Australia Australia - Marion Barter - Missing After Trip to UK - June 1997 #21

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

Evelyn and Sally joining together feels to me like a superpower has been birthed.

If only MC could authentically join in, it would be a holy trinity!
(no offence to religious people, I have my own firm spiritual beliefs)

 

[HinterlandObserver]

Hey did anyone compile the addresses mentioned in the inquest into a list at all?
I’m sure I’m missing a couple but I don’t have time at the moment to go back through and check the ones I have off.
I would greatly appreciate it sent to me if so!

 

[HinterlandObserver]

Just a question on starting the rewatch of the inquest:
If the coroners court cannot bring criminal charges against people of interest after testifying, does that also mean perjury cannot be charged either?

 

[centred]

The FB page have said it is not RB, there are plenty of unemphatic people around, even at the inquest the policewomen refer to Sally as "the daughter" the bank manager referring to MB as "a flip" so cringeworthy to most people but there are plenty of Aholes that are oblivious of the fact that they are Aholes

Aint that the truth ....Universal Medicine was mentioned , As far as I know, the only place that came up was on here in April ..

 

[centred]

hey haven’t rented all these years, they have owned homes. Diane testified that they built a house with the proceeds from her parents inheritance"" - SL Team


Just posting up all the addresses known so far for the pair of them - some I don't know so please add to the list if known:

1957
33 Rue Haute Marexhu, Herstal Belgium – address given in paper when he stole copper pipe


1959 / 64
227 Ave De La Couronne Belgium



1964 /67
20 Ave Nouvelle Belgium



1964 – 1967
WW working at Ets. Habils Wavre Belgium



1967 / 69
25 Rue Vandenbroeck Belgium


1968
46 Rue des Francs Etterbeek Belgium



1969
15 Avenue Henri Conscience,Overijse


1969
6 Gosbell St Paddington NSW


1971
23 Vaucluse Rd, Vaucluse (DWalker address)


1971
59 Dolphin Cres, Whale Beach (Fredy David) – an hr drive from Walkers and a 3 min drive to Barrenjoey Rd, Avalon Beach where Dianes sisters relatives lived and close to the house Surfer N.Y. built

*Penney family lived here in 1971
* Bernard Le B also lived here in 1969



1974 - fredy David arrives - address on passenger card
31/33 Sir Thomas Mitchell Rd, Bondi Beach
He spent 15 days here in Aust


1976 FEB - Citizenship is granted and an Australian passport is issued.
42 The Chase, Turramurra.


1976 Hazel Rd Tamborine Qld (Vacant land) - still owned it in 1981



1976 FEB / MARCH to 1977 - 303 Old South Head Road, Bondi Beach

Australia, Electoral Rolls, 1903-1980
Name
Frederick de HedervEry - NOTE E AT END INSTEAD OF A

DiaNe de HedervEry
1 / 303 Old South Head Rd



1977 / 1978 - 5 / 48 Towns Road Vaucluse – the same address when he returns for 5 days….



1980
Australia, Electoral Rolls, 1903-1980
Name
Frederick David De Hedervary - Note A at end of name not E this time
Male
Electoral Date
1980
Electoral Place
Rose Bay, Wentworth, New South Wales, Australia
Occupation listed as photographer

DianNe De HEDERVARY name listed - NOTE extra N back in name


1980 May – 33 Rusbrook Street Redlands

1980 August - Military Road Dover Heights NSW\

1981 January - 31 Slade Street Naremburn - around the cnr from Bongalong street

1981 May - 22 Rue des Muguete Itzig Luxembourg

1982 - 1984 - The years Blums were living in Burwash UK - Mottynsden Lodge, Spring Lane, Burwash UK


1985 / 1986 - 6A Rangers Rd Cremorne


1986 January - another address given- Ye Old Passy, Tamborine QLD


1986 October - 17 Linning St. Mt Warren Park - ( he came out from Germany)

LINNING UNIT BLOCK Brookchester Manor–
A LOOKUP to this company shows ABN postcode belonging to Bongalong Street Naremburn ( see 1981 ) and a postcode which links to Gold Coast, Greenslopes QLD and Luxembourg
It is an estate development called Brookchester Manor consisting of 61 "apartment" dwellings which were built in 1984. )


1987 Woodenbong - Diane claimed they purchased a house at Woodenbong using Diane's inheritance - her mother died Sept 1988!



