Australia Australia - Marion Barter - Missing After Trip to UK - June 1997 #20

[CuriousKat99]

The guys is clearly cheap ... could he have used Marions Medicare card for his family

There wouldn’t have been any financial benefit for him in using the Medicare card

 

[KiwiNZ]

There wouldn’t have been any financial benefit for him in using the Medicare card

thanks - I am not in Aus so thanks for that

 

[mishy66]

I wonder who the children were!
I mean to say, I wonder if he had more children himself.

This account was in a previous podcast and I think it is D and M who are the teens.
IMO
The date CdeH talks of isn't disclosed so if it was around the 90s the kids would be teens.

It is quite interesting though given that would place the whole family in Belgium in the 90s....and we did see the photograph of D with braces on.

And J is stating not to mention the kids and D for legal reasons. This might be why they cut parts in the recent Spotlight Program which had the snippets of the kids photo and Tselepi reference. His Lawyer working hard for him.

I am more fascinated by the actual information of him gathering intel on victims before the pounce. We know he does that. I can't imagine he started using the deH name just prior to the dentist trip though.

He used the deH name back in the days of Renov Pubs.

And while I dont doubt he gathered info on Marion before the pounce, I dont think it was the months prior.

I think this goes way back to his time in the UK, an associate of JW and a person connected to CdeH

JMO of course

 

[Podcast Tragic]

Can someone please remind me ....how many years did Marion teach at TSS? What year levels?

 

[KinseyFan]

There wouldn’t have been any financial benefit for him in using the Medicare card

Oh, good point. So it was either used by MB herself or fraudulently used by someone else as proof of life or proof of being in the country. Am I missing any options?

 

[MrsWattle]

This account was in a previous podcast and I think it is D and M who are the teens.
IMO
The date CdeH talks of isn't disclosed so if it was around the 90s the kids would be teens.

It is quite interesting though given that would place the whole family in Belgium in the 90s....and we did see the photograph of D with braces on.

And J is stating not to mention the kids and D for legal reasons. This might be why they cut parts in the recent Spotlight Program which had the snippets of the kids photo and Tselepi reference. His Lawyer working hard for him.

I am more fascinated by the actual information of him gathering intel on victims before the pounce. We know he does that. I can't imagine he started using the deH name just prior to the dentist trip though.

He used the deH name back in the days of Renov Pubs.

And while I dont doubt he gathered info on Marion before the pounce, I dont think it was the months prior.

I think this goes way back to his time in the UK, an associate of JW and a person connected to CdeH

JMO of course

Yes Thankyou that all makes sense now, I'd be going Bonkers without Mishy's input.

Can't they arrest him already.
What a creepy crazy jailbird.

 

[CuriousKat99]

Oh, good point. So it was either used by MB herself or fraudulently used by someone else as proof of life or proof of being in the country. Am I missing any options?

Those are the only two possibilities that I can think of.

 

[Littleguy7]

Those are the only two possibilities that I can think of.

Or identity theft. If her passport was used by someone else to enter the country the Medicare card could have been used as well. (not saying I think this is the situation, but it's a possibility)
I wonder what name the Medicare card was in.

 

[mishy66]

I wonder what name the Medicare card was in.

Marion Barter

 

[M0nnyka]

Wow… It has not been established that MB returned to withdraw the money from her account, what evidence of this do you have? Maybe I missed something…

Coercive control may have been behind all that ‘you see’, although you have not stated this in your theory. My grandmother went missing many, many years ago with a very controlling, dangerous conman who she’d was terrified of. He convinced her to leave her family, her 2 children and her home to go to the other side of the world. She was never able to get back home and she lived with that guilt her whole life, with her children never ever knowing what happened to their mother… they died not knowing the truth. I found them after 30 years, but it was too late.

I understand what you’re saying re the victim theory that no other avenues are explored due to tunnel vision and you are entitled to your opinion. I totally disagree and believe MB was at a very vulnerable stage of her life and RB exploited that vulnerability to the fullest extent. I don’t understand at all how one can come to the assumption that MB chose to disappear of her own volition and IMO, all of the evidence so far in the inquests supports the theory she was coerced, love bombed or whatever you like to call it, for the sole purpose of stealing her money.

