GUILTY Australia - One dead, 18 injured by car, Flinders St, Melbourne, 21 Dec 2017 *Arrest*

[Gardenista]

He couldn't have been a practising Muslim, soso. They are so very against drug taking.

Yup. Very much against booze & strip clubs too which is why it must have been a case of mistaken identity with the 911 terrorists

 

[Elley Mae]

Yup. Very much against booze & strip clubs too which is why it must have been a case of mistaken identity with the 911 terrorists

And the Paris terrorist from brussels was seen to frequent gay clubs.

 

[Ewood66]

And Catholic priests have a liking for young kiddies... not sure what these comments about being muslim and taking drugs/frequenting gays bars have got to do with it. Perhaps have a read of the report on the Royal Commission on the Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse (I can pick on Catholics because I was raised one and attended a convent school for 12 years... and survived!). There are many devout Christians who do things which are against their religious beliefs - a recent US politician comes to mind who was very out-spoken in his anti-gay commentary who was caught having sex with a male in his office. I think taking drugs is the least of his sins against his religion given what he has just done on Flinders Street.

 

[sosocurious]

Maybe. I guess we’ll find out one day.

The RANZCP saw fit to make a statement:

https://www.ranzcp.org/News-policy/News/RANZCP-homepage-item.aspx

From reports, it seems his use of methamphetamines (ice) may have had an impact on his ‘mental health’. Hence, Jeff Kennett’s comments above:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...urne-VIC-21-Dec-%9217&p=13827662#post13827662

Mr Noori wouldn’t be the first alleged attacker to use this defence:

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/b...ser-to-mentalhealth-plea-20171204-gzy2it.html

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/bomb-squad-investigating-car-after-driver-armed-with-knife-drove-wildly-through-cbd-20170929-

Or the first MSM article to mention it:

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/m...b-khayres-murderous-rage-20170606-gwljql.html

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/lindt-sie...n-who-became-a-terrorist-20160407-go0irx.html

As someone who lives with C-PTSD, I’m getting pretty tired of ‘mental health issues’ being raised as a reason/precursor/excuse for the behaviour of violent criminals who terrorise, injure and kill innocent people.

“The reality is, we have got a man who has got mental health *issues, who is on a mental health plan and who has drug issues, and then he commits this act.

“You take into account, what are the circumstances about this person? What are his views he has expressed before? Is he expressing any support for terrorist groups or anything like that? We haven’t got that here. We haven’t seen that. We have, if you like, isolated comments made in an interview.

“Is that enough to say this is a terrorism event?’’

The Weekend Australian has been told Mr Noori was committed for two weeks as an involuntary psychiatric patient earlier this year. He is also a heavy user of methamphetamine, or ice.

Authorities suspect he may have been suffering from the residual effects of post-traumatic stress disorder as a result of his life in Afghanistan.

The decision not to declare the Flinders Street attack a terrorist incident was made by the joint management committee, a counter terrorism steering committee made up of assistant commissioners from the Australian Federal Police, Victoria Police and ASIO.

The committee convened by phone hook-up on Thursday and decided the legal threshold had not been met to charge Mr Noori with terror offences..............


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...s/news-story/c44a902a4dead0794dd8baf810717431
Police to zero in on lone wolf ‘obsessives’

Involuntary admission .... that would indicated that earlier this year he was a risk to others and/or himself. imo.

 

[Gardenista]

And Catholic priests have a liking for young kiddies... not sure what these comments about being muslim and taking drugs/frequenting gays bars have got to do with it. Perhaps have a read of the report on the Royal Commission on the Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse (I can pick on Catholics because I was raised one and attended a convent school for 12 years... and survived!). There are many devout Christians who do things which are against their religious beliefs - a recent US politician comes to mind who was very out-spoken in his anti-gay commentary who was caught having sex with a male in his office. I think taking drugs is the least of his sins against his religion given what he has just done on Flinders Street.

You missed the point. This brilliant piece was posted earlier--maybe it will help you understand

https://www.perthnow.com.au/opinion...hat-it-is-ng-075aec9c751e7e142f352a8fce5542e3

PS I survived Catholic school as well

 

[Jennifer17]

Miranda Devine and Peta Credlin. Next we will be quoting Pauline.

 

[Tawny]

He’s a sympathiser to the mistreatment of muslims with a mental illness hearing voices.
Crikey!
Just get him off our streets before he can do more carnage.

Thank goodness for that bollard that stopped him.

Authorities in Melbourne have said they do not believe there is an increased threat to the public, and that Mr Noori had a history of drug use and mental illness.

Police said Mr Noori had made "utterances" during preliminary discussions with investigators, referring to the "mistreatment of Muslims" and "dreams and voices"


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Ya know what? Lock me up then, because so am I! We (Western society) treat Muslims like garbage in the streets and then we are shocked and shaken when someone who hears voices is triggered by that treatment. Maybe if we stopped assuming every brown person is connected to terrorism, Muslims wouldn't feel so ostracized and abused? An Indian friend of mine from Chicago gets harassed everywhere he freaking goes because Western society is so ignorant about Muslims.