1988 / 89 - HE BOUGHT AN APARTMENT in Cedar Crescent East Ballina - A BRAND NEW APARTMENT COMPLEX
THIS IS THE YEAR DIANES MOTHER DIES
and in same street Maite buys a home in 2000 = 3 / 48 to 50 Cedar Crescent


1990 - builds a house in Goonellabah, staying about 18mths - Hello Lismore Workers Club


1990 - 1992 1 Beach road, Midway Point Tasmania - half hour walk to Wrest Point Casino - sells the new home and moves to Tassie -the given reason was that she had an uncle who lived there and it was a cooler climate. *cough*
6 Jan 1990 - sold for 84,500

25 feb 1992 - sold for $83,200

fast getaway it seems......


At this point it was said he used a slightly variation to the last name of deHedervary - dropping the R at the end ( I think I have that correct from the MB page)



1993 - 16 Howard Crescent, Ballina - Reason she gave was for the kids to complete high school and swimming


LATE 1996, they moved to 8 Rubiton St, Wollongbar for 12 months - she can't remember why and that there was no specific reason


Late 1997
The dH family move from Wollongbar back to ‘The Terrace’, Ballina


1997 - 6/14 The Terrace, Ballina - she implies the reason is daughter is still in year 11

Angel Beach Lennox Heads - PO Box L51 – the Lennox Heads P.O. burnt down mid 1998

1999 – moved to another unit but in same property Angel Beach Lennox Heads


1999 Nymboida - tells JO he has property - this is BS


2000 - ( 3 YEARS AFTER MARION BARTER GOES MISSING)

Maite house purchase 25 Oct 2000– 3/48 to 50 Cedar Crescent East Ballina

2001 Sydney - Bondi Junction - Dianes says to look after daughters baby

2001 - Randwick - reason given was to be closer to their daughter who had gone there to work
(Found a D. Blum living at 35 Kenilworth St Bondi Junction = no idea if her)

Then to Caringbah - a suburb in Southern Sydney - with Daughter to help with kid
( Tradies Caringbah RSL IN 2006 when he swindled GD he gave Caringbah address)


? Waterloo - with Daughter

? Coorabell NSW


early 2000’s - Cessnock - reason was her sister was there and they didn't want to stay in Sydney anymore -close to Cessnock Leagues Club.

Well this part is interesting because Dianes sister was living in Cessnock but it was 2009 / 2010 so that isnt early 2000's and Dianes nephew was living there in 2005.....Or the sister owned the house then but didn't live there because by 1990s she had moved to Byron Bay.....


? / 2005 - Melbourne - Diane " a few years with Son who was at Uni"
David graduates Jan 2006 so he would have left Uni by end of 2005
I found a D.Blum at 23 DAVISON STREET RICHMOND - these are 1 BEDROOM units and close to the campus he would have gone to
I also found a C. STEIN 1 ROSSTOWN ROAD Carnegie – 2 BEDROOM UNITS - RIGHT beside Caulfield Racetrack

It could be they have the 1 bedroom unit for son and they are at the Carnegie Unit?

Perhaps these reasonings she gave for all the moves are the exact reasons she gave Centrelink each time they moved. It would be a playbook in her head. Moving to Melbourne " my son went to Uni there"


2006 Miami - Diane "sometime in 2006 because son worked up there after Uni" - hmmmmmmm
Mid 2009 until 2013 - MIAMI - 1/71 Nobby pde


2017- Suffolk Park NSW - PO BOX 243 SUFFOLK PARK is the address for UFO trademark - (same PO BOX for Nyrie Scobie caught up in the scam nail drying company)


2022 - 3 Fry St, East Ballina NSW - It was purchased in 2021 - Maite listed as owner of property





Hey did anyone compile the addresses mentioned in the inquest into a list at all?
I’m sure I’m missing a couple but I don’t have time at the moment to go back through and check the ones I have off.
I would greatly appreciate it sent to me if so!

A post by Mishy ...hope it helps

 

[KiwiNZ]

Aint that the truth ....Universal Medicine was mentioned , As far as I know, the only place that came up was on here in April ..

possibly the UK women who specialises in batsht crazy conspiracy theories, I know she has been bothering SL for a while and posts about Marion on her own page, thinks she was killed by a serial killer in the UK along with other people, she was on here for awhile but didn't last long

 

[HinterlandObserver]

A post by Mishy ...hope it helps

Soooooo much, I totally forgot about this wonderful post! Thank you

 

[centred]

possibly the UK women who specialises in batsht crazy conspiracy theories, I know she has been bothering SL for a while and posts about Marion on her own page, thinks she was killed by a serial killer in the UK along with other people, she was on here for awhile but didn't last long

