Found Deceased Australia - Samuel Thompson, 22, Albion, Qld, 7 March 2017 *Arrests* #1

[possumheart]

I know that someone has to do it but I always wonder how defence lawyers sleep at night. To represent people who they will know are guilty ( And I am not talking about this case). Like when does one decide they want to be a defence lawyer against scum of the earth?

My niece's husband is one. From a very bright family. I have never asked him why, but I believe he feels for the underdog. He is on extended stress leave at only 33.

 

[SouthAussie]

I know that someone has to do it but I always wonder how defence lawyers sleep at night. To represent people who they will know are guilty ( And I am not talking about this case). Like when does one decide they want to be a defence lawyer against scum of the earth?

I think there is a lot more money to be made in being a criminal defence lawyer than there is in being a prosecutor representing the victims.

And I believe that when we were looking at lawyers in another case, we discovered that some part time prosecutors also had their own criminal defence practice. That the prosecution staff actually consisted of a certain amount of fulltime prosecutors, and then a handful or so of lawyers that they utilised for additional case loads.

 

[Seabreeze1]

I would imagine the stress would be huge!

My niece's husband is one. From a very bright family. I have never asked him why, but I believe he feels for the underdog. He is on extended stress leave at only 33.

 

[Seabreeze1]

I think there is a lot more money to be made in being a criminal defence lawyer than there is in being a prosecutor representing the victims.

And I believe that when we were looking at lawyers in another case, we discovered that some part time prosecutors also had their own criminal defence practice. That the prosecution staff actually consisted of a certain amount of fulltime prosecutors, and then a handful or so of lawyers that they utilised for additional case loads.

Interesting! thank you.

 

[SouthAussie]

https://www.facebook.com/MoretonCrimeWatch/?hc_ref=SEARCH

(I see in the comments section that someone refers to a body being found....but LE hasn't officially announced that)

RSBM

O/T I was wondering what the heck all the comments that were just an "F" meant. Google says that people do that to 'F'ollow the comments, so they will be notified of new comments. But that it annoys people who are alerted of new comments, and all they find are a whole string of F comments. :giggle:

Learn something new every day!

 

[possumheart]

RSBM

O/T I was wondering what the heck all the comments that were just an "F" meant. Google says that people do that to 'F'ollow the comments, so they will be notified of new comments. But that it annoys people who are alerted of new comments, and all they find are a whole string of F comments. :giggle:

Learn something new every day!

Particularly annoying when they can just follow the post by going up to the corner of the post and clicking the right thing, but it doesn't stress me. You see it on Websleuths where people write 'marking my spot', rather than subscribing to the thread.

 

[Fieldsroyal]

I know that someone has to do it but I always wonder how defence lawyers sleep at night. To represent people who they will know are guilty ( And I am not talking about this case). Like when does one decide they want to be a defence lawyer against scum of the earth?

Can you imagine what a society without defence lawyers would look like? Our system is an adversarial one premised on two sides "competing" as it were - if the Crown case is strong enough it should prevail right? Without the "other-side" putting the Crown to proof, individuals could be falsely charged and convicted, their liberty taken away

 

[Seabreeze1]

Can you imagine what a society without defence lawyers would look like? Our system is an adversarial one premised on two sides "competing" as it were - if the Crown case is strong enough it should prevail right? Without the "other-side" putting the Crown to proof, individuals could be falsely charged and convicted, their liberty taken away

Don't get me wrong I agree with what you're saying and know that we need both, what baffles me is how some defence lawyers can take on a case when every man and his dog knows he/she has done it and they still defend them. MOO

 

[possumheart]

Can you imagine what a society without defence lawyers would look like? Our system is an adversarial one premised on two sides "competing" as it were - if the Crown case is strong enough it should prevail right? Without the "other-side" putting the Crown to proof, individuals could be falsely charged and convicted, their liberty taken away

Um, there would be no court case without two sides ...

 

[possumheart]

Don't get me wrong I agree with what you're saying and know that we need both, what baffles me is how some defence lawyers can take on a case when every man and his dog knows he/she has done it and they still defend them. MOO

Just being paid to sharpen their debating skills ...

 

[MsAnais]

Don't get me wrong I agree with what you're saying and know that we need both, what baffles me is how some defence lawyers can take on a case when every man and his dog knows he/she has done it and they still defend them. MOO

I think it's based on the premise that everyone is equally deserving of fair representation. And innocent until proven guilty.

