Found Deceased Australia - Russell Hill, 74, & Carol Clay, 72, Wonnangatta Valley, 20 March 2020 #2

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if it was there, the drone may have been burnt with the phone in the tent?

Inspector Stamper says both items could have been destroyed beyond recognition in the fire, but it would have been out of character for Russell to leave expensive items in a tent

Four people have gone missing within a 60km radius in the past year. Their fate remains a mystery
Yes...having been burnt in the tent seems like a real possibility to me. Several drones have the nighttime flying feature--maybe he was flying his drone shortly before going to bed, which could explain why it would be in the tent. Does anyone know if RH's drone could be flown at night?
 
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Police renew call for information regarding to missing campers

"We've had a number of people who were in the area around the time they went missing come forward however I can't stress enough that anyone with even the slightest piece of information is urged to contact us.

"Police are extremely grateful for the many people who have come forward so far.

"If you were in the Wonnangatta or surrounding areas around this time but for whatever reason have not spoken to police, we'd still very much like to you to contact us.

"We know there were vehicles in the area at the time with Victorian, NSW, Tasmanian, Queensland and South Australian registrations, so potentially there are people now interstate who have some information or need to contact us with their details.

Police have made extensive inquiries in relation to the drone and its flight logs which have not provided any further information.

Information was later received about sighting of an older person or pair in the Black Snake Creek, Eaglevale River crossing and the Ollies Jump area on March 22 and 23, however have never been able to establish if this was the missing campers.

Detectives call for anyone in this area, any older couple who may be these persons, to also come forward.
 
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Police have released an image of a white Toyota Landcruiser.CREDIT:VICTORIA POLICE

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Why wasn’t ALL the side of the vehicle smoke damaged?
IMO the fire was outside the tent attached as the smoke damage shows on the side of the vehicle.
Looking at the poles etc on the ground it looks to me the tent/shelter fell from the vehicle before it took hold of the ute.
 
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Police have released an image of a white Toyota Landcruiser.CREDIT:VICTORIA POLICE

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Why wasn’t ALL the side of the vehicle smoke damaged?
IMO the fire was outside the tent attached as the smoke damage shows on the side of the vehicle.
Looking at the poles etc on the ground it looks to me the tent/shelter fell from the vehicle before it took hold of the ute.
I was thinking that the tent was on fire spreading from the inside or from the side of the tent far from the vehicle. And as the tent was consumed the poles no longer had that tension holding them up, so they fell, some of them--especially those of the canopy--onto the car. Just small amounts of burning tent fabric still connected to the poles then flapped about against the vehicle until going out because nothing left to burn.
 
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Is this the culprit? A burnt car battery among the ruins.
A truck battery wouldn’t have wing-nuts.

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anything is possible--regarding what started the campsite fire. IMO, finding the bodies of RH and CC (if they died...which in all probability they did) will provide the huge puzzle piece completing the picture as to what happened to them, and why and how their campsite burnt down.
 
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Yahoo shooters?
1) Shot at the drone
2) Russell went after it/them
3) He was shot
4) They shot Carol.
Maybe the camp burnt because it was unattended.
 
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I was thinking that the tent was on fire spreading from the inside or from the side of the tent far from the vehicle. And as the tent was consumed the poles no longer had that tension holding them up, so they fell, some of them--especially those of the canopy--onto the car. Just small amounts of burning tent fabric still connected to the poles then flapped about against the vehicle until going out because nothing left to burn.
Here's my 2 cents again...I think it would have been very difficult, if not impossible, to start a "control" fire of the campsite in view of the scorch marks on RH's truck--a controlled fire wouldn't have burnt RH's truck in the manner that it did, imo. And, more importantly, what would have been the purpose of two scorch marks on the truck instead of burning out the truck completely? The truck was left relatively undamaged and capable of being driven with RH and CC's personal belongings left inside, which suggests to me...the fire happened as a result of random spontaneous combustion. I think the investigators have whittled down the possible reasons for RH and CC disappearance and are now totally focused on finding their bodies in proximity to their camping area.
 
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A marine battery.
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  • Install a cover or “boot” over the top of the positive battery terminal. The boot prevents sparks and arcing and possible explosion if, for instance, a tool is dropped on the terminal
 
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Police renew call for information regarding to missing campers

"We've had a number of people who were in the area around the time they went missing come forward however I can't stress enough that anyone with even the slightest piece of information is urged to contact us.