He doesn't look like a meth addict. Is that what his blood tests showed?

What does a meth addict look like? I didn't know there was a standard you had to meet.

That's what I was thinking, too. Maybe they were killed by our allied forces? In a bombing or such?

This wouldn't surprise me, and we can't be surprised if people become angry at Westerners for killing their families. Should they commit violence? No, but do we really blame them for wanting to?

Where was he getting the money for these drugs?

Really sad what happened but to go maim innocent people going about their business.

So many families including his are suffering. Oh is poor children.



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This simply isn't something we ever ask when a white drug user commits violence. This post is an example of racism.

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ETA: None of this is at all to say I excuse the violence, before anyone goes ahead and says that garbage.

 

[katydid23]

He couldn't have been a practising Muslim, soso. They are so very against drug taking.

Many of the Jihadi's, who brought down the World Trade Center in NYC, spent their final days drinking in strip clubs. Not very 'Islamic' behavior but it didn't stop them from committing terrorism in the name of Islam.


http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a091101beforepinkpony
July 4-27, 2001: 9/11 Hijackers Spend Hundreds of Dollars on Porn and Sex ToysEdit event
9/11 hijackers Hamza Alghamdi and Marwan Alshehhi make two purchases of “pornographic video and sex toys” from a Florida store. They spend $252.17 on videos and toys at Video Outlet in Deerfield Beach on July 4, then return on July 27 and spend another $183.22. [FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION, 10/2001, PP. 176, 178, 196, 198 pdf file] These two and other hijackers are also reported to attend strip shows, watch porn, and use an escort service (see Before September 11, 2001 and September 7-11, 2001).
Entity Tags: Hamza Alghamdi, Marwan Alshehhi
Timeline Tags: Complete 911 Timeline, 9/11 Timeline
September 7-11, 2001: Some 9/11 Hijackers Sleep with ProstitutesEdit event

In the days before the attacks, some of the hijackers (including Waleed Alshehri and/or Wail Alshehri) apparently sleep with prostitutes in Boston hotel rooms, or at least try to do so. A driver working at an “escort service” used by the hijackers claims he regularly drove prostitutes to a relative of bin Laden about once a week until 9/11, when the relative disappeared. Bin Laden has several relatives in the Boston area, most or all of whom returned to Saudi Arabia right after 9/11. [BOSTON HERALD, 10/10/2001] On September 7, two female escorts are sent to “Arab men” in the Park Inn, Boston. One of the escorts will later say that a photo of Satam Al Suqami looks “very familiar.” [FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION, 10/2001, PP. 264 pdf file] On September 10, four other hijackers in Boston (Marwan Alshehhi, Fayez Ahmed Banihammad, Mohand Alshehri, and Satam Al Suqami) call around to find prostitutes to sleep with on their last night alive, but in the end decline. Says one official, “It was going to be really expensive and they couldn’t come to a consensus on price, so that was the end of it… Either they thought it was too extravagant [over $400] or they did not have enough money left.” [BOSTON GLOBE, 10/10/2001]
Entity Tags: Satam Al Suqami, Waleed Alshehri, Mohand Alshehri, Wail Alshehri, Fayez Ahmed Banihammad, Marwan Alshehhi, Osama bin Laden, Central Intelligence Agency
Timeline Tags: Complete 911 Timeline, 9/11 Timeline

 

[katydid23]

Ya know what? Lock me up then, because so am I! We (Western society) treat Muslims like garbage in the streets and then we are shocked and shaken when someone who hears voices is triggered by that treatment. Maybe if we stopped assuming every brown person is connected to terrorism, Muslims wouldn't feel so ostracized and abused? An Indian friend of mine from Chicago gets harassed everywhere he freaking goes because Western society is so ignorant about Muslims.






This wouldn't surprise me, and we can't be surprised if people become angry at Westerners for killing their families. Should they commit violence? No, but do we really blame them for wanting to?

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He and his family were run out of their country by THE TALIBAN. It was radical Muslims that they were running from, not the allies. They ran TO the allies, not away from them.

 

[Jennifer17]

He and his family were run out of their country by THE TALIBAN. It was radical Muslims that they were running from, not the allies. They ran TO the allies, not away from them.

Yes, then they see stuff like the comments here. Then they have bigoted politicians writing about them, playing oh so funny tricks like wearing a burka to parliament and people on the street telling them to go back to where they came from. It is enough to make you mentally ill, but Muslims aren't allowed to be mentally ill, only Greeks who do the same thing, and kill people are mentally ill.

 

[katydid23]

Yes, then they see stuff like the comments here. Then they have bigoted politicians writing about them, playing oh so funny tricks like wearing a burka to parliament and people on the street telling them to go back to where they came from. It is enough to make you mentally ill, but Muslims aren't allowed to be mentally ill, only Greeks who do the same thing, and kill people are mentally ill.

