Australia Australia - Marion Barter - Missing After Trip to UK - June 1997 #20

[Newby171]

I think definitively lost its focus - Ric Blum is not the case here really.
I think it is all about proving MB is dead so superannuation can be released to next of kin etc also there is money still in bank?
I have asked questions to help try and investigate and research this case but if the ones at the helm won’t answer simple questions then I see a huge flaw in the reasoning.
I asked
And if anyone knows the answers please let me know please

Was MB a smoker ?

How did the scar on her septum/nose happen?

What were her email addresses ? Current to 1997 and past emails

Had she had a hysterectomy?

Has she had a appendectomy?

Moles scars or ops identifying marks etc
Dentistry - I noticed her teeth were quite worn etc earlier then they look better later - implants or veneers or?

Ear piercings (just the one each ear or?) belly button ring at any time or any other piercings?

The nose scar or anomaly is important for me to know about / how did it come about ? And did it make her smile slightly lopsided - did it cause the two lines or ridges that go from nose to top lip go slightly off center -

Sorry so many questions but I think some of these can be easily answered ?? By family

I don’t think it is about money/super at all. Sally is looking for her mother, and to find out what has happened to her. After 26 years of uncertainty, I believe money would be the last thing on her mind.

 

[M0nnyka]

Seriously?? I think you need to do more research here and discover the facts. I can't believe you are actually writing these comments here. I appreciate you have to have an opinion but I can't understand what facts you have to base it all on.
Please explain in order for many to understand your summary. Thank you.

This is a place to uncover truth and to investigate all avenues - theories - facts etc
I may be playing the devils advocate with some of what I say but if one buys into the MB victim theory 100% that is shutting down other possibilities.
I see
MB bought the ticket
MB resigned from work
MB sold house
MB returned to clear out bank money
MB Did not state her true intentions and became secretive
MB Didn’t contact family on return
In my opinion RB may be a crook and a con man but he would be the perfect person to help one disappear because he knows how to change names and manipulate the system and knows that apathy within law enforcement and immigration etc and how to use it for advantage.
These are just some of the pre disappearance facts re MB

I also see in RB someone who cons people but he does not look like a murderer on trial and he knows (in my opinion ) that the lack of real evidence means he won’t go to jail - for any of it. To me it is very interesting his past etc but it is taking away from the true hunt for MB

There is a name for when police etc decide on one perpetrator as the “one” tunnel vision. That’s my point really.
Also it is very hard to get any answers from anyone on some points - if my mother sister etc I’d be wanting all avenues investigated

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

DBM

 

[mishy66]

I wanted to comment the same lol

DBM

 

[Kaypee3]

This is a place to uncover truth and to investigate all avenues - theories - facts etc
I may be playing the devils advocate with some of what I say but if one buys into the MB victim theory 100% that is shutting down other possibilities.
I see
MB bought the ticket
MB resigned from work
MB sold house
MB returned to clear out bank money
MB Did not state her true intentions and became secretive
MB Didn’t contact family on return
In my opinion RB may be a crook and a con man but he would be the perfect person to help one disappear because he knows how to change names and manipulate the system and knows that apathy within law enforcement and immigration etc and how to use it for advantage.
These are just some of the pre disappearance facts re MB

I also see in RB someone who cons people but he does not look like a murderer on trial and he knows (in my opinion ) that the lack of real evidence means he won’t go to jail - for any of it. To me it is very interesting his past etc but it is taking away from the true hunt for MB

There is a name for when police etc decide on one perpetrator as the “one” tunnel vision. That’s my point really.
Also it is very hard to get any answers from anyone on some points - if my mother sister etc I’d be wanting all avenues investigated

Wow… It has not been established that MB returned to withdraw the money from her account, what evidence of this do you have? Maybe I missed something…

Coercive control may have been behind all that ‘you see’, although you have not stated this in your theory. My grandmother went missing many, many years ago with a very controlling, dangerous conman who she’d was terrified of. He convinced her to leave her family, her 2 children and her home to go to the other side of the world. She was never able to get back home and she lived with that guilt her whole life, with her children never ever knowing what happened to their mother… they died not knowing the truth. I found them after 30 years, but it was too late.

