Found Deceased Australia - Russell Hill, 74, & Carol Clay, 72, Wonnangatta Valley, 20 March 2020 #3

[trixie_au]

The mysterious white ute (see pic, from A Current Affair) seems to be an LDV brand. I know this is just a general pic but I wonder if police have reason to believe it might actually be this brand and model (T60), maybe from tyre prints. There aren't many LDV dealers in Vic - but there is one in both Sale and in Bairnsdale. LDV Australia - Locate a Dealer

JMO but I honestly don’t think anyone would be game enough to take an LDV into that area, especially if travelling alone. The tracks in aren’t really suitable for these cheap chinese utes, they break waaaaay too easily. Definitely not a hunters vehicle. I think ACA have just googled for a white 4wd dual cab and grabbed a random pic. Some other articles are showing a different make of vehicle.

 

[Marchalot]

But why go at all if he didn't feel safe? There's plenty of other places to go.

Russell may have had a reason to go back a week later ? A extra set of eyes , safety in numbers bc of a run-in , getting away from Melbourne, thoughts of moving up too high country, business up there (legal) .had he purchased property up there or going too?.. had hunters bothered him last time week earlier but still had the urge to be back. .... so many questions... how hard to charge a poi without the bodies

 

[Marchalot]

JMO but I honestly don’t think anyone would be game enough to take an LDV into that area, especially if travelling alone. The tracks in aren’t really suitable for these cheap chinese utes, they break waaaaay too easily. Definitely not a hunters vehicle. I think ACA have just googled for a white 4wd dual cab and grabbed a random pic. Some other articles are showing a different make of vehicle.

you would if it's high enough off the ground and you are desperate

 

[Monsoon]

JMO but I honestly don’t think anyone would be game enough to take an LDV into that area, especially if travelling alone. The tracks in aren’t really suitable for these cheap chinese utes, they break waaaaay too easily. Definitely not a hunters vehicle. I think ACA have just googled for a white 4wd dual cab and grabbed a random pic. Some other articles are showing a different make of vehicle.

Ah good point!

 

[BrumbyJack]

But why go at all if he didn't feel safe? There's plenty of other places to go.

Yer, I don’t reckon he’d have taken her up there if he felt unsafe. If he was worried about something or someone, he’d have taken a mate for a back-up.

 

[Marchalot]

Yer, I don’t reckon he’d have taken her up there if he felt unsafe. If he was worried about something or someone, he’d have taken a mate for a back-up.

Maybe cc was the only one he confided in about something so the only one who went with him. .. pure speculation, another theory..who knows

 

[Satchie]

Maybe cc was the only one he confided in about something so the only one who went with him. .. pure speculation, another theory..who knows

Anything can be dreamed up by a vivid imagination. But IMO it doesn't really acquire the status of a theory unless it has some level of probability, ie reflects some kind of reality in the way that people actually behave.

JMO

 

[Marchalot]

You'd be surprised what's come out of others imagination, sometimes a truth. Speculations are a form of imagination, when there's no clear direction of a crime ..........Imagination: Doesn't always mean your in a world of Disney

 

[Kemug]

Does anyone else feel like it's "deja vu all over again"? How many times in the last year and a bit have we thought we were so near to solving this mystery, and the police were about to pounce, and then - nothing happens, and we all calm down again. Not good for the nerves, and especially not for the family's.

 

[curiouser and curiouser]

That’s exactly what I was thinking, so came to the thread to see if anyone had posted any updates and see your comment!

It’s been hyped up so much the last couple of weeks... and then nothing. Again.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

For me, so far I've never once felt it was even close to being solved.

Hopefully one day.

Does anyone else feel like it's "deja vu all over again"? How many times in the last year and a bit have we thought we were so near to solving this mystery, and the police were about to pounce, and then - nothing happens, and we all calm down again. Not good for the nerves, and especially not for the family's.

 

[Marchalot]

That’s exactly what I was thinking, so came to the thread to see if anyone had posted any updates and see your comment!

It’s been hyped up so much the last couple of weeks... and then nothing. You'd think something happening if There's a reason to search up at mt Hotham

For me, so far I've never once felt it was even close to being solved.

