Australia Australia - Marion Barter - Missing After Trip to UK - June 1997 #22

[mishy66]

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Yep I totally am in agreement with you that imho someone was fraudulently withdrawing her money using her documents or her card or both.

I likewise agree it’s BS that cops/bank staff/anyone ever spoke to Marion and she told them she wanted to be left alone. I agree with what I’ve read you say before about the bank staff and Links to other players in this story.

I swear im not being daft about this, I just thought that the original question was about something different, not about the inquiry to the bank but about the inquiry on the same day to the AFP because Lisette mentioned specifically finding 124:

“Counsel Assisting and the Family both submitted that it was likely Mr Childs who made the inquiries with John Lewis from the Australian Federal Police on 22 October 1997 [the same day they reported her missing/ GC recorded an ‘occurrence’] in BB and was informed that Marion had returned to Australia on 2 August 1997. Sally gave considerable evidence on the topic of how and when she was informed that her mother had returned from overseas. Counsel Assisting and the Family also both submitted that it was likely that it was Mr Childs who informed Sally that her mother had returned to Australia on 2 August 1997 (either on 22 October or on a later date in a telephone call).

Mr Childs submitted that there is insufficient evidence to support a finding that he was the person who contacted Australian Federal Police officer, John Lewis, and that he informed Sally that Marion had returned to Australia either on 22 October 1997 or subsequently.

The COPS records show that Mr Childs made two 'action' entries in the COPS system at 2:40pm, stating that he had made enquiries with the State Bank Byron Bay and that he had made enquiries with Mr Lewis at the Australian Federal Police. He had a period of 82 minutes in which he could have don this, between 1:15pm and 2:37 pm.

124. [This was the bit Lisette asked about] Accordingly, I accept that it was Mr Childs who made the inquiries with Mr Lewis from the Australian Federal Police on 22 October 1997 and was informed that Marion had returned to Australia on 2 August 1997.”

I thought the question was, essentially, how did the AFP know that she returned? The name change wasn’t known yet. There was discussion about this at some point. The AFP couldn’t have gotten the return date of Aug 2 from the bank - could they? That’s a separate line of enquiry, and the date was based on what?

The findings don’t illuminate as to whether John Lewis is dead or ever existed and I I recall speculation here as to whether her passport would have registered with the AFP despite name change or whether GC maybe just made it up and entered it in there. Moo.

Maybe the AFP don’t disclose how they knew things like that back then.

We know what the reports says. We've all read it numerous times.
Again, they DIDNT know about the name change then. They are referring to "Marion" .

SL reported her missing on 20 October, after Owens bday. SL told BB police that her mother was suppose to be overseas but money was being taken out of her account in BB.

GC date in his report is incorrect.
And there is mountains of info here on GC.
We all know he didnt do his job and will hopefully also be investigated.

And numerous findings in the report that dont aligned with SL own investigaation. As stated by the Coroner she only agreed with some of the evidence SL presented

 

[mishy66]

We know what the reports says. We've all read it numerous times.
Again, they DIDNT know about the name change then. They are referring to "Marion" .

SL reported her missing on 20 October, after Owens bday. SL told BB police that her mother was suppose to be overseas but money was being taken out of her account in BB.

GC date in his report is incorrect.
And there is mountains of info here on GC.
We all know he didn't do his job and will hopefully also be investigated.

TO ADD:
IMO
GC HAD DECIDED OF HIS OWN ACCORD THAT MARION HAD ARRIVED BACK BECAUSE OF THE ACTIVITY GOING ON IN HER BANK ACCOUNT OF WHICH, SL HAD REPORTED TO BB POLICE
A week or so after SL reporting this to the BB police (on 20 October) - she gets a call from BB police stating MB has been located and didnt want anyone to know where she was or what she was doing.

G Sheehan told the inquest that he looked into the case and told SL in 2011 that her mother had changed her name and returned to Australia on August 2 1997 He said he didn’t tell SL MB new name or where the information came from because that was confidential he said.

SL found out through a friend who was helping her

 

[Laidback]

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He said he didn’t tell SL MB new name or where the information came from because that was confidential he said.

SL found out through a friend who was helping her"

I thought he 'accidently on purpose' left a page on her table from which she read the name change?

 

[mishy66]

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He said he didn’t tell SL MB new name or where the information came from because that was confidential he said.

SL found out through a friend who was helping her"

I thought he 'accidently on purpose' left a page on her table from which she read the name change?

yep!

SL custom officer friend did the search and confirmed her passport had returned to the country - with MB previous names coming up on the passport

GS on the 2nd investigation revealed her new name change for a sneaky eye view

All breaches of the privacy act

Like SO much of this case - 6 OF 1 , half dozen of the other - little things like this doesn't matter in the BIG scheme of things GIVEN the APPALLING police investigation carried out at the time SL reported her mother missing decades ago!

We could nit pick our way through all the failings by Australian Authorities since he arrived in 1969 but I would rather find information that may help the case going forward.

JMO

 

[Liselle]

Point 352 of Coroner’s Findings - JO was asked to dye her hair blonde for a passport photo and there is a certain lady in Europe with blonde hair who could dishonestly use this passport. This gives additional weight to a dark haired woman using the Florabella passport to enter Australia. Where could this passport be and whose photo does it show?

