Deceased/Not Found AUSTRALIA - Ms Lesley Trotter, 78, Homicide, Brisbane, 28 Mar 2023

[SouthAussie]

Yes they said 30cm in all the Aus papers, but both CNN and another US one are saying 30 metres.

They are not real good with metric measurements.
My US friend that stayed with me this summer couldn't get the hang of our metric system, nor can my other US friends.

They always convert it to US measurements to try to understand it.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

If Lesley had some metal parts would they have been able to use a metal detector.
Ie some people have metal plates from accidents, or hip replacements etc.

As nothing has been said, I presume that Lesley doesn't have anything like that.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

My US friend that stayed with me this summer couldn't get the hang of our metric system, nor can my other US friends.

They always convert it to US measurements to try to understand it.

I shouldn't laugh.
We changed so long ago now and cents, and weights etc are so much easier.

The only one I prefer the old way is the height, somehow that seemed to make more sense.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Where are you Ms Trotter ?

 

[Doesitmakesense]

DBM

 

[Marg944]

On reading the media report from 27th April, it seems that Police have found out that Lesley was in the bin some time before it was picked up by the garbage truck. They say that she was placed in the bin, which was later picked up by the rubbish truck. I wonder if there was CCTV footage?


“Ongoing investigations can reveal that on the morning of Tuesday, the 28th of March this year, the body of a female we believe was Lesley Trotter was located in a general waste wheelie bin,” he said.

“It was evident she was deceased. Due to the positioning of the body, we can’t rule out foul play.

“Later that morning that bin was collected by a rubbish truck.”

https://www.themercury.com.au/breaking-news/twist-in-search-for-missing-woman-lesley-trotter-in-queensland-rubbish-dump/news-story/7fb633ffbb314bc4842682661aa4ed5f

 

[SouthAussie]

On reading the media report from 27th April, it seems that Police have found out that Lesley was in the bin some time before it was picked up by the garbage truck. They say that she was placed in the bin, which was later picked up by the rubbish truck. I wonder if there was CCTV footage?


“Ongoing investigations can reveal that on the morning of Tuesday, the 28th of March this year, the body of a female we believe was Lesley Trotter was located in a general waste wheelie bin,” he said.

“It was evident she was deceased. Due to the positioning of the body, we can’t rule out foul play.

“Later that morning that bin was collected by a rubbish truck.”

https://www.themercury.com.au/breaking-news/twist-in-search-for-missing-woman-lesley-trotter-in-queensland-rubbish-dump/news-story/7fb633ffbb314bc4842682661aa4ed5f

In re-reading some articles yesterday, it seems that Lesley died "the night she disappeared". (The police have "strong evidence" of this.)

Then she was "hidden in a wheelie bin".
For how long? For some hours? Sometime shortly after the midnight time, the first point that they are interested in? Not necessarily in the early morning when she might have gone out to sort some rubbish?

I wonder if any of the residents in her building have a ring camera, a camera that might have recorded some action on the staircase late that night? Perhaps someone going up and down the staircase late at night?

Police provide update after ‘items of interest’ development in search for missing woman

‘No further updates will be available at this stage.’

7news.com.au

 

[nightrider17]

It all seems very convenient - that the incident happened just before bin day the next day - a local perhaps??

If it was just a spontaneous accident/incident - reaching for the bin seems a logical step but how convenient that it was bin pickup the very next day.????? MOO

 

[Plover99]

In re-reading some articles yesterday, it seems that Lesley died "the night she disappeared". (The police have "strong evidence" of this.)

Then she was "hidden in a wheelie bin".
For how long? For some hours? Sometime shortly after the midnight time, the first point that they are interested in? Not necessarily in the early morning when she might have gone out to sort some rubbish?

I wonder if any of the residents in her building have a ring camera, a camera that might have recorded some action on the staircase late that night? Perhaps someone going up and down the staircase late at night?

Police provide update after ‘items of interest’ development in search for missing woman

‘No further updates will be available at this stage.’

7news.com.au

I also noticed the same wording in this article. It’s very specific and leads you to think that they have film footage to support this.

 

[SouthAussie]

I also noticed the same wording in this article. It’s very specific and leads you to think that they have film footage to support this.

They also might be able to roughly determine what time they think Lesley died. By potential signs of rigor mortis and/or lividity in the rubbish truck video.

"Due to the positioning of the body, we can't rule out foul play." Link

Rigor mortis sets in about 2 hours in the face after a person has died, then progresses to the limbs over the next 6-8 hours. Link

Lividity sets in 30 min to 4 hours after death. Link

 

[Doesitmakesense]

On reading the media report from 27th April, it seems that Police have found out that Lesley was in the bin some time before it was picked up by the garbage truck. They say that she was placed in the bin, which was later picked up by the rubbish truck. I wonder if there was CCTV footage?


“Ongoing investigations can reveal that on the morning of Tuesday, the 28th of March this year, the body of a female we believe was Lesley Trotter was located in a general waste wheelie bin,” he said.

