Australia Australia - Marion Barter - Missing After Trip to UK - June 1997 #23

[Carovb5]

Well we all know what a liar he is

He got the quote directly from the Irwin Shaw book The Young Lions
CarovB found it back in the day.

He also plagiarised this part in his letter to her. I think CarovB found it too.

"Frederick was perturbed when admitting to himself how little he knew of feminine psychology. An intelligent woman like his wife would have talked nineteen to the dozen, noted voice inflection, eyes and mouth expression..."

Book is Venom House by Arthur Upfield


Just like he plagiarised the Scientology teachings for his alias ZZ


Just like how he set a blueprint for his scheming lying adventures by following the story of DCOD some 30 odd yrs later when he found his Aust wife on a ship.

He is a criminal. He rips everyone off.

Thanks!
@car54 also found part of it.

I found the posts back. I’ll post them here for the newer sleuths:

Post in thread 'Australia - Marion Barter, 51, missing after trip to UK, June 1997 #14'
Australia - Australia - Marion Barter, 51, missing after trip to UK, June 1997 #14

Post in thread 'Australia - Marion Barter, 51, missing after trip to UK, June 1997 #14'
Australia - Australia - Marion Barter, 51, missing after trip to UK, June 1997 #14

Post in thread 'Australia - Marion Barter, 51, missing after trip to UK, June 1997 #14'
Australia - Australia - Marion Barter, 51, missing after trip to UK, June 1997 #14

 

[Lord Peter Flimsy]

You’d expect someone to be well read with all that time he had recuperating from falling off his ‘orse, sitting in his prison cell, living off disability benefits and all those long haul flights! He probably nicked the books too.

 

[mishy66]

You’d expect someone to be well read with all that time he had recuperating from falling off his ‘orse, sitting in his prison cell, living off disability benefits and all those long haul flights! He probably nicked the books too.

Exactly. Extremely well read. He gleans his lies from books he reads. Pops a thread of truth into the stories then carries the lies throughout his years of criminality.

CarovB I particularly like the 2nd link to that book you found.
""The book also mentions the main character going to Switzerland, having a stutter""

Came in handy for him at the inquest

 

[Candytuft]

Sally and Joni have made a new podcast called The Missing Matter, due to drop later this month. There is a short introduction to listen to now.

 

[Mrs_Vee]

Yes. Came here to say exactly this. This is the link to the Spotify pre-spoiler.
The Missing Matter

 

[Eyespywithmylittleeye]

Oh my new podcast the missing matters… trailer has got me excited.. especially the last sentence.. Cornelius & Blum!

Introducing - The Missing Matter

Podcast Episode · The Missing Matter · S1 Trailer · 4m

podcasts.apple.com

 

[MrsEmmaPeel]

links www.sallyleydon.com and themissingmatter.com

 

[bbbounce]

I’m saddened to see there is still no update in this case despite the mountains of evidence. It’s been over 12 months since the NSW Coroner passed her findings and yet still we have no real progress from NSW police. It’s really just appalling IMO. Marion and her family deserve better.

 

[mishy66]

Oh my new podcast the missing matters… trailer has got me excited.. especially the last sentence.. Cornelius & Blum!

Introducing - The Missing Matter

Podcast Episode · The Missing Matter · S1 Trailer · 4m

podcasts.apple.com

Yep

 

[mishy66]

I’m saddened to see there is still no update in this case despite the mountains of evidence. It’s been over 12 months since the NSW Coroner passed her findings and yet still we have no real progress from NSW police. It’s really just appalling IMO. Marion and her family deserve better.

100% MB family, Sally , deserve answers and a full investigation into his dealings. Not only for Marion but for ALL of the women he / they, swindled and whatever else.

Now that Sally is finally free of the clutches of TLV, who obviously had another agenda, for the podcast, whilst helping Sally in a huge way initially, you could see it all went south just by what wasn't being said in the end! We all called it on here way back.

Now Sally has her OWN voice, for her mum and no doubt for all missing persons, namely women who are caught up in a web of lies by men they know, and then go missing. The useless police investigators from the 70s to 90s and into today, who find it all too hard to seek information and investigate. Soooooooo many missing persons cases stuffed up from the start no thanks to the mishandling of information and concrete leads not followed up.

The QLD DNA laboratory who totally rorted their position there by seeking "success rate results" and NOT actual delivery of cases being solved honestly and accurately. The Commission of Inquiry investigation into that Lab showed just how horrific their practices were for decades.

All the systems in Australia NEED to be overhauled with gold standard results.

Australia the land of opportunity for criminals.

AH did what he did because he could get away with it here! That's why he loved Australia, for NO other reason.

