Australia Australia - Marion Barter - Missing After Trip to UK - June 1997 #23

[Carovb5]

I cant be sure. But she had an Amber Necklace that was stolen and DdeH is photographed with a VERY similar necklace at their daughters wedding. BTW I would LOVE to put all that up in regard to that wedding union because that is another tangled but very relevant story to all this.

Is it the silver navajo Indian necklace?
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When googling it, its mostly turqoise. Was it Amber? Very interesting!

 

[Carovb5]

This is his passport photo that he used when he arrived into Aust with IK in 1969

The links have been posted previously from NAA

And this is him in 1969 at their wedding - links previously posted on the TLV page

He wears his hair across his forehead.

The PP photo shows a smaller forehead and combed back

Either that PP photo was taken when he was yrs younger OR he used the photograph of WW

There is no denying they are related but I cant see that they are one and the same

JMO


By 1969 the family of IK was warned about him, IK mother hired a PI to find information on him.

IMO He isn't going to use his own legit ID to take off to Australia with her, given her family were suss of him already. He was in Australia for months doing god knows what but it would have been something illegal, so he wouldn't be using his birth name of WC.


Also I kept going back to the youngest son of Maria, DD. He uses the last name David, even though his father was dead by the time he was born AND FD also used the name David.

Why would AH be using Wouters if the others didn't??? It can only be to use it in fraudulent activities.

He was 3 yrs older than them and MC only married AW in 1950.

Diane deH on the stand - "....his family in Belgium were MC AND WILLY WOUTERS... AH NO.. ANDRE WOUTERS I MEAN. HE HAD 2 COUSINS Fredy "Wouters I guess" and Desiree " David or Wouters" .

Willy Coppenolle / David and Willy David Coppenolle - this is AH. The cousin of MC boys.

JMO

He has, like, a “dent” in his nose, on his right. Also visible in his older pictures. Might help when wondering if some pictures are of him (wile using aliasses). You clearly see it in your 2 clear pictures of him young, and also in these pictures of him older.

(I hope some woman did that to him when he tried to steal from her or something like that, but might be born with it)

 

[mishy66]

He has, like, a “dent” in his nose, on his right. Also visible in his older pictures. Might help when wondering if some pictures are of him (wile using aliasses). You clearly see it in your 2 clear pictures of him young, and also in these pictures of him older.

(I hope some woman did that to him when he tried to steal from her or something like that, but might be born with it)

He sure does

It even shows in the wedding photos

But cant see it in the PP photo.
Not clear enough

But I dont think its him anyways

 

[Lord Peter Flimsy]

Aka says early on at the Inquest in a rather confusing exchange with AC that he was told his father’s surname was Hedervary.

AC then asks to clarify if his father was Desire David De Hedervary to which Aka replies ‘yes’.

Weirdly he wasn’t pressed on why DeH or H and how did that come about considering neither his supposed father or stepfather used that name with its Hungarian origins.

 

[mishy66]

Is it the silver navajo Indian necklace?
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When googling it, its mostly turqoise. Was it Amber? Very interesting!

Lots of Amber Navajo Jewellery
It was mentioned at the inquest.

JO never got her Jewellery back. I wonder why

 

[Lord Peter Flimsy]

He has, like, a “dent” in his nose, on his right. Also visible in his older pictures. Might help when wondering if some pictures are of him (wile using aliasses). You clearly see it in your 2 clear pictures of him young, and also in these pictures of him older.

(I hope some woman did that to him when he tried to steal from her or something like that, but might be born with it)

Perhaps it came from his ‘orse accident in the ‘Swine Forest’ near Brussels when being dragged underneath his randy ‘orse for over 300 metres with only one foot in the stirrup?!! Surprised he had any nose or face left?!

 

[mishy66]

Aka says early on at the Inquest in a rather confusing exchange with AC that he was told his father’s surname was Hedervary.

AC then asks to clarify if his father was Desire David De Hedervary to which Aka replies ‘yes’.

Weirdly he wasn’t pressed on why DeH or H and how did that come about considering neither his supposed father or stepfather used that name with its Hungarian origins.

Yes ,that's right.
I believe it was because he realised right then that his kids have the deH name and he had to do a quick swivel to match that, in case the next Q was, yours kids carry the deH name Mr Blooooooom.

The deH is very interesting isn't it.
He used that name when he took his kids to Belgium, at the very dentist of CdeH , saying he was the Godson of her. After all, the kids have the deH name.

Funny how he used THAT name for the birth of his kids. His "alias" name. Not his real Coppenolle name. He lied to his kids ?? Saying this is the real name of my family? DeH/ Coppenolle?
Is that what he was saying to them???

Interesting that CdeH worked for the resistance, just like RC, both in Belgium. And CdeH went to the same university as one of MC siblings.
All these coincidences it seems

 

[mishy66]

Perhaps it came from his ‘orse accident in the ‘Swine Forest’ near Brussels when being dragged underneath his randy ‘orse for over 300 metres with only one foot in the stirrup?!! Surprised he had any nose or face left?!

