GUILTY Australia - Morgan Huxley, 31, stabbed to death, Neutral Bay, NSW, 8 Sept 2013 #3

[sosocurious]

Interesting read

http://www.bocsar.nsw.gov.au/agdbasev7wr/bocsar/documents/pdf/cjb38.pdf

 

[fruity]

And this article says that Kelsall had been taking Seroquel when Dr Allman saw him in May 2012. I'm guessing that she maybe took him off it, if she was the doctor who thought he had been misdiagnosed?


Dr Allman told the jury she had a consultation with Kelsall on May 15, 2012 and discovered he had been taking Seroquel, a medication often prescribed to people with bipolar disorder.

The doctor said Kelsall revealed the “intrusive thoughts” after his mother Lynne left the room during the appointment.

“He had been having intrusive thoughts about killing people on the way home at night,” Dr Allman recorded in typed notes after the appointment.

Dr Allman said she understood Kelsall’s thoughts to be “repetitive and persistent.”

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...t-killing-people/story-fni0cx12-1227260079913

Just highlighting this bit, I know that someone asked earlier if his parents knew about the knife attack thoughts. I think he kept it from them.

 

[fruity]

The police officer in charge, detective Sgt Mark Dukes was questioned by Mr Watson about documents from Optus which suggest MR Huxley's phone had active social media use when he was killed.

When he was killed does that mean before or after?

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...t-killing-people/story-fni0cx12-1227260079913

Mr Ucar said he did not know if MH met the women using dating site "Plenty of Fish"

Got a feeling this could be the social activity.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/daniel-ke...er-locked-the-front-door-20150305-13vlp7.html

WAsnt DJK charged with stealing a phone too? I bet he somehow logged on and snooped. And if he didn't do it at Morgan's place, I HOPE they can triangulate the mobile data to his house!

 

[Ausgirl]

I have a feeling that the prosecution is just waiting to shred Kelsall in cross-examination, where he'll no doubt hang himself seeing as he can't keep a story straight and that's all on record from even before he was arrested.

or, at least, I HOPE that's they're doing.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

I'm not happy to see Morgans private difficulties being used in this manner in court, but it'll all be worth it once the prosecution gets a hold of Kelsall. This whole case is sad and the murder seems so completely random. Imagine in years gone by one of Morgan's lovers would have possibly been convicted in a circumstantial case. Thank god for DNA, cell phones and CCTV

 

[sosocurious]

Dr Matthew Boulton has said he had 2 consultations with Kelsalls in June 2012.

Dr Boulton said Kelsall "had no idea why he had those thoughts"
"He said it sounds psychopathic" Dr Boulton said.
"Going to jail depended on whether he wanted to get caught"


http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...a-thrill-to-kill/story-fni0cx12-1227261189447

 

[sosocurious]

Kelsalls said the target would "probably be a total random with a knife".
But when asked if he wanted to kill somebody Kelsall replied "absolutely not"

Christopher Walton asked Dr Boulton if he would have "contacted authorities ....if (Kelsall) had posed and danger to anybody"
"If someone was in imminent danger, Yes" Dr Boulton said.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...a-thrill-to-kill/story-fni0cx12-1227261189447

 

[sosocurious]

Kelsall admitted he sounded psychopathic when he described thoughts of stabbing a "total random" and hiding the body.

http://www.skynews.com.au/news/loca...sw-accused-murder-sounded--psychopathic-.html

 

[SouthAussie]

Karl Hoerr ‏@KarlHoerr 4h4 hours ago
Crown case in Daniel Jack Kelsall trial is complete. He has pleaded not guilty to indecent assault and murder of Morgan Huxley.

https://twitter.com/search?q=morgan huxley trial&src=typd

 

[SouthAussie]

This is going to be the speediest trial I've ever seen here! With very few details emerging - it seems that the time between 1:30am and 2:30am is going to be a mystery to us all.


Mr Watson will open the defence case on Monday, having told the jury in his opening address that Kelsall would be called as a witness.