I understand what you’re saying re the victim theory that no other avenues are explored due to tunnel vision and you are entitled to your opinion. I totally disagree and believe MB was at a very vulnerable stage of her life and RB exploited that vulnerability to the fullest extent. I don’t understand at all how one can come to the assumption that MB chose to disappear of her own volition and IMO, all of the evidence so far in the inquests supports the theory she was coerced, love bombed or whatever you like to call it, for the sole purpose of stealing her money.

Although murder may not be a part of RB’s MO, that we know of, IMO he is not telling the truth regarding his true involvement with MB and is hiding a huge portion of what he knows in relation to her disappearance.

All JMO.

 

[CuriousKat99]

This is a place to uncover truth and to investigate all avenues - theories - facts etc
I may be playing the devils advocate with some of what I say but if one buys into the MB victim theory 100% that is shutting down other possibilities.
I see
MB bought the ticket
MB resigned from work
MB sold house
MB returned to clear out bank money
MB Did not state her true intentions and became secretive
MB Didn’t contact family on return
In my opinion RB may be a crook and a con man but he would be the perfect person to help one disappear because he knows how to change names and manipulate the system and knows that apathy within law enforcement and immigration etc and how to use it for advantage.
These are just some of the pre disappearance facts re MB

I also see in RB someone who cons people but he does not look like a murderer on trial and he knows (in my opinion ) that the lack of real evidence means he won’t go to jail - for any of it. To me it is very interesting his past etc but it is taking away from the true hunt for MB

There is a name for when police etc decide on one perpetrator as the “one” tunnel vision. That’s my point really.
Also it is very hard to get any answers from anyone on some points - if my mother sister etc I’d be wanting all avenues investigated

My understanding is that other options have been thoroughly investigated, eg the pilot, previous partners, cults etc. It’s just that as the investigation continues, more and more relevant evidence keeps popping up surrounding AKA. It’s no surprise that if you keep striking gold, you keep digging around the same location. It makes total sense for the main focus of the investigation to now be on AKA. If you or someone else has a credible lead that focuses on another direction, please share.

 

[CuriousKat99]

I think definitively lost its focus - Ric Blum is not the case here really.
I think it is all about proving MB is dead so superannuation can be released to next of kin etc also there is money still in bank?
I have asked questions to help try and investigate and research this case but if the ones at the helm won’t answer simple questions then I see a huge flaw in the reasoning.
I asked
And if anyone knows the answers please let me know please

Was MB a smoker ?

How did the scar on her septum/nose happen?

What were her email addresses ? Current to 1997 and past emails

Had she had a hysterectomy?

Has she had a appendectomy?

Moles scars or ops identifying marks etc
Dentistry - I noticed her teeth were quite worn etc earlier then they look better later - implants or veneers or?

Ear piercings (just the one each ear or?) belly button ring at any time or any other piercings?

The nose scar or anomaly is important for me to know about / how did it come about ? And did it make her smile slightly lopsided - did it cause the two lines or ridges that go from nose to top lip go slightly off center -

Sorry so many questions but I think some of these can be easily answered ?? By family

Are you able to help explain in more detail how the answers to these questions are going to lead to finding Marion? Also I doubt that many people would have had an email address in 1997 and prior.

 

[CuriousKat99]

I don’t think it is about money/super at all. Sally is looking for her mother, and to find out what has happened to her. After 26 years of uncertainty, I believe money would be the last thing on her mind.

Agree, there’s not much money left anyway

 

[KathPlumber]

Nice of Ric Blum to join Websleuths

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Also I doubt that many people would have had an email address in 1997 and prior.

By 1997 I'd had an email account since 1992.

And it was just an account that any member of the public could have.
Was early days though and only one of my friends also had one, through their Uni.

Email had not yet become mainstream, and I remember telling friends about email and they didn't have a clue what I was talking about.
That all changed in 1994 when the first proper isp came to town here. It didn't take off til 1995.
By 1997 I knew quite a few people who used email.