“It was evident she was deceased. Due to the positioning of the body, we can’t rule out foul play.

“Later that morning that bin was collected by a rubbish truck.”

https://www.themercury.com.au/breaking-news/twist-in-search-for-missing-woman-lesley-trotter-in-queensland-rubbish-dump/news-story/7fb633ffbb314bc4842682661aa4ed5f

I noticed this wording too. It really throws out my going theory that she was reported missing and the blood found, then going back to check the trucks cameras. What really bothers me about this is if they knew she was in the bin prior to collection, why did they allow the collection to happen?

 

[musicaljoke]

I noticed this wording too. It really throws out my going theory that she was reported missing and the blood found, then going back to check the trucks cameras. What really bothers me about this is if they knew she was in the bin prior to collection, why did they allow the collection to happen?

They surely did not know she was in the bin prior to pick up until they investigated the disappearance when they learned this. It wasn't discovered in real time, instead after the fact.

 

[Doesitmakesense]

They surely did not know she was in the bin prior to pick up until they investigated the disappearance when they learned this. It wasn't discovered in real time, instead after the fact.

Just the way it's worded. If someone knew or saw, why did it take til later that day for LE action

 

[Doesitmakesense]

Should add to my previous comment. I'm not saying LE sat on it, but the person that had knowledge may have? And why?

 

[HinterlandObserver]

I think the importance of choosing the correct words when using language has been lost, especially in journalism (for sensationalism).
People don’t understand the finite differences between words is the reason they all exist in the first place.
Language has become homogenised and meanings of words lost.
Where we hope there might be a linguistic clue, I wonder might in fact be linguistic ignorance?

 

[Twistinginthewind]

I think they have their metrics confused, it should be "The waste will be exhumed from the ground. It will then be tipped into lanes approximately 30cm deep ....Superintendent Massingham said. "

Centimetres, not metres.

https://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/news/by-hand-and-rake-challenging-search-underway-to-find-body-of-missing-queensland-woman-lesley-trotter/news-story/5fcc8746d0ea7f76b6343d13b0ac1985

I think the deep lanes are what they have so far dug out and laid out into 30cm deep lanes, to hand sift. They may have wanted to show that they are making good progress.

I wonder how big 3000 tonnes of compressed rubbish is. How large of an area that takes up.

That makes much more sense to me, anyway, @SouthAussie

I have that one conversion hard wired into my brain from my schooling in the US, that 1 inch = 2.54 centimeters, so 30 cm deep would be about 12 inches or 1 foot deep (11.8 inches). Convert cm to inches

Converting 3000 tonnes of compressed rubbish to a volume in US measurement is a little bit more complicated because it depends on the density, but assuming a light weight material like bark, it would be about 13,000 cubic yards of material. Cubic Yards To Tons Calculator

Dividing 13,000 cubic yards of material by 1 foot deep (which is 1/3 of a yard, 3 feet per yard), would mean the 1-foot deep area would be about 43,333 square feet, which is pretty close to 1 acre (an acre is 43,560 square feet). Square Feet to Acres | Acres to Square Feet

So, bearing with the calculations, the take home, if I'm correct, is this:

The rubbish they would be looking through would be about 1 foot deep over 1 acre.

JMO

 

[SLouTh]

I noticed this wording too. It really throws out my going theory that she was reported missing and the blood found, then going back to check the trucks cameras. What really bothers me about this is if they knew she was in the bin prior to collection, why did they allow the collection to happen?

I believe the blood was found retrospectively in the investigation ….(after they had the footage from the truck … ) while investigating where the incident may have occurred ….

I don’t believe they knew prior to the actual bin collection, but I am suspicious that Police knew about something a lot earlier than Thursday Night, prior to Good Friday, when the huge door-knock started with Homicide involved … JMO

 

[SouthAussie]

I believe the blood was found retrospectively in the investigation ….(after they had the footage from the truck … ) while investigating where the incident may have occurred ….

I don’t believe they knew prior to the actual bin collection, but I am suspicious that Police knew about something a lot earlier than Thursday Night, prior to Good Friday, when the huge door-knock started with Homicide involved … JMO

Perhaps that is where the "has there been any attempts to access her bank accounts?" "I can't comment on that" comes in to play?

Because I think we all know that checking bank accounts for activity, and checking mobile phone records, seems to be among the first things that police do, when a person goes missing.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

It does seem strange that they haven't said anything further about Lesley's bank account.

 

[FromGermany1]

Perhaps that is where the "has there been any attempts to access her bank accounts?" "I can't comment on that" comes in to play?

Because I think we all know that checking bank accounts for activity, and checking mobile phone records, seems to be among the first things that police do, when a person goes missing.

We know, that LT unfortunately is dead, so it's obvious, that she couldn't have touched her bank account herself. IF someone other did, that's a strong motive for murder, which we aren't allowed to know yet. IMO