Justice Robert Allan Hulme told jurors yesterday they could be ready to begin considering their verdict as early as Wednesday.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...a-thrill-to-kill/story-fni0cx12-1227261189447

 

[Ausgirl]

Justice Robert Allan Hulme told jurors yesterday they could be ready to begin considering their verdict as early as Wednesday.

wtf. Not sure if that bodes well or ill for the case against Kelsall.

 

[sosocurious]

And this article says that Kelsall had been taking Seroquel when Dr Allman saw him in May 2012. I'm guessing that she maybe took him off it, if she was the doctor who thought he had been misdiagnosed?


Dr Allman told the jury she had a consultation with Kelsall on May 15, 2012 and discovered he had been taking Seroquel, a medication often prescribed to people with bipolar disorder.

The doctor said Kelsall revealed the “intrusive thoughts” after his mother Lynne left the room during the appointment.

“He had been having intrusive thoughts about killing people on the way home at night,” Dr Allman recorded in typed notes after the appointment.

Dr Allman said she understood Kelsall’s thoughts to be “repetitive and persistent.”

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...t-killing-people/story-fni0cx12-1227260079913

BBM

I am wondering if DK was still actually taking the seroquel when he saw Dr Allman.
Dr Allman refuted the suggestion that the intrusive thoughts were a bi product of the medication DK had been taking in the past.
She referred to Dr Boulton (psychiatrist) in June he had 2 consultations and was still discussing intrusive thoughts.
I ask again was he prescribed another medication and was he compliant?

Mr Breton reiterated that his client was "settled"in custody and was committed to fighting the charges.
There was discussion earlier in regard to "settled" maybe meaning appropriately medicated.

Could they be going for manslaughter due to diminished responsibility?
When would that need to be introduced?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/aap/article-2655794/Huxleys-alleged-killer-face-trial.html

 

[SouthAussie]

There was a case in Victoria recently, where a person on the autism spectrum - Thomas Hemming - committed a thrill kill. He got 32 years. It did not diminish his responsibility and, in fact, highlighted his (personal) inability to feel empathy towards others which made him a great risk to society.

"He later told police he had fantasised about murdering people and had butchered the couple with a knife he bought online.
Justice King said Hemming, who has been diagnosed with Asperger’s, was untreatable and remained a threat to the community.
"You remain incapable of feeling empathy, sorrow or regret for your fellow human being," said Justice King.
"Your crimes were horrific. They were motivated by a desire to kill just to see what is was like."

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/la...rrumbeena-couple/story-fni0fee2-1227101296724

 

[Humdinger]

BBM

I am wondering if DK was still actually taking the seroquel when he saw Dr Allman.
Dr Allman refuted the suggestion that the intrusive thoughts were a bi product of the medication DK had been taking in the past.
She referred to Dr Boulton (psychiatrist) in June he had 2 consultations and was still discussing intrusive thoughts.
I ask again was he prescribed another medication and was he compliant?

Mr Breton reiterated that his client was "settled"in custody and was committed to fighting the charges.
There was discussion earlier in regard to "settled" maybe meaning appropriately medicated.

Could they be going for manslaughter due to diminished responsibility?
When would that need to be introduced?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/aap/article-2655794/Huxleys-alleged-killer-face-trial.html

Seroquel is an anti psychotic isn't it?

 

[sosocurious]

Mr Kelsall said he fondled MH for about 10 minutes before something hit him on the head and he noticed someone else in the room.

"I pushed my self up and it looked like this other person and MH were fighting I then got out of there - I stood up and ran out"

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/unknown-a...nter-kelsall-tells-court-20150316-1lzwyc.html

 

[sosocurious]

Mr Huxley, 31, then invited him into his flat, where the pair continued their conversation, and Mr Kelsall said he asked him how he relieved stress.

"He said he has some friends he gets with and I said: 'Did you get with any tonight?' " Mr Kelsall told the jury

"He said: 'No they're busy.'

"And I said: 'Do you want to do things with me?'