And the fact is, just because we THINK that the army dude did it - at this point none of us here know 100% that he did do it. So until it's proven or he confesses, then he's entitled to legal representation.

Saying all of that - I totally get what you're saying Seabreeze & Fieldsroyal. I used to work in child protection and if a child disclosed sexual abuse to me I'd often end up in court, testifying against the pedophile parents. I couldn't believe that anyone defended these people....there was SO much evidence against them. The odds were incredibly low that they were innocent. I had to continually remind myself they were entitled to legal representation. But my god it was hard. The defense lawyer and the creepy perps all blurred into one horrid mass in my eyes......I had to constantly battle to remain calm when dealing with them.

 

[Seabreeze1]

I think it's based on the premise that everyone is equally deserving of fair representation. And innocent until proven guilty.

And the fact is, just because we THINK that the army dude did it - at this point none of us here know 100% that he did do it. So until it's proven or he confesses, then he's entitled to legal representation.

Saying all of that - I totally get what you're saying Seabreeze & Fieldsroyal. I used to work in child protection and if a child disclosed sexual abuse to me I'd often end up in court, testifying against the pedophile parents. I couldn't believe that anyone defended these people....there was SO much evidence against them. The odds were incredibly low that they were innocent. I had to continually remind myself they were entitled to legal representation. But my god it was hard. The defense lawyer and the creepy perps all blurred into one horrid mass in my eyes......I had to constantly battle to remain calm when dealing with them.

It was along those lines that I was directing my question about defence lawyers. In Daniel Morcombes case I often wondered if the defence lawyer went home and vomited just thinking of the low life he was representing.

 

[MsAnais]

It was along those lines that I was directing my question about defence lawyers. In Daniel Morcombes case I often wondered if the defence lawyer went home and vomited just thinking of the low life he was representing.

I know. I have ZERO idea how they can live with themselves in cases involving children. :facepalm:

 

[Karinna]

I think that is what happened. LE arrested weakest link 1st who squealed resulting in arrest of 2nd suspect. MOO

Yep, i agree. I think RB was the weakest link too, not the same bdass the other guy thinks he is, and that's why LE were able to make such a quick second arrest. I think there will be forensic evidence to nail them with as well.

 

[Karinna]

It was along those lines that I was directing my question about defence lawyers. In Daniel Morcombes case I often wondered if the defence lawyer went home and vomited just thinking of the low life he was representing.

A lot of defense lawyers are bottom feeders IMO, and they lie in court too trying to get a perp. off the hook. The poster child i saw for that was Jose Baez in the Casey Anthony Trial.

 

[Karinna]

Can you imagine what a society without defence lawyers would look like? Our system is an adversarial one premised on two sides "competing" as it were - if the Crown case is strong enough it should prevail right? Without the "other-side" putting the Crown to proof, individuals could be falsely charged and convicted, their liberty taken away

I don't know much about Australia's justice system in that regard, but in the US there are still plenty of wrongful convictions regardless. No justice system is perfect i don't think, but there is nothing else at the moment. Maybe that will change if and when people realise the only thing to do is the right thing, and have much better respect for human life. We can only hope, and then we would have no need for a judicial system at all.

 

[Fieldsroyal]

Um, there would be no court case without two sides ...

And therein lies the problem - thank you for illustrating my point

 

[possumheart]

The mental stress of high-intensity criminal or civil cases can have dramatic consequences on an individual’s mind. An attorney may begin to experience obsessive thoughts, difficulty concentrating, heart palpitations, depression, anxiety, and sometimes even suicidal thoughts. Suicide is particularly prevalent within the legal profession, in comparison to other professions.
http://crimlawpracblog.wixsite.com/...Role-of-Mental-Health-in-the-Legal-Profession

 

[possumheart]

And therein lies the problem - thank you for illustrating my point

Wow, your quotations are all over the shop there Fieldster! You have you saying what I said, but I get your drift.

 

[Karinna]

The mental stress of high-intensity criminal or civil cases can have dramatic consequences on an individual’s mind. An attorney may begin to experience obsessive thoughts, difficulty concentrating, heart palpitations, depression, anxiety, and sometimes even suicidal thoughts. Suicide is particularly prevalent within the legal profession, in comparison to other professions.
http://crimlawpracblog.wixsite.com/...Role-of-Mental-Health-in-the-Legal-Profession

Not a career for the faint hearted then,