The liver scans and the other suggestion about the reason was discussed here around the same date last November 11 th as per the message shared by MPMB page, so yes ideas and imaginations can go wild on here at times ..I dont know whether it was that person you refer too, it was a short conversation

 

[Housemartyn]

The FB page have said it is not RB, there are plenty of unemphatic people around, even at the inquest the policewomen refer to Sally as "the daughter" the bank manager referring to MB as "a flip" so cringeworthy to most people but there are plenty of Aholes that are oblivious of the fact that they are Aholes

Unempathetic - lots of people are but not like AKA. Honestly I've never heard such nasty filth. Victim blaming to the core.

 

[mishy66]

A post by Mishy ...hope it helps

Australia - Australia - Marion Barter - Missing After Trip to UK - June 1997 #18

""They haven’t rented all these years, they have owned homes. Diane testified that they built a house with the proceeds from her parents inheritance"" - SL Team Just posting up all the addresses known so far for the pair of them - some I don't know so please add to the list if known: 1957 33...

www.websleuths.com

Just clarifying you actually have my post on the address list AND THEN Hinterlands all in one on that post you did here.

The BOTTOM paragraph on your post is Hinterlands Question. It is not something I posted

Its always best to post the original thread so as NOT to confuse who said what for others reading.

 

[mishy66]

Hey did anyone compile the addresses mentioned in the inquest into a list at all?
I’m sure I’m missing a couple but I don’t have time at the moment to go back through and check the ones I have off.
I would greatly appreciate it sent to me if so!

A few more to add to that list

 

[mishy66]

Aint that the truth ....Universal Medicine was mentioned , As far as I know, the only place that came up was on here in April

Hmmmm. That is incorrect

Universal Medicine was actually on the MBFB Page

Which LED to discussion about it here.

 

[centred]

Australia - Australia - Marion Barter - Missing After Trip to UK - June 1997 #18

""They haven’t rented all these years, they have owned homes. Diane testified that they built a house with the proceeds from her parents inheritance"" - SL Team Just posting up all the addresses known so far for the pair of them - some I don't know so please add to the list if known: 1957 33...

www.websleuths.com

Just clarifying you actually have my post on the address list AND THEN Hinterlands all in one on that post you did here.

The BOTTOM paragraph on your post is Hinterlands Question. It is not something I posted

Its always best to post the original thread so as NOT to confuse who said what for others reading.

Your welcome

 

[ruby925]

Thinking about pensions and social security benefits. Here in UK, the tax office would be very interested in someone's lifestyle that was beyond their declared earnings/income and also social security. Is it the same in Australia that the authorities could do a deep financial dive to ascertain fraudulent activity where this is concerned? Also, are benefits such as a Belgian disability pension and Australian Centrelink payments not paid directly into a bank account now? And all inheritance money has to be declared and/or taxed above a certain amount? My hope is the authorities in more than one country are now (albeit late) conducting investigations into this, as it could be that a money trail/purchases would lead back to Marion re amount and timeline. JMO.

 

[MrPickles]

Thinking about pensions and social security benefits. Here in UK, the tax office would be very interested in someone's lifestyle that was beyond their declared earnings/income and also social security. Is it the same in Australia that the authorities could do a deep financial dive to ascertain fraudulent activity where this is concerned? Also, are benefits such as a Belgian disability pension and Australian Centrelink payments not paid directly into a bank account now? And all inheritance money has to be declared and/or taxed above a certain amount? My hope is the authorities in more than one country are now (albeit late) conducting investigations into this, as it could be that a money trail/purchases would lead back to Marion re amount and timeline. JMO.

Times have thankfully changed a lot in Australia over the years.

Centrelink is now connected to services such as Medicare, Australian Taxation Office, Child Support Services etc. It is called ‘My Gov’
Share Registries (Stock Market) is also available to accountants via the taxation portal. Basically - nearly everything you do, banking etc is connected via your tax file number, including property purchases. Centrelink payments are debited into your bank account fortnightly. Any international pension payments must be declared - any external payment deducts your AU pension by a certain ratio.

My son who is on a disability pension recently travelled to Bali. The date he left Australia was listed in his ‘My Gov’ Centrelink account (without him informing Centrelink) in connection to his ‘smart’ passport leaving the country. When he returned - it was once again listed in his ‘My Gov’ account. You can only leave the country for a certain amount of time without losing your AU fortnightly payment. I hope this answers most of you questions.