Hahahahahaha
Love it !

 

[Lord Peter Flimsy]

Yes ,that's right.
I believe it was because he realised right then that his kids have the deH name and he had to do a quick swivel to match that, in case the next Q was, yours kids carry the deH name Mr Blooooooom.

The deH is very interesting isn't it.
He used that name when he took his kids to Belgium, at the very dentist of CdeH , saying he was the Godson of her. After all, the kids have the deH name.

Funny how he used THAT name for the birth of his kids. His "alias" name. Not his real Coppenolle name. He lied to his kids ?? Saying this is the real name of my family? DeH/ Coppenolle?
Is that what he was saying to them???

Interesting that CdeH worked for the resistance, just like RC, both in Belgium. And CdeH went to the same university as one of MC siblings.
All these coincidences it seems

AC never properly pinned him down or explored further his early life and the DeH name. Shame you weren’t there Mishy as you probably know more about AKA’s history/ancestry than his own immediate family do!!

 

[mishy66]

AC never properly pinned him down or explored further his early life and the DeH name. Shame you weren’t there Mishy as you probably know more about AKA’s history/ancestry than his own immediate family do!!

Hahahahaha

I think they all know who he is in reality. A criminal. They've lived with him.

Seen things many would never see. His lies. Her lies. Their lies.

He had is daughter at coin shows with him. She would have heard all the cow manure being spread around.

His son told one of his fathers victims to back off. How's that for integrity.

Their neighbours told of the many filing cabinets he had. He pulled an old envelope? at the inquest in relation to one of his victims? Yrs old and he still had it. Why keep these things?
He stole the ID of Remakel yrs before he used it on Marion.

He is methodical. He has a plan. These are no random stings.

The money he steals, isn't the draw card for him. It's the power of control. The manipulation. The thrill of the chase and its completion of each task. The money, jewels etc are just those windfalls DdeH speaks of. Handy income for flights and the kids expenses.

They had expensive properties but lived like paupers. Just how criminals like it when you are both living off Australian welfare. Nothing to see here, we are just poor pensioners.

The kids live and play with high flyers. Friends of people with high profiles in Australia. You don't get that when your parents are welfare recipients all their lives.

Massive property portfolio and live in a daggy unit. Nothing to see here neighbours.

All criminals. All liars. All of them know much much more.

IMO

 

[mishy66]

I cant seem to find the previous post on CdeH death notice

I hope to God this incredible woman isn't related to this piece of cow manure, or his kids.

And that, in some way, she is "just" another victim of his filthy ways.

But I have found a relative of hers was living in the very town of another person's relative in this story. A person related to the JW soccer story.

@Lord Peter Flimsy Wouldn't it be a trip if there's another "coincidence"

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[Eyespywithmylittleeye]

Perhaps it came from his ‘orse accident in the ‘Swine Forest’ near Brussels when being dragged underneath his randy ‘orse for over 300 metres with only one foot in the stirrup?!! Surprised he had any nose or face left?!

 

[Liselle]

(Funny how he used THAT name for the birth of his kids. His "alias" name. Not his real Coppenolle name. He lied to his kids ?? Saying this is the real name of my family? DeH/ Coppenolle? @mishy66 )
To our overseas sleuths - in Australia we have a programme on Channel SBS titled "Who Do You Think You Are?". It basically has professional genealogists searching world records (mainly Europe and the U.K.) for a person's (mostly celebrities) ancestors. These genealogists obtain extraordinary information and physically witness original documentation in the country of origin, which may not all be available to the general public.Perhaps our "celebrity " or his children should approach this production team which always seems to "find their man" or one's genuine lineage. It could put us ALL out of our misery for once and all!

 

[Lord Peter Flimsy]

(Funny how he used THAT name for the birth of his kids. His "alias" name. Not his real Coppenolle name. He lied to his kids ?? Saying this is the real name of my family? DeH/ Coppenolle? @mishy66 )
To our overseas sleuths - in Australia we have a programme on Channel SBS titled "Who Do You Think You Are?". It basically has professional genealogists searching world records (mainly Europe and the U.K.) for a person's (mostly celebrities) ancestors. These genealogists obtain extraordinary information and physically witness original documentation in the country of origin, which may not all be available to the general public.Perhaps our "celebrity " or his children should approach this production team which always seems to "find their man" or one's genuine lineage. It could put us ALL out of our misery for once and all!

I do wonder if there is a Belgian equivalent? A professional genealogist or business that could delve deep into this guy’s past and look for all the original records assuming this hasn’t already been done.

The Hedervary name with its Hungarian roots still makes me believe this is where it all began. He speaks Hungarian, he married a Hungarian. He gave his children that Hungarian name. It’s very important to him.