Hopefully one day.

For me at times I think it's just around the corner , being solved. Then it does seem like nothing . . ....... Yes, hopefully soon

 

[SouthAussie]

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If things go how they often seem to go, one day - out of the blue - there will be an arrest(s). When we are least expecting it.

 

[BrumbyJack]

Logistically thinking, how many cement bags and how much water would you need to cover up that situation, because you’d have to haul it in to where the mine shafts are and then you’d have to spend a bit of time there doing that wouldn’t you? AT a decent risk of being caught in a very unexplainable situation.
I suppose once they’re down a mineshaft though (if that’s what happened) you can’t really get them back out again so your ‘covering up’ methods would be limited. Just thinking out loud. I feel like the shovels are more likely to be owned by (or obtained from) a concretor... ohhhh I’ve just worked out what the previous poster might have meant with the concrete yard being over the back fence from the taxidermists.

Cement and water just makes mortar and that would be a waste of time and effort. So besides bags of cement you’d also need a source of sand, gravel and water so you can make concrete. Plus a wheelbarrow or something to mix it all together in. Or did you actually mean to say concrete, not cement? Coz you’d need a tonne of readymix bags if thats actually what you meant.

and those shovels, a concreter would have better shovels than those cheap things. They look like the Bunnings ones. Only good for snow up here. Hope you guys aren’t implying the concrete guys in Mansy are involved in this.

 

[BrumbyJack]

"The most common and easiest round to get is the .22 caliber. It can travel around 1.5 miles at a 12,000 foot altitude," Paskiewicz said.

Many factors go into where a bullet travels like wind, obstacles, weight of bullet and trajectory.
"The most common and easiest round to get is the .22 caliber. It can travel around 1.5 miles at a 12,000 foot altitude," Paskiewicz said.

Many factors go into where a bullet travels like wind, obstacles, weight of bullet and trajectory.
"A .45 caliber bullet can go about 5,000 ft. in distance with the same factors involved,"
"A 9 mm can travel 2.5 to 3 miles, sometimes a little further depending on the shape of the bullet," he said.

Having collateral damage with a firearm that's discharged wildly is very likely that someone can cause death or injury
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if you guys are going with the rogue deer hunter story, a lot of hardcore hunters make their own ammo. I guess if they find bodies with bullet patterns that show they’re homemade I would look at hunters. Bit hard to know without the bodies, and I don’t think any arrests will be made until they’re found.

 

[4Erica]

if you guys are going with the rogue deer hunter story, a lot of hardcore hunters up here make their own ammo. I guess if they find bodies with bullet patterns that show they’re homemade I would look at hunters. Bit hard to know without the bodies, and I don’t think any arrests will be made until they’re found.

What type of pattern would a homemade bullet make that would be different from a manufactured bullet?

 

[BrumbyJack]

What type of pattern would a homemade bullet make that would be different from a manufactured bullet?

little imperfections and telltale signs from the moulds.Depends what ammo you’re making.

 

[4Erica]

little imperfections and telltale signs from the moulds.

But would those marks be large enough to see in the wound itself? Wouldn't you still need the bullet to eventually match to the rifle?

I guess I'm asking if the bullet would pass through or remain lodged in the tissue in your opinion?

 

[BrumbyJack]

Would those marks be large enough to see in the wound itself?

I meant if the bodies were found with bullets still in them. Forensics and all that. Reminds me of a few years back out with some mates looking at hard garbage, we found a full (but old) bullet kit reloader and moulds. One bloke was gonna grab it until someone else jokingly said what if it was connected to murders or other crimes. We all laughed, left it there but I know someone did pick it up. Worth a little bit to just chuck out like that.

 

[Marchalot]

if you guys are going with the rogue deer hunter story, a lot of hardcore hunters make their own ammo. I guess if they find bodies with bullet patterns that show they’re homemade I would look at hunters. Bit hard to know without the bodies, and I don’t think any arrests will be made until they’re i wonder what they made of the holes in cabin..If bullet holes? Be interesting if home-made