"He seemed very hesitant at first. He checked his phone and sort of said: 'Yes.' "

Mr Kelsall said Mr Huxley said they could go upstairs together if they were quiet, and the pair went into his bedroom.

"I went into the room and turned around. He came in and turned off the lights and immediately dropped his pants," Mr Kelsall said.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/unknown-a...nter-kelsall-tells-court-20150316-1lzwyc.html

 

[sosocurious]

He told he jury he saw the person, whom he hasn’t described physically, and Mr Huxley “seemed to be fighting.”

“I pushed myself up and got out of there,” he said,

“I didn’t know he was being terribly hurt. I thought it was somebody he knew or his flatmate, that he’d done something annoying.”

Mr Kelsall said he didn’t tell police because “I was very, very scared of having anything to do with the murder.”

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...-takes-the-stand/story-fni0cx12-1227264460642

 

[sosocurious]

“Was the police interview (carried out in September 2013) a game to you?” Crown Prosecutor Peter McGrath SC asked.

“No,” Kelsall replied.

“Is giving evidence a game to you?”

“No.”
“Was the police interview (carried out in September 2013) a game to you?” Crown Prosecutor Peter McGrath SC asked.

“No,” Kelsall replied.

“Is giving evidence a game to you?”

"No"

Kelsall, who followed his family to Sydney from Wellington in late 2010, hasn’t described if the attacker was a man or a woman and said “I’d been hit on the head, my vision was blurry.”

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...-takes-the-stand/story-fni0cx12-1227264460642

 

[drsleuth]

Samantha Brett ‏@samanthabrett 4h4 hours ago

Accused Daniel Jack #Kelsall takes stand at Morgan Huxley murder trial #7news



#Kelsall tells court he had a conversation with Morgan Huxley inside convenience store on night of murder but was not stalking him. #7news

#Kelsall tells court Huxley invited him back to his apartment on night of murder to talk about sick family member and work problems #7news

#Kelsall tells court another person entered victim's room and began fighting with him so he ran out #7News

#Kelsall says he didn't call police because he "didn't think it was serious"

#Kelsall says he doesn't know if it was a man or woman who entered the room and didn't see a knife #7News

#Kelsall says of Morgan Huxley "I thought he was good looking but I didn't find him overly attractive." @dailytelegraph

#Kelsall says he washed his bag after finding blood stains to disassociate from case and "make it seem like I had nothing to do with it".

https://twitter.com/samanthabrett

 

[drsleuth]

Accused killer Daniel Kelsall has taken to the witness box @NewsTalk2UE

Court hears Daniel #kelsall got depressed after parents moved to Aus without him. He started boarding with a stranger in NZ @NewsTalk2UE

Daniel #kelsall says his lical GP diagnosed him with bipolar before he moved to Aus in 2010 @NewsTalk2UE

Daniel #kelsall says the medication made him 'fell fopey, unexpressive & short tempered' @NewsTalk2UE

#kelsall confirms evidence given by GP that he had thoughts of following someone & killing them with a knife @NewsTalk2UE

Court hears these fantasies occured 2 weeks before seeing GP. He was on lowest dose of medication at the time @NewsTalk2UE #kelsall

#kelsall denies he carried a knife in his bag or ever followed anyone home @NewsTalk2UE

Daniel #kelsall says he saw Morgan Huxley at convenience store while he was using ATM. They had a conversation @NewsTalk2UE

#kelsall denies he was stalking Morgan Huxley. Couldn't see his alleged victim through windows of The Oaks @NewsTalk2UE

#kelsall says there was NO connection between Morgan Huxley & him running in same direction which was caught on CCTV @NewsTalk2UE

#kelsall says he caught up with Huxley at the lights, 'I said good morning. Agh. Good night. Sorry. I'm a bit nervous' @NewsTalk2UE

#Kelsall says he asked Huxley how his week had been. 'He was smiling while we were conversing' @NewsTalk2UE

#kelsall says Huxley invited him to his apartment. @NewsTalk2UE

Daniel #kelsall says Morgan Huxley invited him in & they sat down on the couch in the lounge room @NewsTalk2UE