 

[*juniper*]

TO ADD:
IMO
GC HAD DECIDED OF HIS OWN ACCORD THAT MARION HAD ARRIVED BACK BECAUSE OF THE ACTIVITY GOING ON IN HER BANK ACCOUNT OF WHICH, SL HAD REPORTED TO BB POLICE

Out of interest - how did GC know that Marion returned to Australia on 2 August 1997, so that he was able to include this date in his COPS report of 22 October 1997?

 

[ruby925]

Out of interest - how did GC know that Marion returned to Australia on 2 August 1997, so that he was able to include this date in his COPS report of 22 October 1997?

I can't find any relevant posts, but I think it has been discussed previously that the Marion Barter name would always be linked to the FNMR name on some government type databases? So that if someone did a search for MB entering Australia, the FNMR passport would pop up. If so, did the police know from 1997 of the name change and decided from that info that Marion didn't want to be in touch with family etc?

 

[KathPlumber]

Out of interest - how did GC know that Marion returned to Australia on 2 August 1997, so that he was able to include this date in his COPS report of 22 October 1997?

Literally what I’ve been asking all day

 

[mishy66]

I can't find any relevant posts, but I think it has been discussed previously that the Marion Barter name would always be linked to the FNMR name on some government type databases? So that if someone did a search for MB entering Australia, the FNMR passport would pop up. If so, did the police know from 1997 of the name change and decided from that info that Marion didn't want to be in touch with family etc?

Out of interest - how did GC know that Marion returned to Australia on 2 August 1997, so that he was able to include this date in his COPS report of 22 October 1997?

SO many appalling and differing notes taken by NSW police after a family member goes to report their loved one missing.

He got the information from the AFP Lewis is my guess - not a made up person BTW

Maybe related to another Lewis of police fame ?

Between GC at the BB police station and old mate Higgins at the bank around the cnr there is 100 reasons to doubt who said what and when.

IMO AH knows GH and the bank knew there might be Qs asked at some point so a story was already to go once Qs started, which btw wasn't until October when SL went searching.
It would be so handy for AH to have a good friend who worked in a bank in his local area

As a side note: This case has sooooo many "coincidences" - like the lewis name for example
That name Lewis comes up so many times connected to so many people around AH general area.

 

[mishy66]

Literally what I’ve been asking all day

You should have just said so lol.
Your post had so many paths

 

[KathPlumber]

You should have just said so lol.
Your post had so many paths

Sorry, was up with kid who wasn’t sleeping overnight and I kept getting pulled away mid task. I feel embarrassed now, it all made sense when I was writing it

 

[HinterlandObserver]

Sorry, was up with kid who wasn’t sleeping overnight and I kept getting pulled away mid task. I feel embarrassed now, it all made sense when I was writing it

omg I’m the same, WS is a saviour for sanity through wakes and feeds!

 

[mishy66]

Sorry, was up with kid who wasn’t sleeping overnight and I kept getting pulled away mid task. I feel embarrassed now, it all made sense when I was writing it

No its ok. This case is totally bizarre and has so many arms and legs.

If you look at what @ruby925 has said and then what has been discussed not only in your own post and the comments after.....you might have to read between the lines.....
The JL person has been discussed here a number times in the past but all have been removed - funny that....so just trying to stick with GC and GH - if you look at day 1 of inquest again you will see for yourself how that return date came about.

As we all keep saying NSW police and QLD police throughout 1980s /1990s were corrupt - its well documented online.

The day SL walked into that police station she was let down by the very system that was set up to assist the public and fast forward to the present day and the NSW police are still blaming SL for her mothers disappearance.

 

[VisitorDog]

Sorry, was up with kid who wasn’t sleeping overnight and I kept getting pulled away mid task. I feel embarrassed now, it all made sense when I was writing it

I understood what you were asking, I just didn’t have an answer as wonder the same thing. It made sense, no need to be embarrassed, I found you pretty clear.

 

[mishy66]

I understood what you were asking, I just didn’t have an answer as wonder the same thing. It made sense, no need to be embarrassed, I found you pretty clear.

Yes it was probably just me down too many rabbit holes!

 

[KathPlumber]

omg I’m the same, WS is a saviour for sanity through wakes and feeds!

thanks to WS I can do it all one handed

 

[VisitorDog]

Yes it was probably just me down too many rabbit holes!

There are many, many, rabbit holes, this case is a warren full of them!!

 

[sah10406]

Livestream of SL and JC's Brisbane event is about to start. Breakfast time where I am.

 

[sah10406]

Player is very glitchy. It went down after a few seconds. Need to keep opening in a new browser.

 

[Housemartyn]

It's that last tantalising phonecall to Sally by Marion..
She was worried that she had been caught up in the avalanche. Not the actions of someone who wants nothing to do with her family...
The fact Marion says that Sally won't hear from her for a while but not to worry..
What had Marion been told was going to be happening going forward..what lies had been told at that stage?
Sally thinks that definitely was Marion's handwriting on the arrivals card. I do too. Purely because of the big tick in the "married" box - Marion was happy to now be "married"
So many questions, probably never to be answered...
Where was Marion phoning from?
Where are you Marion?