Australia Australia - Marion Barter - Missing After Trip to UK - June 1997 #22

[mishy66]

"Someone's been using my name"!!!
RENOV PUBS = Shell company for hiding stolen money.
A forensic accountant needs to investigate, just hope they will...

Money laundering service
What it does show is he has money tied up somewhere offshore perhaps given its beem the one constant.
And remember all that debt he signed to Evelyns name, 300K?

 

[LetsSolvIt]

<… snipped for brevity …> I read that the book is the TLV way of recouping some of the money spent and that the money raised on these talks S & J are hosting, their go fund me page a while back set up to raise funds for the flights, the T -Shirts being sold etc etc etc will be money spent of the OS trip - it has kind of become a 'show' of it own [BBM]

Kind of sad really. There was an obvious fracture last year on the pages - you could see it in the comments from J.
Personally I think a clash of the Lions in each camp.
Even in the accuracy of the story, it was difficult because at times both camps told differing 'truths'. Makes it hard to know what is really accurate given this whole case is filled with lies and holes by RB.

But without TLV team there is no way they could have got to where they are today. I think Sally is forever grateful for the TLV team and still very much a team there. JMO on what I have read

This is a classic example of money is the root of all evil - at the end of the day, money is always going to trump.

Sad to see it all end up like this.

Concerning the bolded paragraph, I’m not understanding. Would you mind unraveling? Thank you

It may be all the name abbreviations or background I don’t have from Facebook (not on SM), or that I’m in America, but I’m confused by who you are saying is aligned with whom and how each is moving forward now.

 

[mishy66]

Concerning the bolded paragraph, I’m not understanding. Would you mind unraveling? Thank you

It may be all the name abbreviations or background I don’t have from Facebook (not on SM), or that I’m in America, but I’m confused by who you are saying is aligned with whom and how each is moving forward now.

The discussion is about the TLV team and the MB FB team
One has written a book to recoup funds and donate a portion to a victim and the other is doing speaking engagements and selling Tshirts etc etc
Both FB pages have all the details

 

[LetsSolvIt]

The discussion is about the TLV team and the MB FB team
One has written a book to recoup funds and donate a portion to a victim and the other is doing speaking engagements and selling Tshirts etc etc
Both FB pages have all the details

Thank you! I don’t use Facebook, which I know would help.

The old TV podcast group (A Lady Vanishes) are writing the book independent of SL and Joni?
And J & Sally are doing the speaking with related merch?
There was some reason they decided to split, but we aren’t sure why?
Do we know how SL feels about the book?

 

[mishy66]

All of the discussions are on the FBPages, so we are only going on that .
TLV have already written the book. Im sure SL is part of all that.

How she feels, ?? You'd have to ask her that Q

 

[sah10406]

I'm hoping Sally and Joni can do their own podcast, it's Sally's story after all. If they do, it will definitely be much better than TLV.

In the last episode of TLV Brian Seymour is talking to SL about her future plans and he says something like "We'll be listening". It did seem an odd comment and he seemed to mean it literally, so maybe that is an accidental spoiler for a new podcast.

Or maybe I am over-thinking it...

 

[Deleted member 83851]

I think the TLV team and Sally and Joni have kept remarkably down-to-earth through the podcast years. In my opinion Sally is trying to keep her mother’s name out there and takes every opportunity to do so. Because the general public is notoriously fickle and speaking of squirrels (squirrel!) are quickly diverted. However we have learned this case backwards and forwards and I for one am going to “keep listening” too! It’s great there is a book coming out and there is certainly more out there for more books. We know that!

 

[mishy66]

"Someone's been using my name"!!!
RENOV PUBS = Shell company for hiding stolen money.
A forensic accountant needs to investigate, just hope they will...

You would have thought that Law Enforcement would have been all over this company. The fact so little still seems to be known about this company I find very strange.

ALL TIED INTO HIS TIDY LITTLE STAMP BUSINESS IS STILL MY GUESS.

All the threads are starting to tie up into a nice bow

 

[wallyworld]

Laura Richards will also do a summary of the Inquest findings.

"I just listened to the final The Lady Vanishes episode about the Findings from the Coroners Inquest. I have to say I got choke up at the end.