 

[mishy66]

(Funny how he used THAT name for the birth of his kids. His "alias" name. Not his real Coppenolle name. He lied to his kids ?? Saying this is the real name of my family? DeH/ Coppenolle? @mishy66 )
To our overseas sleuths - in Australia we have a programme on Channel SBS titled "Who Do You Think You Are?". It basically has professional genealogists searching world records (mainly Europe and the U.K.) for a person's (mostly celebrities) ancestors. These genealogists obtain extraordinary information and physically witness original documentation in the country of origin, which may not all be available to the general public.Perhaps our "celebrity " or his children should approach this production team which always seems to "find their man" or one's genuine lineage. It could put us ALL out of our misery for once and all!

His children wouldn't be approaching anyone for any clarity on him. They are also implicate in the fathers dealings IMO

They all gained from his criminality. Money is the root of all evil. They've had great teachers in their parents dealings.

Dags is no wall flower.

JMO

 

[mishy66]

I do wonder if there is a Belgian equivalent? A professional genealogist or business that could delve deep into this guy’s past and look for all the original records assuming this hasn’t already been done.

The Hedervary name with its Hungarian roots still makes me believe this is where it all began. He speaks Hungarian, he married a Hungarian. He gave his children that Hungarian name. It’s very important to him.

Hungarian through and through.
Speaks the language as you say.
Brings me back to IK

So much more to this story and why Australia was so enticing for them.

 

[mishy66]

Has anyone any theory on why it is he makes the victims go for the liver tests???


As far as him potentially poisoning anyone, I'm still sticking with the Potassium cyanide poisoning theory because of the old way of cleaning coins. We have spoken about this previously and there are a few theories on what someone could use.

TLV podcast talked about poisoned yogurt - I think ER mentioned that he told her that was a way to do it ?

In 1994 there was a write up about a syringe of potassium cyanide being stolen from a numismatist store in Kent.

But why do you think he gets the victims to take a liver test???

And did he read about these tests or was he told about these tests by someone he knew??

So strange!

 

[Lord Peter Flimsy]

Has anyone any theory on why it is he makes the victims go for the liver tests???


As far as him potentially poisoning anyone, I'm still sticking with the Potassium cyanide poisoning theory because of the old way of cleaning coins. We have spoken about this previously and there are a few theories on what someone could use.

TLV podcast talked about poisoned yogurt - I think ER mentioned that he told her that was a way to do it ?

In 1994 there was a write up about a syringe of potassium cyanide being stolen from a numismatist store in Kent.

But why do you think he gets the victims to take a liver test???

And did he read about these tests or was he told about these tests by someone he knew??

So strange!

I’m assuming Kent Police never did find the syringe? Very odd thing to steal and they must have had some interest in coins.

As for the liver tests I wonder if any other crimes of the past have involved making the victim have a medical test of any kind?

It’s feels so sinister that you would have to think this revolves around poisoning. With one of his victims and his own daughter mentioning poisoning there is a strong probability this fate befell one or more of those who were unfortunate enough to know him.

 

[mishy66]

Has anyone any theory on why it is he makes the victims go for the liver tests???


As far as him potentially poisoning anyone, I'm still sticking with the Potassium cyanide poisoning theory because of the old way of cleaning coins. We have spoken about this previously and there are a few theories on what someone could use.

TLV podcast talked about poisoned yogurt - I think ER mentioned that he told her that was a way to do it ?

In 1994 there was a write up about a syringe of potassium cyanide being stolen from a numismatist store in Kent.

But why do you think he gets the victims to take a liver test???

And did he read about these tests or was he told about these tests by someone he knew??

So strange!

Could the liver function tests that look for protein markers to access liver health, also be performed to check for insulin resistance; in relation to giving insulin to people who have no history of diabetes ??

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

Has anyone any theory on why it is he makes the victims go for the liver tests???


As far as him potentially poisoning anyone, I'm still sticking with the Potassium cyanide poisoning theory because of the old way of cleaning coins. We have spoken about this previously and there are a few theories on what someone could use.

TLV podcast talked about poisoned yogurt - I think ER mentioned that he told her that was a way to do it ?

In 1994 there was a write up about a syringe of potassium cyanide being stolen from a numismatist store in Kent.

But why do you think he gets the victims to take a liver test???

And did he read about these tests or was he told about these tests by someone he knew??

So strange!

Organ harvesting? Seems a bit of a reach IMO but just putting it out there.

Another idea re the tests is that he actually wanted to ensure the longevity of his victim and make sure they weren't likely to pass away in a hurry whilst he perpetrated his scam.

Perhaps he was particularly anxious about liver failure for personal reasons although according to my cursory research, acute liver failure is sudden onset with no prior warning and can be fatal within 48 hours.

Another idea is if the tests were privately conducted, he was simply coercing his victims into spending money on an associate who does this testing, building a relationship with that person making it look as it he were a man of influence and power who could send trade his way, maybe taking a cut of the fee charged. How much even is a liver test and where were they being done?