"Police are extremely grateful for the many people who have come forward so far.

"If you were in the Wonnangatta or surrounding areas around this time but for whatever reason have not spoken to police, we'd still very much like to you to contact us.

"We know there were vehicles in the area at the time with Victorian, NSW, Tasmanian, Queensland and South Australian registrations, so potentially there are people now interstate who have some information or need to contact us with their details.

Police have made extensive inquiries in relation to the drone and its flight logs which have not provided any further information.

Information was later received about sighting of an older person or pair in the Black Snake Creek, Eaglevale River crossing and the Ollies Jump area on March 22 and 23, however have never been able to establish if this was the missing campers.

Detectives call for anyone in this area, any older couple who may be these persons, to also come forward.

Just to give us an idea of these others areas they are speaking of ... Black Snake Creek, etc. And their vicinity to Wonnangatta Valley.

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Here's my 2 cents again...I think it would have been very difficult, if not impossible, to start a "control" fire of the campsite in view of the scorch marks on RH's truck--a controlled fire wouldn't have burnt RH's truck in the manner that it did, imo. And, more importantly, what would have been the purpose of two scorch marks on the truck instead of burning out the truck completely? The truck was left relatively undamaged and capable of being driven with RH and CC's personal belongings left inside, which suggests to me...the fire happened as a result of random spontaneous combustion. I think the investigators have whittled down the possible reasons for RH and CC disappearance and are now totally focused on finding their bodies in proximity to their camping area.
Just a thought, but accidentally burning down one's campsite might be a pretty heavy blow to someone like RH, after a lifetime of experience in the bush and a pride in being 'meticulous'. Not just personally losing all his gear, expensive drone, etc, but imagining having to explain it to his buddies. And then, that it would probably expose his relationship with his secret camping companion, who herself might have reacted badly, and have potentially major consequences on his family life. In some unstable people, not really prepared to face the consequences, could it be the kind of blow that leads to rash action?
 
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Just a thought, but accidentally burning down one's campsite might be a pretty heavy blow to someone like RH, after a lifetime of experience in the bush and a pride in being 'meticulous'. Not just personally losing all his gear, expensive drone, etc, but imagining having to explain it to his buddies. And then, that it would probably expose his relationship with his secret camping companion, who herself might have reacted badly, and have potentially major consequences on his family life. In some unstable people, not really prepared to face the consequences, could it be the kind of blow that leads to rash action?
That's a very interesting thought. I agree, if the campsite fire accidentally happened while they were at the tent area or down by the river, the shock could have resulted in them doing something out of the ordinary to deal with it.
 
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i wonder if any fire retardant was found by forensics, how would you put out a fire that size quickly, unless you had buckets of water or hose?
 
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russell may have carried a small fire extinguisher in his truck?
 
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Here's my 2 cents again...I think it would have been very difficult, if not impossible, to start a "control" fire of the campsite in view of the scorch marks on RH's truck--a controlled fire wouldn't have burnt RH's truck in the manner that it did, imo. And, more importantly, what would have been the purpose of two scorch marks on the truck instead of burning out the truck completely? The truck was left relatively undamaged and capable of being driven with RH and CC's personal belongings left inside, which suggests to me...the fire happened as a result of random spontaneous combustion. I think the investigators have whittled down the possible reasons for RH and CC disappearance and are now totally focused on finding their bodies in proximity to their camping area.
I'm not sure I understand this as a response to my post. I don't have anything to contribute on whether or not the fire was controlled. I'm not surprised the truck isn't completely burnt out, it would be nowhere near as flammable as a tent. The toilet tent (and also the bush) being intact is more surprising, but in the first place I suspect the photographs are compressing depth further from the lens, and then perhaps the wind was the other way.
 
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I'm not sure I understand this as a response to my post. I don't have anything to contribute on whether or not the fire was controlled. I'm not surprised the truck isn't completely burnt out, it would be nowhere near as flammable as a tent. The toilet tent (and also the bush) being intact is more surprising, but in the first place I suspect the photographs are compressing depth further from the lens, and then perhaps the wind was the other way.

I suspect the breeze was slightly blowing away from the shrubbery behind ... due to direction of the burned 'fanning' marks on the vehicle.

If a breeze was blowing in the direction that the fanning seems to indicate was, there would be virtually nothing else for the fire to feed on - as the tent was evidently pitched in a clearing.

IMO
 
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