 

[CuriousKat99]

By 1997 I'd had an email account since 1992.
And it was just an account that any member of the public could have.
Was early days though and only one of my friends also had one, through their Uni.

Ok interesting. I got my first email account at the beginning of 1998, but hardly ever used it.

 

[KiwiNZ]

By 1997 I'd had an email account since 1992.

And it was just an account that any member of the public could have.
Was early days though and only one of my friends also had one, through their Uni.

Email had not yet become mainstream, and I remember telling friends about email and they didn't have a clue what I was talking about.
That all changed in 1994 when the first proper isp came to town here. It didn't take off til 1995.
By 1997 I knew quite a few people who used email.

Pretty sure Sally said Marion didn't have a computer and didn't know how to use one

 

[KinseyFan]

This is a place to uncover truth and to investigate all avenues - theories - facts etc
I may be playing the devils advocate with some of what I say but if one buys into the MB victim theory 100% that is shutting down other possibilities.
I see
MB bought the ticket
MB resigned from work
MB sold house
MB returned to clear out bank money
MB Did not state her true intentions and became secretive
MB Didn’t contact family on return
In my opinion RB may be a crook and a con man but he would be the perfect person to help one disappear because he knows how to change names and manipulate the system and knows that apathy within law enforcement and immigration etc and how to use it for advantage.
These are just some of the pre disappearance facts re MB

I also see in RB someone who cons people but he does not look like a murderer on trial and he knows (in my opinion ) that the lack of real evidence means he won’t go to jail - for any of it. To me it is very interesting his past etc but it is taking away from the true hunt for MB

There is a name for when police etc decide on one perpetrator as the “one” tunnel vision. That’s my point really.
Also it is very hard to get any answers from anyone on some points - if my mother sister etc I’d be wanting all avenues investigated

I think it’s fair to say that RB has used coercive control on his victims. As shared by these brave women at the inquest and in the media. So I’m thinking it’s reasonable to look at the stats around how often or likely it is that coercive control escalates to physical violence. As outlined here: 4. Non-physical forms of violence

 

[Housemartyn]

I think it’s fair to say that RB has used coercive control on his victims. As shared by these brave women at the inquest and in the media. So I’m thinking it’s reasonable to look at the stats around how often or likely it is that coercive control escalates to physical violence. As outlined here: 4. Non-physical forms of violence

It's also fair to say that victims have come forward and given clear evidence that RB is capable of murder, owned guns and has extensive knowledge of poisons. Personally I'm not going with the non violent route. That was the theory 4 years ago. Much progress has been made since then.

 

[Bagpus]

Pretty sure Sally said Marion didn't have a computer and didn't know how to use one

Someone who was, say, in their teens at the time, and had an inexplicably affluent home life, may well have had an early email address. They could very well be under the impression that everyone did.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

DBM

 

[Bagpus]

None of that applies to me. Not when I got my first email account. And I've never been what you would call rich.
I was in my late 30s and far from affluent. My email account was a free uni one.

I do remember that even when the first proper commercial isp started here in 1994, most people I talked to, couldn't see the use in email or internet . It only started taking off after a long series of promotions on what the benefits of email and the internet were.
I remember how excited I was buying my first computer. A friend said to me that I had "more money than sense"

I didn't mean you in particular. I was perhaps being a little critic. But that's how I want to keep it, I'm afraid.

 

[centred]

Nobody thinks Marion disappeared of her own volition. That's just a cover story for the scam and disappearance. So why would you promote it?

Also, what on earth are you planning on doing with all those personal details of Marion if someone did supply them to you?

I believe MB sisters have suggested this , I am not sure about others but i am guessing some people might agree with them IMO

 

[TootsieFootsie]

I think Universites, and institutions, like Tafe and Govt departments were among early users of email.
And some Universities also let local residents have an account back then.

I also feel it likely that RB, because of his 'career" was also an early adopter of email. And then the internet.

As for Marion, maybe the school staff used email or the old electronic bulletin board system, that's been around much longer than the internet.

 

[Housemartyn]

I believe MB sisters have suggested this , I am not sure about others but i am guessing some people might agree with them IMO

Only people who haven't followed the evidence. Or just aren't interested.