Found Deceased Australia - Melissa Caddick, 49, Sydney, NSW, 12 Nov 2020 #6

[SouthAussie]

MC did not fool everyone....

Is there someone that Melissa didn't fool?

Perhaps the persons who finally turned her in to ASIC?
And, if someone murdered her, perhaps that person too? If that person was a partner/collaborator.

 

[PingTheRouter]

Perhaps the persons who finally turned her in to ASIC?

Well no, the person who turned her in to ASIC was the person whose ASFL or whatever you call it, the license it was hers and she dobbed her in to ASIC

so i mean.. in a way she was fooled

 

[TootsieFootsie]

How about another one:

Everybody does it.

1. I deserve what I "steal".
2. They made me do it (I'm the victim).
3. I'm going to pay it back.
4. It's no big deal for anyone [eg they can afford it].

 

[JLZ]

How about another one:

Everybody does it.

According to the article that seems to fall under (2).

A second common rationalisation involved offenders seeing themselves as the victim – where others were perceived to have provoked, pressured or even compelled the offender to act unlawfully. This positioning mitigates the personal culpability of the offender, diffusing or even displacing the responsibility onto others. For example, those guilty of insider trading frequently point to grey practices elsewhere in the financial services sector.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Yeah, No. (I've always wanted to say that)

My thoughts on "Everybody does it" doesn't really fit. My idea is some people think that is really is something that others do, so why not they take advantage as well. May as well benefit themselves.

I guess it could fit no 1, I deserve what I steal.

According to the article that seems to fall under (2).

 

[Estelle]

Yeah, No. (I've always wanted to say that)

My thoughts on "Everybody does it" doesn't really fit. My idea is some people think that is really is something that others do, so why not they take advantage as well. May as well benefit themselves.

I guess it could fit no 1, I deserve what I steal.

Yes the narcissist feels entitled. The sociopath feels as if the world owes them a living.

 

[JLZ]

Yeah, No. (I've always wanted to say that)

My thoughts on "Everybody does it" doesn't really fit. My idea is some people think that is really is something that others do, so why not they take advantage as well. May as well benefit themselves.

I guess it could fit no 1, I deserve what I steal.

Oh yes . . . that everyone is out for themselves and morality is only losers' envy. Strength is the only virtue, and if I can wrest something from you obviously I'm stronger and I deserve it.

 

[JLZ]

MC did not fool everyone.... she made the decision to steal from the people she knew.

Is there someone that Melissa didn't fool?

Perhaps the persons who finally turned her in to ASIC?
And, if someone murdered her, perhaps that person too? If that person was a partner/collaborator.

At least part of MsLilly's point was that Melissa didn't go for just anyone; she selected her victims from those whose self-protection was compromised by pre-existing friendship and family ties. She took advantage of their kindly feelings, perhaps a desire to help her, sense of some duty to trust.

 

[minime9]

Did she actually work out of a hotmail a/c? I thought I read that here on WS a couple of weeks ago.

Haha yes.

 

[SouthAussie]

At least part of MsLilly's point was that Melissa didn't go for just anyone; she selected her victims from those whose self-protection was compromised by pre-existing friendship and family ties. She took advantage of their kindly feelings, perhaps a desire to help her, sense of some duty to trust.

I have been here since day one, and I truly get that. Probably unnecessary to explain it.

The point is Melissa fooled just about everyone - through whatever clever choice of victims she made.
Which is why I questioned that opening part of the OP's statement.

Melissa did not walk into their homes and steal their wallets, their jewellery, their hifi equipment. She was not a common criminal, she was a white collar criminal.

She was smart, she went to great lengths to provide believable(?) statements to all of her clients, she promised the big returns that they wanted, and she kept that all under control for years. Until it inevitably finally fell apart.

The people who were astute enough escaped Melissa's fraudulent scheme, by either declining to enter or by getting out.
.

 

[minime9]

I have been here since day one, and I truly get that. Probably unnecessary to explain it.

The point is Melissa fooled just about everyone - through whatever clever choice of victims she made.

She did not walk into their homes and steal their wallets, their jewellery, their hifi equipment. She was not a common criminal, she was a white collar criminal.

She was smart, she went to great lengths to provide believable statements to all of her clients, she promised the big returns that they wanted, and she kept that all under control for years. Until it inevitably finally fell apart.

The people who were astute enough escaped Melissa's fraudulent scheme, by either declining to enter or by getting out.

Thanks. I was trying to say it like this but you’ve explained it better than I did.

The only thing I’d add is that she also managed to fool the banks, ATO, her accountants & everyone else that accepted her fake income, statements, signatures and whatever other fraudulent documents she supplied. It wasn’t just investors, not by a long mile.