Thanks Australian government pensions for allowing us , husband / invalid * cough * and wife / carer *cough* , to rort the system for decades paying for our upkeep while we both go about robbing victims!

Every Australian Government Department should hang they head in shame.

The Missing Matters - Sally got that right for sure.

Marions legacy will be for all women to have a voice.

Thanks to Sally.

 

[Eyespywithmylittleeye]

Yep

Not that we are surprised lol

 

[Eyespywithmylittleeye]

Whilst travelling recently in Malaysia I met an Aussie couple and the woman worked quite high up in immigration/border entry etc. I asked her about AH. In particularly lying on initial entry into Oz, using fake passports etc (Freddy) the alias basically most of the stuff in NAA file.

She said that when someone has been here so long, and they know entry was illegal they have to take into account - how long they’ve lived here, children etc etc.

And she doubted he would ever be deported due to the above.

So there ya go.. be dodgy, enter illegally rip off people.. have a couple of kids, a wife etc and boom you can stay

 

[mishy66]

Not that we are surprised lol

not at all

 

[mishy66]

Whilst travelling recently in Malaysia I met an Aussie couple and the woman worked quite high up in immigration/border entry etc. I asked her about AH. In particularly lying on initial entry into Oz, using fake passports etc (Freddy) the alias basically most of the stuff in NAA file.

She said that when someone has been here so long, and they know entry was illegal they have to take into account - how long they’ve lived here, children etc etc.

And she doubted he would ever be deported due to the above.

So there ya go.. be dodgy, enter illegally rip off people.. have a couple of kids, a wife etc and boom you can stay

Exactly


And exactly why he chose to set up a family here.

A perfect shitstorm in the land of opportunity for criminals

 
The whole of Australian Government Bodies in every department needs a comprehensive and thorough investigation into corruption

 

[mishy66]

I dont think AH meeting these women are a fluke at all.

I think each and everyone of them were already connected to him in some way. Isn't that right Ric

I have a theory that AH KNOWS all of his victims through family connections and this is WHAT his safety net has been.

The strong possibility that they may not come forward to report him, because of the implications that would be on other family members.......as well as their own embarrassment.

While there was perhaps 3 ? that went to the authorities, the fact that the police did nothing, or very little in each case, is indicative of family dynamics.......perhaps.

I also think that marrying Diane Walker was very intentional and not "eyes locked across a crowded ship" I think Dianes family dynamics led to this union. Isn't that right Ric.

I also think that Diane KNOWS a hell of a lot more and also the adult kids, about some of these women.

I also think that the Northern NSW region is strongly connected to his past. Yes'em. Isnt that right Ric

I also think that the public know 1/10th of the whole pie and that this case of Missing Person Marion Barter runs very deep through the families of AH past.

Yes'em. That is my theory 100% - all connected.

JMO of course

 

[mishy66]

Book review
Honestly this TLV book is so damaging to this case for SL!
SO many discrepancies.
For the general public who only read what has been published in newspapers and for other possible victims out there, you would think as journalists who have set up a podcast on the whereabouts of Marion Barter and have been in constant contact with SL over all those years, they would at LEAST get the facts laid out by SL correct for their book, that reads like it was hastily put together, and have at least a proof reader! GET a book out fast after the podcast finishes, to keep TLV in the public arena - I see they are now onto 2 other cases and SL is still under contract with 7, so can not at this stage speak out on any other media platform, to even maybe get the facts back on track, no thanks to this book.

A few of these discrepancies that do nothing to help the case:

He was in an orphanage

He stayed with Dianes family when he arrived on the Chusan

He saw Diane at the Hilton swimming pool before the Chusan set sail

He introduced himself as FdeH to Diane on the Chusan

Marion Barter purse was stolen in 1994

There is a bank account in Marions new name FNMR

Marion Barter left Australia with 4 suitcases and 2 carry bags ( might seem trivial but knowing what actual luggage she had to travel with goes a long way in figuring out what she did with it all)

There are others but leaving it here for now. I find it so frustrating that some of the TLV podcast itself goes against the fiction in the book! If I had never heard about this case before and picked up that book, I would believe every single thing written in it. This case has enough manure in it as it is without a book adding more.
It reads like SL & team don't know the facts and the journalists do!
ALL of these "little things" that are inconsistent to what SL has publicly said, paint a very different picture to the timeline of the disappearance of Marion Barter.

I give it a 3 out of 10
Publicity stunt for 7
And I feel really sorry for SL
It must be so frustrating !

Still standing by my theory that this book was filled with fodder on the most part and that untruths will be difficult to retify given the broader public have a path that they believed was 100% accurate thanks to this book.