I don't buy the story that his 'mental illness' made him run a red light and plow through a crowd of people, on purpose, with his foot on the gas. I think that was a copy cat terroristic act. It was based upon recent previous terrorism, in my opinion.

It was not like he was out of his mind and so unstable, irrational, that he didn't know what he was doing, or didn't know that he was driving into a crowd. He did it on purpose. That is the very definition of terrorism. JMO

 

[katydid23]

Yes, then they see stuff like the comments here. Then they have bigoted politicians writing about them, playing oh so funny tricks like wearing a burka to parliament and people on the street telling them to go back to where they came from. It is enough to make you mentally ill, but Muslims aren't allowed to be mentally ill, only Greeks who do the same thing, and kill people are mentally ill.

How would there not be criticism and some backlash? Every culture/religion receives pushback and criticism from the public when they have some bad actors. Many of us left the Catholic Church in response to our own crisis. I totally understood the public scorn and criticism against our church and their leaders.

How would there not be some public criticism when people of the Muslim faith 'praise Allah' as they run a truck over a Christmas market full of children?

Sorry, but there is going to be some public discussion and some questions about how to prevent more from being radicalized.

 

[Jennifer17]

I don't buy the story that his 'mental illness' made him run a red light and plow through a crowd of people, on purpose, with his foot on the gas. I think that was a copy cat terroristic act. It was based upon recent previous terrorism, in my opinion.

It was not like he was out of his mind and so unstable, irrational, that he didn't know what he was doing, or didn't know that he was driving into a crowd. He did it on purpose. That is the very definition of terrorism. JMO

Hearing voices indicates mental illness to me.

 

[Jennifer17]

How would there not be criticism and some backlash? Every culture/religion receives pushback and criticism from the public when they have some bad actors. Many of us left the Catholic Church in response to our own crisis. I totally understood the public scorn and criticism against our church and their leaders.

How would there not be some public criticism when people of the Muslim faith 'praise Allah' as they run a truck over a Christmas market full of children?

Sorry, but there is going to be some public discussion and some questions about how to prevent more from being radicalized.

BBM. None of the comments here have any suggestions about how to prevent more from being radicalised. They are more likely to cause resentment and isolation.

 

[katydid23]

Hearing voices indicates mental illness to me.

And?

Does that negate the possibility of someone carrying out a terroristic murder?

I think that most terrorists have some form of mental health issues, in order to even conceive of killing innocents.

 

[katydid23]

BBM. None of the comments here have any suggestions about how to prevent more from being radicalised. They are more likely to cause resentment and isolation.

Resentment agains the victims of the terrorism for complaint about the murders?

 

[Jennifer17]

Resentment agains the victims of the terrorism for complaint about the murders?

No, the whole generalisation of it. There was outrage at the Greek man who did the same, but not outrage at the Greek community.

 

[Bohemian]

“The reality is, we have got a man who has got mental health *issues, who is on a mental health plan and who has drug issues, and then he commits this act.

“You take into account, what are the circumstances about this person? What are his views he has expressed before? Is he expressing any support for terrorist groups or anything like that? We haven’t got that here. We haven’t seen that. We have, if you like, isolated comments made in an interview.

“Is that enough to say this is a terrorism event?’’

The Weekend Australian has been told Mr Noori was committed for two weeks as an involuntary psychiatric patient earlier this year. He is also a heavy user of methamphetamine, or ice.

Authorities suspect he may have been suffering from the residual effects of post-traumatic stress disorder as a result of his life in Afghanistan.

The decision not to declare the Flinders Street attack a terrorist incident was made by the joint management committee, a counter terrorism steering committee made up of assistant commissioners from the Australian Federal Police, Victoria Police and ASIO.

The committee convened by phone hook-up on Thursday and decided the legal threshold had not been met to charge Mr Noori with terror offences..............


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...s/news-story/c44a902a4dead0794dd8baf810717431
Police to zero in on lone wolf ‘obsessives’

Involuntary admission .... that would indicated that earlier this year he was a risk to others and/or himself. imo.

Still not an excuse:

‘‘While it has been raised that the alleged perpetrator may have mental health issues it is unclear at this time what those may have been,’ RANZCP President, Dr Kym Jenkins said.

‘Mental illness and violent crimes are not synonymous. Most people with mental illness are not violent, and it is incorrect to assume that those with mental illness are more likely to be violent criminals.’

‘Assumptions such as this only add to the awful stigma that surrounds mental health issues, and thus prevents many vulnerable people from seeking help,’ [...]

https://www.ranzcp.org/News-policy/News/RANZCP-homepage-item.aspx

 

[katydid23]

No, the whole generalisation of it. There was outrage at the Greek man who did the same, but not outrage at the Greek community.

Why would there be? Does the Greek community have a massive online presence, threatening to kill Christians and Jews during the holidays? Have they been beheading people and attacking police with machetes?

 

[Tawny]

Why would there be? Does the Greek community have a massive online presence, threatening to kill Christians and Jews during the holidays? Have they been beheading people and attacking police with machetes?

The Muslim community doesn't have that either.