 

[SLouTh]

From todays article there are now 68 victims of Melissa's fraud...

The police are still investigating the case, which has so far identified a possible 68 fraud victims.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9349233/Sydney-businesswoman-Melissa-Caddick-caught-forging-cheques-20-years-ago-let-off.html

 

[JLZ]

I have been here since day one, and I truly get that. Probably unnecessary to explain it.

The point is Melissa fooled just about everyone - through whatever clever choice of victims she made.
Which is why I questioned that opening part of the OP's statement.

Melissa did not walk into their homes and steal their wallets, their jewellery, their hifi equipment. She was not a common criminal, she was a white collar criminal.

She was smart, she went to great lengths to provide believable(?) statements to all of her clients, she promised the big returns that they wanted, and she kept that all under control for years. Until it inevitably finally fell apart.

The people who were astute enough escaped Melissa's fraudulent scheme, by either declining to enter or by getting out.
.

Some days I talk too much. I know you know the case.

 

[SouthAussie]

Thanks. I was trying to say it like this but you’ve explained it better than I did.

The only thing I’d add is that she also managed to fool the banks, ATO, her accountants & everyone else that accepted her fake income, statements, signatures and whatever other fraudulent documents she supplied. It wasn’t just investors, not by a long mile.

Yep. There are victims everywhere in this case. And for all we know, Melissa may have ended up being a victim herself. And she may have been a victim to start with, which could have been the beginning of her ruthless scheme to fly high and to heck with everyone else.

 

[BlueViolet]

Haha yes.

Brazen beyond belief !

 

[Kemug]

Interesting that the one person who, when I told them about Melissa Caddick, said “good for her!”—-is a diagnosed Narcissist and known to steal things from their friend’s homes, offices, schools...things have gone missing from my own home, small stuff really. But they can’t come back, unless I have a third party watching them with an eagle eye. This light-fingered friend is highly intelligent and charismatic.

I have a "friend" like that too! But fortunately she now lives in a different country.

 

[Kemug]

They might well be satisfied with that at this point, rather than the 10 cents in the dollar that was mooted very early on. It’s better than nothing.

Satisfied?? I don't think so!!

 

[BlueViolet]

After paying the liquidators’ costs & the bank, 25c in the dollar is a reasonable result for an unsecured creditor. I guess they would have had to make peace with the situation and be glad there was anything at all really. If she had employees they would be paid out as one of the first too. It’s a long way off anyway, the provisional liquidators are back in the courts in april to be appointed liquidators, then they can start realising the assets.

 

[SouthAussie]

After paying the liquidators’ costs & the bank, 25c in the dollar is a reasonable result for an unsecured creditor. I guess they would have had to make peace with the situation and be glad there was anything at all really. If she had employees they would be paid out as one of the first too. It’s a long way off anyway, the provisional liquidators are back in the courts in april to be appointed liquidators, then they can start realising the assets.

Yes, I think that if they get 25c in the dollar (still waiting for the required link for that info, so am not sure if it is actually 25%) it will be a lot better than 13c in the dollar ... or a big fat zero.

As I said once before, we (almost) all make poor choices at some point in our lives. And we hopefully learn from them.
The investors may in time reconcile themselves with that fact. It sounds as if some have already - the man who said he and his wife are expecting nothing and wished Melissa no malice, her PT and PT's hubby who have since moved away to make a change.

"Friendship and money: Oil and water" - Mario Puzo

 

[stormbird]

Last night, I went to a barbecue and a couple told me that they used to live in Vaucluse. They knew MC and used to say hello to her when they shopped at Rose Bay.

Estelle, do you know anything more about the people saying hello to Melissa when they were in Rose Bay? I've been wondering how often Melissa was at home. One report said that she occasionally went to Perth to meet up with investors.* (Hypothetically, maybe she had a "fly in, fly out" lifestyle with home offices in different places around the country?) Did the people at the barbecue mean that Melissa was often in Rose Bay somewhere - in the street, in cafes, etc. - and they just randomly ran into her (which would mean she was often going out to places locally, but wasn't elsewhere around Australia)? Or did they go to visit her (in which case they could have arranged a time when she was not away)? Thanks.

Edit:
*This was mentioned in an affidavit which was previously available to the public but currently is not available: Affidavit of Isabella Lucy Allen affirmed 9 November 2020 1.15 pm, ASIC v Caddick - Online File, p.10, 35(d) from a statement by witnesses that another witness had told them "Ms Caddick only takes on new clients when other clients drop out and that she occasionally visits Perth to meet with new clients".