#Kelsall says Huxley confided in him, that he was having problems at work @NewsTalk2UE

#kelsall says he asked Huxley whether 'he wanted to do stuff with men? He was hesitant at first, but then said 'yeah'.' @NewsTalk2UE

They went into Morgan's room. #kelsall had turned around & he had dropped his pants. @NewsTalk2UE

#kelsall says he then 'got down on his knees' ... @NewsTalk2UE

#kelsall says he then started fondling Morgan. @NewsTalk2UE

#kelsall says there was another person in the room. Possibly more & that he was pushed to the ground. @NewsTalk2UE

#kelsall says he looked up & Morgan was fighting with someone, so he ran off, straight home @NewsTalk2UE

#kelsall says he saw Morgan being assaulted. That he didn't see a knife @NewsTalk2UE

Asked why the jury should believe him? #kelsall says he wants to make amends. So they understand my side of the story. @NewsTalk2UE

Daniel #kelsall now under cross examination @NewsTalk2UE

#kelsall says after he was hit to the head, his ears were ringing & eyesight was blurry @NewsTalk2UE

#kelsall says he was terrified because the person who had done it 'had seen me & might come after me' @NewsTalk2UE

#kelsall says he heard noises when Morgan was fighting with another person on the bed. Deeper then a screech @NewsTalk2UE

#Kelsall says he could smell alcohol on Huxley but couldn't tell how drunk he was @NewsTalk2UE

#kelsall 'I could tell he was good looking' ... while standing behind Huxley at ATM @NewsTalk2UE

Crown McGrath asks #Kelsall about conversation had with security across the road from The Oaks- where Morgan had his last beer @NewsTalk2UE

McGrath 'you must have had a lot of time to speak to security about a good many things' @NewsTalk2UE #Kelsall

#kelsall says they spoke about work, sports & cars... despite him having no interest in sports & cars. @NewsTalk2UE

Crown now questioning #Kelsall about his police interview in September 2013 @NewsTalk2UE

#kelsall says he lied during portions of the interview. Including that he did NOT return to the cooking school that night @NewsTalk2UE

#kelsall says it was coincidence that he left the Curry Palace & walked along Military Road in the same direction as Morgan aka 'no shoes'

#kelsall admits to lying about why he was seen jogging after Morgan on CCTV. He told police he 'was cold' @NewsTalk2UE

#kelsall now says he was jogging, because a car was waiting to turn the corner & he wanted to catch the pedestrian crossing @NewsTalk2UE

#kelsall says he 'never carried a knife to or from work.' @NewsTalk2UE

#kelsall says 'it's possible' that his GP misunderstood his so-called fantasies of killing someone on the way home from work. @NewsTalk2UE

#kelsall says he was talking to Morgan for 'more than 5 minutes' before he was invited back to his apartment @NewsTalk2UE

#kelsall asked how soon after they had engaged in sexual relations that attack happened? 'I don't know. I was concentrating on other things'

After lunch at Daniel #Kelsall murder trial. Says he noticed stains (blood) on his bag the next day @NewsTalk2UE

#kelsall says he checked bag after hearing reports that Morgan Huxley had been stabbed @NewsTalk2UE

Prosecutor McGrath makes the point that 'the reports said nothing about him being stabbed' - #kelsall stammers @NewsTalk2UE

#kelsall says he tried to wash the blood off his bag within 5 minutes of noticing the 'red stains' @NewsTalk2UE

McGrath 'why did you do that? ' #kelsall 'because I realised what happened the night beforehand. I was trying to disassociate myself'

#Kelsall ' I wanted to seem that I had nothing to do with it' @NewsTalk2UE

#kelsall says he heard sirens after getting home. That they sounded close by @NewsTalk2UE

#kelsall has admitted to at least 5 lies in a row, during cross examination @NewsTalk2UE

McGrath asks whether 7 lies made during police interview were planned. #Kelsall 'not to a total extent' @NewsTalk2UE

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