings of the inquest have been released and they are questioned at length. Perhaps then we might a little closer to finding Marion.

They should certainly be held to answer as best they can as to what they recall of his comings, goings, and any key information that detectives wish to ask them. If they (the children) are innocents in all this, which they may well truly be, the least they can do is fully assist with inquiries. It could be their lawful duty and obligation to do so, I'd imagine.

DDeH on the other hand I fear is a hopeless case but let's hope she finds some motive to sing
(like song in a man's testicle...)

sorry, couldn't help myself

 

[Jennyw12000]

Sounds like Mr B has previously used burying valuables as a strategy. In the latest podcast (# 53 La Diabolique) MC claims that he dug up multiple Id cards from the soil. c 1:05:00

 

[KiwiNZ]

They should certainly be held to answer as best they can as to what they recall of his comings, goings, and any key information that detectives wish to ask them. If they (the children) are innocents in all this, which they may well truly be, the least they can do is fully assist with inquiries. It could be their lawful duty and obligation to do so, I'd imagine.

Correct me if I am wrong - but I don't believe anyone (DDH or the children) legally have to talk to police, even if RB is arrested.

 

[MrPickles]

Yes, they have the right to refuse to be formally interviewed.

 

[mishy66]

Sounds like Mr B has previously used burying valuables as a strategy. In the latest podcast (# 53 La Diabolique) MC claims that he dug up multiple Id cards from the soil. c 1:05:00

Yes probably buried in the cylindars and briefcases with hidden compartments that her ex invented.
JMO

 

[mishy66]

Correct me if I am wrong - but I don't believe anyone (DDH or the children) legally have to talk to police, even if RB is arrested.

No they dont
It would only be if it goes to trial. And even then, if denying anything and they know, and it is found to be they lied, perjury.

I dont know that DdH professional reputation would hold up to that.
Maite on the other hand, like father like daughter

 

[Liselle]

4 large suitcases and a couple of bags when LL dropped her to the bus stop.

IF she did come back , what happened to all of this luggage?
For 8 days she wouldn't be lugging all that back plus all her purchases from her sight seeing as stated on her postcards.
IF she was staying somewhere in the UK why is it no one remembers all this luggage being left behind by an Australian woman even if they can't remember her name when enquires were made? A lot of luggage to dispose of - surely that doesn't happen much in the industry in a small place like Tunbridge Wells for example?
Her rush to get from the UK to Amsterdam to catch a flight home wouldn't see her taking a mountain of luggage with her if coming back to Aust for 8 days.

She did leave some at Heathrow we know, but how much was she actually travelling with and what happened to the luggage at Heathrow?

"4 large suitcases and a couple of bags" LL

I don't know what the protocol was in the 1990's, but unclaimed luggage at Heathrow Airport will eventually go to baggageauctions.co.uk. BUT only if it doesn't have the owner's tags (name, address, etc) attached. With MB being a teacher, I would imagine this was definitely something she would have double checked, whether the bags were left at Heathrow, Schipol or Luxembourg.

 

[mishy66]

I don't know what the protocol was in the 1990's, but unclaimed luggage at Heathrow Airport will eventually go to baggageauctions.co.uk. BUT only if it doesn't have the owner's tags (name, address, etc) attached. With MB being a teacher, I would imagine this was definitely something she would have double checked, whether the bags were left at Heathrow, Schipol or Luxembourg.

Yes, it is really bizarre. I checked back on LL discussion and she definitely says 4 large suitcases and a couple of bags, yet MB FB page says 2 suitcases and a travel on bag.
So many mixed messages on a case already full of lies.
I am sticking with LL, she dropped Marion off.
In that case, I cant imagine M lugging 4 suitcases all the way to Tunbridge Wells. AH probs said the same to her as the others, leave your winter things at Heathrow and only take your summer clothes - maybe 1 or 2 suitcases then?

So with all that luggage stored she would have def left her details on them as you say. She is thinking she is off to Europe soon so she wouldn't be NOT leaving details in case they go missing.

What happened to it all ?

The same thing that happened with the other womens luggage? Under his alias name most probably - he had plenty to chose from, he then collects what he needs from them, leaves the rest and heads home eventually. Meanwhile Marion is shopping and sight seeing.

WHERE did her luggage end up. 4 suitcases. ALL her shopping she did in the UK - "shopped till I dropped".
He has to have had help. He isnt a lone wolf, as some of us have always believed.

 

[mishy66]

AH do you know the name Simon Attila West put my mind at rest and say no

 

[mishy66]

They should certainly be held to answer as best they can as to what they recall of his comings, goings, and any key information that detectives wish to ask them. If they (the children) are innocents in all this, which they may well truly be, the least they can do is fully assist with inquiries. It could be their lawful duty and obligation to do so, I'd imagine.