 

[wallyworld]

The date he left Australia was listed in his ‘My Gov’ Centrelink account (without him informing Centrelink) in connection to his ‘smart’ passport leaving the country. When he returned - it was once again listed in his ‘My Gov’ account. You can only leave the country for a certain amount of time without losing your AU fortnightly payment.

Just did a quick Google search on MyGov and it was launched in 2013 (Background of MyGov), however, MYGOV ACCOUNTS ARE NOT COMPULSORY. I would bet my last dollar that AKA would work on the principle of taking the non-compulsory option. Not that it would make much difference as he chose who he wanted to be when he flew in and out of the country. (Pick a passport, any passport )

Also thought I would park this link here for anyone who may know of someone committing Centrelink fraud - after all we all know someone!!!!

Centrelink-Report a Suspected Fraud- You do not have to provide us with your name and contact details Online Reporting

 

[MrPickles]

Just did a quick Google search on MyGov and it was launched in 2013 (Background of MyGov), however, MYGOV ACCOUNTS ARE NOT COMPULSORY. I would bet my last dollar that AKA would work on the principle of taking the non-compulsory option. Not that it would make much difference as he chose who he wanted to be when he flew in and out of the country. (Pick a passport, any passport )

Also thought I would park this link here for anyone who may know of someone committing Centrelink fraud - after all we all know someone!!!!

Centrelink-Report a Suspected Fraud- You do not have to provide us with your name and contact details Online Reporting

Whether or not someone chooses to download the My Gov app or via a computer - all services are now linked. As another example, you can work part time and still receive a government payment. Each fortnight you must report the amount of hours you have worked and monies paid. If one chose to lie in regards to hours worked you’d still get busted at the end of financial year due to employment taxation records.

Smart passports were introduced at least more than 11 years ago, as I’m a more than a year into my second smart passport. One would suspect a certain person well and truly lost the ability to travel using multiple identities some time ago (likely around 2013 or 14) Hence the reason he hasn’t left the country for some time.
No reason one couldn’t have altered their MO slightly to continue their activities within Australia though.

 

[ruby925]

Thank you @MrPickles and @wallyworld for that info. Unlikely then that everything was connected in the timeframe of RB's 'travelling' years, but I hope any pertinent records still exist in dusty files and microfiches etc. Also, to keep the Belgian authorities up to date with all the name changes for the disability pension would have been virtually impossible, so I wonder how that was paid, into which bank account etc?
Boris Becker's tax fraud put him in jail in UK, he was then deported under an early release scheme and is now living back in Germany. Am I wrong in hoping a deal can be done so that info on Marion's time in Europe can be submitted?

 

[MrPickles]

Thank you @MrPickles and @wallyworld for that info. Unlikely then that everything was connected in the timeframe of RB's 'travelling' years, but I hope any pertinent records still exist in dusty files and microfiches etc. Also, to keep the Belgian authorities up to date with all the name changes for the disability pension would have been virtually impossible, so I wonder how that was paid, into which bank account etc?
Boris Becker's tax fraud put him in jail in UK, he was then deported under an early release scheme and is now living back in Germany. Am I wrong in hoping a deal can be done so that info on Marion's time in Europe can be submitted?

One can only hope, Ruby. It’s likely possible any Belgium payments always remained under his former Gendarmerie identity. Different to his Australian identities.

 

[CuriousKat99]

Thinking about pensions and social security benefits. Here in UK, the tax office would be very interested in someone's lifestyle that was beyond their declared earnings/income and also social security. Is it the same in Australia that the authorities could do a deep financial dive to ascertain fraudulent activity where this is concerned? Also, are benefits such as a Belgian disability pension and Australian Centrelink payments not paid directly into a bank account now? And all inheritance money has to be declared and/or taxed above a certain amount? My hope is the authorities in more than one country are now (albeit late) conducting investigations into this, as it could be that a money trail/purchases would lead back to Marion re amount and timeline. JMO.

Australia doesn’t have any inheritance tax, and an inheritance would not impact on his Australian welfare payments as it is not considered to be income. In terms of assets, Australian pension recipients in a couple currently (this amount is indexed every year) are able to own their own home plus have $AUD451.5K in cash before the pension is reduced. These are probably the principal reasons for him using “inheritance” as the description each time he entered Australia. It appears that European countries, including Belgium, do have inheritance taxes. Maybe this is the reason for the substantial tax debt against ER’s name in Belgium. A deep financial dive definitely needs to be made.