Although murder may not be a part of RB’s MO, that we know of, IMO he is not telling the truth regarding his true involvement with MB and is hiding a huge portion of what he knows in relation to her disappearance.

All JMO.

Wow… It has not been established that MB returned to withdraw the money from her account
Hi Kaypee
Imo it is more credible that she returned for her money - it is more far fetched to me that someone impersonated her - I just think that is very risky…also the bank manager or ? Teller said she seemed airy fairy and mentioned she had “another name” The manager says she cannot remember that name she used <it’s possible that Florabella was a short lived name for her and if she returned to Europe or Asia etc post money she may have used a new name so leaving the country was not recorded. It is what RB would do - again not a popular idea but she may have learned some moves from RB

I understand coercive control toooo well unfortunately and the story you mention of your family is very sad and happens - so yes so with coercive control I don’t see mb being controlled when retrieving her own money - unless maybe RB had offered her a way to get her money overseas and that method may have lost Marion her money because RB is like a vacuum cleaner with other peoples money - sorry I wish I buy into the Marion as total victim thing but part victim I can buy into.

I am not sure MB was in a vulnerable place in her life but she may well have been under a lot of pressure to change her life - the realisation that the pilot was going to marry someone else - possible blackmail with the LG who lived on the school grounds and was a nightmare apparently to navigate his horridness and narcissistic ways. So my theory is that RB was a person who could enable her to do what she has /had set out to do - change her life leaving it all behind. I also think there is a possibility that her son may have got himself in some trouble and she tried to help but possibly but off more than she could chew and there was threats <<conjecture as I do not know what the son was like but on the coast at that time their was a lot of bikie gangs and they ruled “everything” especially tattoo salons and motorbike dealing etc
They just went into tattoo salons opened up by just normal you and me type couple and demand payments and if no pay they burn it down. So if threatened or in the wrong side of them it’s a no win get away at all costs situation. Just thinking out loud.
Then you have the school pressure - I don’t think MB was naive sexually - she’d been around a long time had a few husbands and even the best of us can be love bombed and fall for it but I just see her reasons for leaving stems from him - I see it either work related…or related to some situation that was untenable so the only way is to change one’s name and get away.
The sledged allegation about fiddling with a boy at school sounds to me to have come from the narcy LG and that would horrify someone in Mb,s position to the core - in a lot of ways there is no coming back from that even if the allegations were false it will do enough damage to ruin a person in their life as they know it - that would be a catylist to vamoose and reinvent one’s self imo

 

[MrsWattle]

I do wonder if Ilona's Hungarian family were friends with Claire de Héderváry in 1968 in Belgium. About the same time he registered Renov Pubs.

 

[mishy66]

I do wonder if Ilona's Hungarian family were friends with Claire de Héderváry in 1968 in Belgium. About the same time he registered Renov Pubs.

Me too @MrsWattle
That seems very likely

 

[RingoStarr]

I do wonder if Ilona's Hungarian family were friends with Claire de Héderváry in 1968 in Belgium. About the same time he registered Renov Pubs.

Or perhaps the connection could have been long before....

 

[CuriousKat99]

Or identity theft. If her passport was used by someone else to enter the country the Medicare card could have been used as well. (not saying I think this is the situation, but it's a possibility)
I wonder what name the Medicare card was in.

Yes, you’re right, the Medicare card (in the name of Marion Barter) could have been used by a new victim or an “associate”. Medicare cards don’t have photos and don’t require any other ID when being used so it wouldn’t matter that the passport was in a different name. I believe most European countries & the UK have a reciprocal Medicare agreement with Australia so probably still no financial benefit (unless of course there was a victim or associate from another country where there was no reciprocal agreement). Even with no financial benefit, it would enable an impersonator to access medical services incognito and at the same time provide evidence of a digital footprint for MB to delay and obstruct any investigation into MB’s disappearance.

 

[RingoStarr]

Yes, you’re right, the Medicare card (in the name of Marion Barter) could have been used by a new victim or an “associate”. Medicare cards don’t have photos and don’t require any other ID when being used so it wouldn’t matter that the passport was in a different name. I believe most European countries & the UK have a reciprocal Medicare agreement with Australia so probably still no financial benefit (unless of course there was a victim or associate from another country where there was no reciprocal agreement). Even with no financial benefit, it would enable an impersonator to access medical services incognito and at the same time provide evidence of a digital footprint for MB to delay and obstruct any investigation into MB’s disappearance.