In 2019 when I was first asked to analyze Marion’s case barely anyone knew about Marion. Now they do thanks to Alison, Bryan & team The Lady Vanishes & the amazing warrior & shero Sally.

Sally always knew her mother would not have left her and Owen. New South Wales Police dismissed her concerns & failed to investigate.

In fact it was worse than that, they marked her up as located & told Sally & Owen she didn’t want them in her life. Owen ended his life because of what they told him.

Sally has never received an apology from New South Wales Police. I believe it’s time she did. There was no investigation for more than 10 years. Vital evidence was lost which has had a catastrophic impact on the case.

I have more to say & will drop an episode once I have analysed & processed the 168 page Coroner’s Findings Report.

Marion deserved so much better as does Sally & family."

So so true - The Byron Bay NSW Police should be held accountable for their actions. Haven't even given an apology to Sally Leydon. Hopefully there are grounds to sue them, if thats at all possible.

Yes..... to ALL of your post

 

[wallyworld]

I think the TLV team and Sally and Joni have kept remarkably down-to-earth through the podcast years. In my opinion Sally is trying to keep her mother’s name out there and takes every opportunity to do so. Because the general public is notoriously fickle and speaking of squirrels (squirrel!) are quickly diverted. However we have learned this case backwards and forwards and I for one am going to “keep listening” too! It’s great there is a book coming out and there is certainly more out there for more books. We know that!

We all need to keep promoting this case until Sally finds the answer she deserves.
AND.... RB needs to be dealt with by all of the authorities for the crimes that he has committed.

 

[mishy66]

Round and Round the mulberry bush!

Setting a place for V. Ware yet again. All roads led to 'ware' is he....

@Lord Peter Flimsy Dover hits the nail on the head yet again.

 

[Liselle]

I have forgotten how this played out, please help!
At Point 124 of the Coroner’s Findings Report, stating that JL of the Federal Police informed GC of Byron Bay Police that MB had returned to Australia on the 2 August 1997 …… how was this known as MB (left and) returned on the Florabella Remakel passport and this name was unknown at the time?

 

[mishy66]

I have forgotten how this played out, please help!
At Point 124 of the Coroner’s Findings Report, stating that JL of the Federal Police informed GC of Byron Bay Police that MB had returned to Australia on the 2 August 1997 …… how was this known as MB (left and) returned on the Florabella Remakel passport and this name was unknown at the time?

This is one of the reasons why I believe she didnt make those withdrawals or even come back into Australia

Her bank accounts were in the MB name, like everything else, aside from her new PP and DL

She would have needed to show her Change of Identity with her new name of FR IF she was in the bank withdrawing money everyday.

UNLESS she had on her ALL of her MB identification when she arrived back.

If that was the case and she had all her MB ID in her wallet with her FR DL and PP, WHY would she be covering her tracks with a brand new ID and go to such great lengths hiding everything she did prior, when it would have been so easy to find out who she was should she accidentally loose her wallet / handbag with all her IDs in it???

IMO after being so secretive leading up to the trip, Marion wouldn't be so naive to leave her MB ID's in such an obvious place

As all the victims have said , AH held onto their documents and BOTH he and Diane have said he fills out the passenger cards and holds onto them.

Someone withdrew the money using her MB ID.

As you said, no one knew her new name in 1997 aside from 2 people.

 

[Liselle]

This is one of the reasons why I believe she didnt make those withdrawals or even come back into Australia

Her bank accounts were in the MB name, like everything else, aside from her new PP and DL

She would have needed to show her Change of Identity with her new name of FR IF she was in the bank withdrawing money everyday.

UNLESS she had on her ALL of her MB identification when she arrived back.

If that was the case and she had all her MB ID in her wallet with her FR DL and PP, WHY would she be covering her tracks with a brand new ID and go to such great lengths hiding everything she did prior, when it would have been so easy to find out who she was should she accidentally loose her wallet / handbag with all her IDs in it???

As all the victims have said , AH held onto their documents and BOTH he and Diane have said he fills out the passenger cards and holds onto them.

Someone withdrew the money using her MB ID.

As you said, no one knew her new name in 1997 aside from 2 people.

