Australia Australia - Marion Barter - Missing After Trip to UK - June 1997 #21

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I have no recollection of using a bank book in 1997. I most certainly had a card, a ”key card”, the old swipe system, I believe. I also had a pin number back then. From memory statements came via post. And I can remember using a very primitive phone banking to check balances. I also remember the bank having my signature at my local branch.

Haha I had to laugh , mine still come via post ..
I know I am showing my era

 

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There are no banking records available from 1997. Nothing! SL and the team have been very clear.
The only bits of information they have are from FOI police records - and that one phone call SL made to the bank.

All evidence is based upon the memory of those willing to give evidence at the inquest of the most likely banking procedures at the time and their recognition or possible recognition of MB.

The CBA refused to become involved - which was their right.

SL has maintained her Mum was old school and not tech savvy. A bankcard and her FNMR ID is no proof of not using a bank book. A bank book being the most likely 1997 scenario IF someone posed as MB. No ID required. If not the case, it leans more towards MB making the withdrawals by having to identify herself for every single transaction. IMO.

I am on the fence about who withdrew the money or did the transfer ,

I have been going with his own MO ...all other witnesses have said he went with them

So unless he changed that MO with MB because she wasn't there ....it could be either scenario

Marion alone
Marion with him

Least likely IMO ....Him and someone else

How doesnt really matter at this point ..its gone and so is Marion

 

[MrPickles]

Yes I personally believe 100% he held onto all documents - it was his MO as we have seen. Marion was no exception IMO.

I guess the SL team have to remain neutral in regard to who did the banking at this point. So they share what facts they can in relation to that.

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He stole Fernand’s identity. He withheld some of JO’s docs. the rest he left them broke. Close to penniless.

His story to women is of a life of grandeur - is the same. He chooses vulnerability to steal their life savings. He tried to hide evidence of being with them. It’s heinous! But to say it’s his MO to steal their identity Docs is not correct.

His MO is the grandeur and wealth to the lonely and vulnerable. He tell’s women what they want and need to hear. He steals the remainder of their sanity as a vulnerable human being. Far worse than their docs.

We’ve all heard strong Andree, Monique, Janet, he breaks their spirit of life and trust forever in the cruelest of ways. Some penniless, some not - but he broke them all.

 

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Just to get back on the correct track with Marion in that only her recent passport and the licenses being the only things changed to FNMR name.

Everything else was still in her Marion Barter name. Her bank accounts, her superannuation, her will, all other personal documents.

Yes i would agree he probably had her docs ..

It maybe possible they both had a hand in withdrawals ...transfer ...

Marion and RB both had the capacity ...

Did one have more opportunity than the other ..

or did both do some in different places ..

These scenarios of course if Marion was still able and keen ....she may not have left QLD she may have needed some money ,she may not have even been aware he was withdrawing initially

 

[TootsieFootsie]

But to say it’s his MO to steal their identity Docs is not correct.

No I don't agree with that.

 

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He stole Fernand’s identity. He withheld some of JO’s docs. the rest he left them broke. Close to penniless.

His story to women is of a life of grandeur - is the same. He chooses vulnerability to steal their life savings. He tried to hide evidence of being with them. It’s heinous! But to say it’s his MO to steal their identity Docs is not correct.

His MO is the grandeur and wealth to the lonely and vulnerable. He tell’s women what they want and need to hear. He steals the remainder of their sanity as a vulnerable human being. Far worse than their docs.

We’ve all heard strong Andree, Monique, Janet, he breaks their spirit of life and trust forever in the cruelest of ways. Some penniless, some not - but he broke them all.

yeah but the Docs are part of his MO as well,
Marion having her passport and international drivers license would have got her home if she needed ...he knew that I am guessing ...

 

[MrPickles]

No I don't agree with that.

Happy to be be corrected, Toots. Which part don’t you agree with? Obviously the money is number one. He gets his victims to withdraw it.

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[Housemartyn]

Why did Marion draw her own funds in such a fashion? It doesn't make any sense. I believe that it definitely wasn't her because there was simply no reason for her to do it that way.

 

[Housemartyn]

If AH accompanied Marion to the bank each time that would be far to risky. Still risky if Marion herself went because people would have seen her. Less risky to use a female imposter.

 

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Why did Marion draw her own funds in such a fashion? It doesn't make any sense. I believe that it definitely wasn't her because there was simply no reason for her to do it that way.

Yes very bizarre , I can see she might do the transfer but the $5,000 on all those days over 3 weeks does seem to point in his direction and the capacity to be 30 mins away to drive over and grab the days takings....still bizarre to think tellers wouldnt cotton on but i get the fact that they would not object to handing over someones money "if they verified on the first day "...who are they to ask , was the trust of the time ....if it came from machine we wouldnt be even asking the question ..