Agree. Too much of a coincidence that this card was used in this time period, especially for this type of consultation.

A fair amount of planning has gone into its acquisition and eventual usage.

Must be big stakes at play.

 

[CuriousKat99]

This account was in a previous podcast and I think it is D and M who are the teens.
IMO
The date CdeH talks of isn't disclosed so if it was around the 90s the kids would be teens.

It is quite interesting though given that would place the whole family in Belgium in the 90s....and we did see the photograph of D with braces on.

And J is stating not to mention the kids and D for legal reasons. This might be why they cut parts in the recent Spotlight Program which had the snippets of the kids photo and Tselepi reference. His Lawyer working hard for him.

I am more fascinated by the actual information of him gathering intel on victims before the pounce. We know he does that. I can't imagine he started using the deH name just prior to the dentist trip though.

He used the deH name back in the days of Renov Pubs.

And while I dont doubt he gathered info on Marion before the pounce, I dont think it was the months prior.

I think this goes way back to his time in the UK, an associate of JW and a person connected to CdeH

JMO of course

It’s amazing how much time and effort he must have put into each one of the scams. When you add it all up, the financial return was relatively low, but I guess the motivation was just as much about power and control.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

Oh, good point. So it was either used by MB herself or fraudulently used by someone else as proof of life or proof of being in the country. Am I missing any options?

Also could have been an admin error on behalf of Medicare, ie something mis-filed or wrongly recorded?

Could have been a completely false visit report by Medicare (dunno if they would have anything to gain from that except some form of minimum charge fee claim)?

Could have been some form of telephone contact wrongly recorded as a physical visit?

Could have been a scammer trying to do a bit of digging to check if it's of some use anyhow?

Could have been a scammer checking the profile is active because they're using it to scaffold a fake ID?

Could have been a person who stole Marion's ID wanting to shut it down to ensure no ongoing contact?

Could have been a person who stole Marion's ID wanting to demonstrate proof of life?

Could have been a person who stole Marion's ID wanting to scope out the premises for stuff to steal?

 

[TootsieFootsie]

It’s amazing how much time and effort he must have put into each one of the scams. When you add it all up, the financial return was relatively low, but I guess the motivation was just as much about power and control.

He may have hit the jackpot on some of his "works" that we don't know about yet.

But for his victims it was all they had. He took the lot.

Not only did he want all they had. He wanted them left humiliated and heartbroken as well.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Also could have been an admin error on behalf of Medicare, ie something mis-filed or wrongly recorded?

Could have been a completely false visit report by Medicare (dunno if they would have anything to gain from that except some form of minimum charge fee claim)?

Could have been some form of telephone contact wrongly recorded as a physical visit?

Could have been a scammer trying to do a bit of digging to check if it's of some use anyhow?

Could have been a scammer checking the profile is active because they're using it to scaffold a fake ID?

Could have been a person who stole Marion's ID wanting to shut it down to ensure no ongoing contact?

Could have been a person who stole Marion's ID wanting to demonstrate proof of life?

Could have been a person who stole Marion's ID wanting to scope out the premises for stuff to steal?

It could also have simply been Marion. We just don't know.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

It’s amazing how much time and effort he must have put into each one of the scams. When you add it all up, the financial return was relatively low, but I guess the motivation was just as much about power and control.

I have thought this too. A friend recently did jury service on a case where numerous young intelligent people had scammed money in some sort of pyramid scheme which effectively meant they weren't even the ones who got the big money. They were convicted for several years each, a harsh sentence. The judge rightly pointed out that had they put the same amount of time, effort, and persuasive sales skills into a real job, they'd be doing well in this life.

I'm sure if AKA had devoted as much time, effort, travel, language skills, learning, arts knowledge, etc into doing something honourable, he could have had a wonderful life and be leaving his children happy memories and a father to be proud of. But no.

These kids have got to live with the fact that every fibre of their childhood is tainted, even dental treatment they had - the teeth in their very heads right this minute now - were interfered with by some scammer who robbed vulnerable older women and maybe even 'disappeared' them. A man who is meant to be their father. My god I would be going out of my mind and feeling sick at the thought.