In a case that its very foundations were built on lies, I have to ask, WHY publish a book that cements those lies of his, to the people who brought that book, after the podcast. And that they believe in it 100% .

Money making scheme IMO

Just my theory of course.

 

[Procrastinator]

I dont think AH meeting these women are a fluke at all.

I think each and everyone of them were already connected to him in some way. Isn't that right Ric

I have a theory that AH KNOWS all of his victims through family connections and this is WHAT his safety net has been.

The strong possibility that they may not come forward to report him, because of the implications that would be on other family members.......as well as their own embarrassment.

While there was perhaps 3 ? that went to the authorities, the fact that the police did nothing, or very little in each case, is indicative of family dynamics.......perhaps.

I also think that marrying Diane Walker was very intentional and not "eyes locked across a crowded ship" I think Dianes family dynamics led to this union. Isn't that right Ric.

I also think that Diane KNOWS a hell of a lot more and also the adult kids, about some of these women.

I also think that the Northern NSW region is strongly connected to his past. Yes'em. Isnt that right Ric

I also think that the public know 1/10th of the whole pie and that this case of Missing Person Marion Barter runs very deep through the families of AH past.

Yes'em. That is my theory 100% - all connected.

JMO of course

IMO many many victims were found in:

(1) Le Courrier Australien (Les Petites Annonces – Recontres)

(2) Dutch Weekly (Sydney) – Pioniertjes

(3) The Australian Jewish News (Melbourne) – Perfect Match.

 

[mishy66]

IMO many many victims were found in:

(1) Le Courrier Australien (Les Petites Annonces – Recontres)

(2) Dutch Weekly (Sydney) – Pioniertjes

(3) The Australian Jewish News (Melbourne) – Perfect Match.

Yep agree this is another way he finds victims

I am only talking about the ones we know of publicly. All of them have a connection to a family he, her, and / or both of them, are related to.

JMO

 

[CuriousKat99]

I dont think AH meeting these women are a fluke at all.

I think each and everyone of them were already connected to him in some way. Isn't that right Ric

I have a theory that AH KNOWS all of his victims through family connections and this is WHAT his safety net has been.

The strong possibility that they may not come forward to report him, because of the implications that would be on other family members.......as well as their own embarrassment.

While there was perhaps 3 ? that went to the authorities, the fact that the police did nothing, or very little in each case, is indicative of family dynamics.......perhaps.

I also think that marrying Diane Walker was very intentional and not "eyes locked across a crowded ship" I think Dianes family dynamics led to this union. Isn't that right Ric.

I also think that Diane KNOWS a hell of a lot more and also the adult kids, about some of these women.

I also think that the Northern NSW region is strongly connected to his past. Yes'em. Isnt that right Ric

I also think that the public know 1/10th of the whole pie and that this case of Missing Person Marion Barter runs very deep through the families of AH past.

Yes'em. That is my theory 100% - all connected.

JMO of course

Agree, especially in the early years.

He wasn’t acting in a vacuum. Plenty of people around him, including close family members, definitely know far more.

Unfortunately anyone privy to further information would have been entrapped in a complex web of embarrassment, shame & fear (including fear of financial loss).

Either that or they didn’t survive to tell the tale (eg Ilona, Ilona’s mother, Ilona’s brother, his 2nd wife, his brother, his mother, his step father, his in-laws, Marion and possibly many others).

For those who tried to escape the entrapment, severe retaliation & punishment ensued. AND the authorities failed the protect them over and over AND he knew it & thus took advantage of it.

Same coercive tactics as used in the mafia, cults etc.

Diane was just another one of his “projects”. As you state, he would likely have sussed out the family first. We know her family were well off but did have some skeletons in their closets, which, as a seasoned criminal, he would have taken advantage of for blackmail purposes. What a perfect target she turned out to be. If she had spoken at any time in the past, even if she speaks up now, how much does she stand to lose. The damage to her and her children would be massive.

Do you think Marion had any connections with his family/in-laws? It didn’t seem like the other victims who gave evidence at the inquest knew much about his family. In fact his MO in the later years was to pass himself off as unmarried & unattached. But of course his close family members must have known something was going on even if they didn’t dare question him.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

I cannot forget DDH at the inquest mentioning Ric Blum and his 'big wins'.

I think they're a crime couple, maybe fashioned their vision on some romantic idealisation of 'me and you against the world' or mob / mafia families. They think average normal hard working women with sensitivities and regular human desires for a loving partner are there for the taking. They're predators, the pair of them. Probably feel smug and superior and powerful after all they've taken from so many. As we have always said, this is but the tip of the ice berg.