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Searching for Marion Barter: a daughter’s 25-year quest to find her missing mother

This year’s coronial inquest into the case has revealed more shocking detail. For those of us who have spent years looking for answers, it has been confronting and baffling

www.theguardian.com

The final woman, Janet Oldenburgh, told the inquest she was contacted by Rick West after her husband left her. After she was granted sole ownership of her home she said that West asked her to start a fresh life with him on the French Riviera. She told the coroner she had given him power of attorney over her “in case something happens” before they flew to Europe, with West carrying all of Oldenburgh’s identity documents and title deeds in a small tapestry bag.

They travelled to the same places that Barter’s postcards had come from, before she said West left her with a cousin in Manchester, claiming that he had urgent business elsewhere and then that he’d been robbed, was in hospital and all her documents had been stolen. When Oldenburgh rushed back to her house, after borrowing money from her cousin to return home (she said West was unable to get her a return flight for weeks), she said she found West there – without any sign of injury.


One of his victims who lost all her indentity documents to him.

So yes it is one of his Mo's

 

[Housemartyn]

Searching for Marion Barter: a daughter’s 25-year quest to find her missing mother

This year’s coronial inquest into the case has revealed more shocking detail. For those of us who have spent years looking for answers, it has been confronting and baffling

www.theguardian.com

The final woman, Janet Oldenburgh, told the inquest she was contacted by Rick West after her husband left her. After she was granted sole ownership of her home she said that West asked her to start a fresh life with him on the French Riviera. She told the coroner she had given him power of attorney over her “in case something happens” before they flew to Europe, with West carrying all of Oldenburgh’s identity documents and title deeds in a small tapestry bag.

They travelled to the same places that Barter’s postcards had come from, before she said West left her with a cousin in Manchester, claiming that he had urgent business elsewhere and then that he’d been robbed, was in hospital and all her documents had been stolen.

So yes it is one of his Mo's

Yes! And also was it 'Charlotte' who was morooned in Bali with no passport and no money?

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Yes! And also was it 'Charlotte' who was morooned in Bali with no passport and no money?

Yes I think so.

 

[Housemartyn]

It would take some 'contacts' and time to doctor a passport with a different photo. Hence the delay between Marion's arrival and the first money withdrawal.

 

[Kie22]

I think his MO is to read each situation, analyse his victim and adapt accordingly. He might convince someone to withdraw money and hand it straight to him or go to the bank with their card/docs and take it for himself, it really doesn't matter to him so long as the cash is flowing. Didn't GGB actually give him her bank card to use for starting up 'their' business?
Being flexible, even to the point of quickly disappearing if he senses he might be rumbled, is probably one of the keys to his success at getting away with it for so long.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

It would take some 'contacts' and time to doctor a passport with a different photo. Hence the delay between Marion's arrival and the first money withdrawal.

I feel quite sure that he may have even had a go at it himself.
Being a "photographer" and all.

Maybe that was behind wanting JO to dye her hair.

I still think there is some nefarious reason behind that request.

 

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Searching for Marion Barter: a daughter’s 25-year quest to find her missing mother

This year’s coronial inquest into the case has revealed more shocking detail. For those of us who have spent years looking for answers, it has been confronting and baffling

www.theguardian.com

The final woman, Janet Oldenburgh, told the inquest she was contacted by Rick West after her husband left her. After she was granted sole ownership of her home she said that West asked her to start a fresh life with him on the French Riviera. She told the coroner she had given him power of attorney over her “in case something happens” before they flew to Europe, with West carrying all of Oldenburgh’s identity documents and title deeds in a small tapestry bag.

They travelled to the same places that Barter’s postcards had come from, before she said West left her with a cousin in Manchester, claiming that he had urgent business elsewhere and then that he’d been robbed, was in hospital and all her documents had been stolen. When Oldenburgh rushed back to her house, after borrowing money from her cousin to return home (she said West was unable to get her a return flight for weeks), she said she found West there – without any sign of injury.


One of his victims who lost all her indentity documents to him.

So yes it is one of his Mo's

Yes he opened safety deposit boxes , dug holes in ground ,buried things ,shipped things off , and i recall others saying he looked after their paperwork...of course so they are safe with him,
Then he gets robbed and bashed sometimes too

 

[ruby925]

I feel quite sure that he may have even had a go at it himself.
Being a "photographer" and all.

Maybe that was behind wanting JO to dye her hair.

I still think there is some nefarious reason behind that request.

But he would have needed Marion's deed poll name change too as her passport and driving license was in the name of FNMR and her bank accounts still in the name of Barter.
I can understand him wanting Marion to dye her hair, new hair colour, new name etc more likely not to be recognised but no clue about the others.

 

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The thing with Marion at this stage that is different was the name change ,without it she would have been stranded in the UK or wherever as well

 

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I think his MO is to read each situation, analyse his victim and adapt accordingly. He might convince someone to withdraw money and hand it straight to him or go to the bank with their card/docs and take it for himself, it really doesn't matter to him so long as the cash is flowing. Didn't GGB actually give him her bank card to use for starting up 'their' business?
Being flexible, even to the point of quickly disappearing if he senses he might be rumbled, is probably one of the keys to his success at getting away with it for so long.

Totally true , adapting has to come in to it