DDeH on the other hand I fear is a hopeless case but let's hope she finds some motive to sing
(like song in a man's testicle...)

sorry, couldn't help myself

I hear what you are saying though. IF they have been scared of him throughout their childhood as some others have said who knew them when they were in the swim clubs and IF, as some have said Diane was scared of him, then it would stand to reason, IF they all have nothing to hide, NOW that they are adults with their own families and haven't lived at home for years, they could go as a united front and reveal all to the authorities. He cant do anything to them now that he is safely locked in a home thanks probably to his legals. It would make sense now that they have watched the heartbreaking story of Evelyn Kinczel Reid especially, and listened to the other victims one of which was from his own extended family, they all marched up to the police station and laid it bare.

But no. They wont step up because they are possibly involved in their fathers business dealings, 'investments' etc.
Diane dripping in gold jewellery, the kids living the life of the rich, Diane in her brand new car, all the property investments, all of them traveling the world in their adult lives- "all on a carers pension" - given to someone who had no one to look after because the husband was never home long enough - and the father on a "disability pension" - ripping off the Australian Government for decades.
No they wont be stepping up. They are use to their life of luxury now - thanks to the victims and the Australian Government.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

With MB being a teacher, I would imagine this was definitely something she would have double checked, whether the bags were left at Heathrow, Schipol or Luxembourg.

Unless RB told her that he had collected them and had them sent off to his Luxembourg mansion.

Perhaps he had asked her to "pack her valuables" in them.

Did Chris say what the things were that he was helping Marion pack, before she kicked him out.


Also hopefully there was something inside all that luggage that did have Marion's name on it.
Like an engraving of ownership. Or a journal or diary. See below.

Maybe some belongings might turn up some day. Wouldn't it be good if she kept a journal of her doings.
Maybe she kept a day to day diary. Then later the important things would be written in the journal when she settled in Luxembourg.

Re the title Les Diaboliques, that is one of my favourite French movies, one that chilled me to the bone and has stayed in my memory.

 

[KinseyFan]

I don't know what the protocol was in the 1990's, but unclaimed luggage at Heathrow Airport will eventually go to baggageauctions.co.uk. BUT only if it doesn't have the owner's tags (name, address, etc) attached. With MB being a teacher, I would imagine this was definitely something she would have double checked, whether the bags were left at Heathrow, Schipol or Luxembourg.

Might have had HIS name/details? You know, to ‘help’ out.

 

[MrsWattle]

MC met the mafia gang, RB had the van and he robbed "castles" in UK of antiques.

The Burwash neighbours reported RB for suspicious middle of the night activity, suspecting drugs.

Pierre Soupart (who tried to kill his own mother)
Pierre Soupart “responsible for the daily management of the "lounge business" company’

HELLOOoOoo UK police , what unsolved robberies do you have on the records?

 

[HinterlandObserver]

AH do you know the name Simon Attila West put my mind at rest and say no

One of the many “electricians” that also lived at his many addresses.
The mention of IKs brother solidified another alias for me IMOO

 

[hoodunnit]

DBM Double post sorry

 

[hoodunnit]

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[MrPickles]

Unless RB told her that he had collected them and had them sent off to his Luxembourg mansion.

Perhaps he had asked her to "pack her valuables" in them.

Did Chris say what the things were that he was helping Marion pack, before she kicked him out.


Also hopefully there was something inside all that luggage that did have Marion's name on it.
Like an engraving of ownership. Or a journal or diary. See below.

Maybe some belongings might turn up some day. Wouldn't it be good if she kept a journal of her doings.
Maybe she kept a day to day diary. Then later the important things would be written in the journal when she settled in Luxembourg.

Re the title Les Diaboliques, that is one of my favourite French movies, one that chilled me to the bone and has stayed in my memory.

Due to the fact AKA arrived in EUR/UK before MB - I have to wonder if he arranged a storage locker under his name for MB’s luggage, he’s thoughtful like that, right?

As he returned to Australia before MB, he could’ve fleeced it for valuables and ID etc, then disposed of the rest as to not leave any trace of MB when family began to search for her.

I think he would’ve been well ahead of the game than to allow MB to have a storage locker in her own name.

 

[hoodunnit]

Currently listening to the opening of the latest podcast. AS sounds literally giddy with excitement at being in Brussels. Supposed to be a fact finding mission, not a bloody busmans holiday MOO

 

[KiwiNZ]

Currently listening to the opening of the latest podcast. AS sounds literally giddy with excitement at being in Brussels. Supposed to be a fact finding mission, not a bloody busmans holiday MOO

and the reporting during the "shoe incident" come on ....

 

[wallyworld]

Correct me if I am wrong - but I don't believe anyone (DDH or the children) legally have to talk to police, even if RB is arrested.

The Proceeds of Crime Act 2002 relates to property suspected of being the proceeds of crime and can be restrained or confiscated. Proceeds of crime are cash, property, other assets or benefits gained through criminal activity.

If as others here have suspected that money has been gifted to the children for the purchases of property then that would have to be explained.