Deceased/Not Found AUSTRALIA - Ms Lesley Trotter, 78, Homicide, Brisbane, 28 Mar 2023

[T-dawg420]

In the Quinton Simon (US) case, they couldn't use dogs. Mostly due to the danger of sharps, but I think the overwhelming odour of rubbish also might make their job difficult.

The poor police officers had to painstakingly separate all the compressed/compacted rubbish, very carefully, by hand, to look for remains. IIRC it was also said to be an upsetting task for them.

In that case, they started the landfill search after Quinton had been missing for two weeks (similar to the timeframe of this case) and it took them 5 weeks to find him.

There was a case in 2016 of an English man Corrie McKeague who ended up in a bin. It was a bigger industrial cardboard bin. Unfortunately it was several months after he went missing they worked out via the weight of the load picked up there was an extra 100kgs in it. And they could pinpoint the general area of the landfill where he would have gone but after 20 weeks searching they never located anything.

This is gonna sound graphic and I mean no disrespect but I wonder how efficient the compactors are at the transfer centre? And do general waste trucks have compactors inside as well? Could make it very hard not only to locate anything, but then to be able to ascertain the cause of death seems real difficult if the aforementioned compactors do a decent Job.

so unbelievably tragic and difficult to even comprehend.

 

[T-dawg420]

A pity Lesley doesn't have something on her that could be used to track her movements.

it is a pity. I mentioned a case above of Corrie Mckeague and they tracked his phone taking the exact path of the bin lorry and it only stopped transmitting a signal at the waste transfer station. I assume after going through the compactor.

 

[SLouTh]

This is gonna sound graphic and I mean no disrespect but I wonder how efficient the compactors are at the transfer centre? And do general waste trucks have compactors inside as well? Could make it very hard not only to locate anything, but then to be able to ascertain the cause of death seems real difficult if the aforementioned compactors do a decent Job.

Sadly I have thought of this too….. and I am not sure they will be able to prove “cause of death” ….. that would be enough to satisfy “reasonable doubt” …

So the rest of the case, if it is foul play, will need to be watertight ….

IMO

 

[TootsieFootsie]

If it is foul play I hope that everyone is a suspect to begin with and that no one was ruled out "just because it couldn't possibly be them"

 

[TootsieFootsie]

I'm not sure I totally believe they don't have a suspect.
Maybe they're putting that out there to keep someone off guard.

Maybe they have spoken to someone of interest.

 

[SLouTh]

Notice this 7 Headline …..From 7 Twitter….

Body of a missing Queensland woman Lesley Trotter is believed to have been placed in a wheelie bin near her home in Toowong before being collected by a rubbish truck


Body …. meaning dead already
Placed …. Put into the bin by someone other than herself, with purpose?
Near… Not a bin from 52 but somewhere close by on Maryvale Street.
Before … they know with certainty she was deceased before the collection by the garbage truck, meaning it wasn’t that motion that caused her death.

IMO 7 News has had the best coverage so far … and I think the Police (and media) know a lot more than we do at this point …

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[T-dawg420]

Detectives are also working to piece together a pattern of the people who drive Maryvale St, particularly on a Tuesday morning.

Ok the bike is missing and they are looking for drivers patterns.. maybe they’re looking for who hasn’t driven back down it since they hit her on her bike or something?

I mean as annoying as the recycling thing is it’s crazy to be killed for. Maybe someone did hit her riding her bike and put her in the bin and took the bike?

That could be a good theory. Hitting a bike would possibly leave evidence on it from a car. Makes sense to take the bike and put the body in a bin. Cos putting a body into a car would leave all kinds of trace evidence.

it could just be lazy reporting, but if it’s factual that she was put in a bin out on Meryvale St as oppose to Clayton Lane then that could make the hitting her on a Bike theory even more plausible. A lot more traffic goes down Meryvale St then it does Clayton Lane, and they travel a lot faster as well.