EXACTLY @mishy66! How did the Coroner come to this conclusion? I have also found other "pertinent" aspects in the findings, that are STILL questionable.

 

[Podcast Tragic]

This is one of the reasons why I believe she didnt make those withdrawals or even come back into Australia

Her bank accounts were in the MB name, like everything else, aside from her new PP and DL

She would have needed to show her Change of Identity with her new name of FR IF she was in the bank withdrawing money everyday.

UNLESS she had on her ALL of her MB identification when she arrived back.

If that was the case and she had all her MB ID in her wallet with her FR DL and PP, WHY would she be covering her tracks with a brand new ID and go to such great lengths hiding everything she did prior, when it would have been so easy to find out who she was should she accidentally loose her wallet / handbag with all her IDs in it???

IMO after being so secretive leading up to the trip, Marion wouldn't be so naive to leave her MB in such an obvious place

As all the victims have said , AH held onto their documents and BOTH he and Diane have said he fills out the passenger cards and holds onto them.

Someone withdrew the money using her MB ID.

As you said, no one knew her new name in 1997 aside from 2 people.

So who do you think flew in on the Flora Bella passport? I have always doubted it was Marion making the withdrawals.

 

[mishy66]

EXACTLY @mishy66! How did the Coroner come to this conclusion? I have also found other "pertinent" aspects in the findings, that are STILL questionable.

I guess we have to remember that the Coroner’s findings were concluded with the evidence she was presented with from all parties.
Its not her job to determine what actually did happen in detail as far as who was responsible.- although she did make her thoughts crystal clear Thats the detectives job to actually sift through every scrap of evidence, some yet unknown for sure, and to hopefully set a trial date to bring him / them all to justice.

I think this is why SL and J are heading OS with everything they know, more than what has been revealed in public IMO , and present more facts to the investigation team.

When you look at every arm of this tangled octopus that he has created, it would take yrs to unravel.

But I really do believe that Marion will one day be found and that AH will be buried in the quagmire of his BS.

 

[mishy66]

So who do you think flew in on the Flora Bella passport? I have always doubted it was Marion making the withdrawals.

No idea. But he is a criminal, well versed in forging documents, he even said so proudly himself. IMO he sold her PP to someone wanting entry into Australia.
He did the same thing himself in 1969 when he entered Australia as WW and again as FD.

He knows the system. He knows ALL the systems.

IMO he is like a wasp.

He built nests in various pockets around the world as safety blankets when he was kicked out of Belgium. The UK. France. Australia. Italy possibly.
He flies off to do his stings and comes back to the confines of his nest whereever that happens to be.

i would not be surprised if he has had a female in each of those ports over the yrs to help him, just like his wife here in Australia

Ive always said he is no lone wolf. I know thats not a popular opinion but IMO he has his team of trusty men.

Someone knows something about what happened to poor Marion!!!!

 

[Liselle]

Point 76 of Coroner’s Findings - IIRC, MB's application for Change of Name, was presented and shown on the AV screen during the hearings. It was witnessed and signed by two females (possibly teacher colleagues) which IMO, differs from there being no evidence that anyone was aware of this. Any recollections??

 

[Liselle]

Point 218 of Coroner’s Findings - b/s (expletive!)! Not for a nanosecond do I believe this. Keep looking, investigators! There are examples of unisex names - Marion, Peta, Alex, Kerry, Kris, etc. If only a warrant to search had been deployed earlier.

 

[mishy66]

Point 76 of Coroner’s Findings - IIRC, MB's application for Change of Name, was presented and shown on the AV screen during the hearings. It was witnessed and signed by two females (possibly teacher colleagues) which IMO, differs from there being no evidence that anyone was aware of this. Any recollections??

MB dentist also signed off on her new name on her PP
The dentist said he vaguely remembered the FR name because it was unique but couldn't remember MB even though she was a patient of his.

One of her sisters said she wasn’t aware of any name change Marion did.

Doing a name change in Aust back then was easy as. You didn't even really need to do an application for Deed Poll change - although Marion did.

SL did say when MB was with her father MB still legally used the name Marion Warren - and asked to be put on SL birth cert as M. Brown


IMO MB was a perfect candidate for the likes of AH