 

[SLouTh]

I'm not sure I totally believe they don't have a suspect.
Maybe they're putting that out there to keep someone off guard.

Maybe they have spoken to someone of interest.

Totally agree!!

 

[SouthAussie]

I'm not sure I totally believe they don't have a suspect.
Maybe they're putting that out there to keep someone off guard.

Maybe they have spoken to someone of interest.

Yes, I think this too. Maybe not a 'suspect' but maybe a strong POI or two.

They sure are putting a lot of media out there for a case that 'might' be an accident.

And they sure are requesting as much dash cam video as they can find. As they are still out there stopping cars travelling on Maryvale Street and requesting that they check their dash cam footage.

 

[SouthAussie]

They somehow might know that Lesley had injuries ....

"Massingham would not comment on Trotter’s injuries"

Tragic update in search for Queensland woman after grim wheelie bin revelation

Family raised the alarm after the 78-year-old went missing from her Brisbane home.

7news.com.au

 

[TootsieFootsie]

I hope she wasn't still alive but disabled when she was picked up by the garbage truck and no way to get help

 

[TootsieFootsie]

I wouldn't be surprised if right now a secret person of interest was being listened in to.

 

[kiwi50]

I wonder if the Brisbane rubbish trucks record the weight of each individual bin as it is picked up.
Lesley’ s DNA is likely to be in someones bin, feel sorry for the person whose bin it is, if they had nothing to do with it, I guess the question is, if it was a fellow resident, would you put her in your bin or someone elses.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

I notice that LE are not making a big thing about the bike being missing.
No pics of the bike and asking people to look out for it.

 

[musicaljoke]

I wonder if the Brisbane rubbish trucks record the weight of each individual bin as it is picked up.
Lesley’ s DNA is likely to be in someones bin, feel sorry for the person whose bin it is, if they had nothing to do with it, I guess the question is, if it was a fellow resident, would you put her in your bin or someone elses.

In a panic, I think the person would use the nearest bin and not give a thought whether or not it was their own or not.

Are these bins not shared?

 

[HinterlandObserver]

Generally in units like that, each one is allocated a general waste and recycling, which is why sometimes it can become a point of contention, because rules are not always followed.
Some people don’t put them back, some people don’t recycle properly, some people use anyone’s bins they like etc.

In a panic, I think the person would use the nearest bin and not give a thought whether or not it was their own or not.

Are these bins not shared?

 

[SouthAussie]

I wonder if the Brisbane rubbish trucks record the weight of each individual bin as it is picked up.
Lesley’ s DNA is likely to be in someones bin, feel sorry for the person whose bin it is, if they had nothing to do with it, I guess the question is, if it was a fellow resident, would you put her in your bin or someone elses.

I have been looking to see if the rubbish trucks weigh the bins. Have not found a definitive answer.
(In some countries, like Ireland, the bins have a chip which allows their weight to be measured.)

All of the council sites that I have looked at say the bin must not weigh more than 70kg when full, one site says that "our trucks are unable to collect bins heavier than 70kg". link

So, perhaps the trucks forks cannot pick up a greater weight?

All sites say that the bin lid must be able to close, when full.

 

[Marg944]

Yes they keep saying Maryvale Street …. Where as the bins of 52 are kept on the Lane ..

I also noticed that Toots ….

So from this wording, it would seem that Lesley was placed in the bins on the busy Maryvale Street, which were not from her block of units. I wonder if it was a car accident? It would take a strong person to be able to lift an adult and put into a bin (sorry for how horrific that sounds). IMO

 

[TootsieFootsie]

It would take a strong person to be able to lift an adult and put into a bin (sorry for how horrific that sounds). IMO

Maybe they didn't have to do much lifting.

I have a confession.
I once had a big old microwave. I found I couldn't lift it into the bin so I laid the bin down and slid the microwave into it.
Not sure how that would work with a body. But it cuts out the lifting that way.

A piece of cardboard under the body and slide into the bin.

Also sorry for the graphics.

 

[SLouTh]

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