Found Deceased Australia - Samuel Thompson, 22, Albion, Qld, 7 March 2017 *Arrests* #4

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Yeah WAP if you ask me

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[possumheart]

Yeah WAP if you ask me

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You forgot to link, seek
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=WAP
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[Marples]

If any of you had listened to the police presser properly Sam's dad was talking about his car. He mentioned a few details and stated the bank would of taken care of that. So if ST had of got a loan from the bank for his vehicle he would i imagine have been paying it off. He would of paid in full for the vehicle, but the loan would of been repayments. So Sam's car i think would be owned by the bank depending on how many payments are still owed and is property of the bank. Just like when you don't continue loan repayments whatever you're paying off gets repossessed. Unless ST's family is paying it off still?
There also is no verified information that Sam obtained ill gotten money from drugs, All IMO.

I only recall one presser where ST's father discusses the car's purchase. The one where when asked how ST afforded the car, his father replied probably with help from the bank and that ST did things his own way. This presser has been discussed at length in earlier threads so I've not linked it.

I don't recall any presser where ST's father talked about the bank taking care of anything? Happy to be wrong, of course. Do you have a link to the presser where ST's father talks about the bank taking care of things?

Thanks!


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[Marples]

I have a question for our learned sleuthers. Would it be the normal for a window to be left open/ajar whilst a forensic investigation is being conducted? I'm only asking as when I drove past RB'S whilst the police were there it stuck out to me that 1 awning window was clearly open, whilst no others were clearly open. I would have taken a photo but the officer in the van out front was obviously checking every vehicle as they past. The window was at the back right hand side. FYI whilst the investigation was going on that day (possibly a Sunday imo) there was a Le car parked opposite the window on the lot next door. I have always wondered why the accused would allegedly purchase these items several days after Sam went missing. Could Sam have been still onsite for a time causing an odour given the delay in purchasing said items? All moo with respect.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...s/news-story/b6e1c68863baf19e169dbb7c68314612

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The after the event purchases do seem odd, hey? I wondered if as a gardening man, RB had those items and bought replacements if his were ruined in the alleged attack on ST? Just do it looked like he hadn't lost his stuff if anyone questioned it. Like most of the post event behaviour, it seems bizarre and poorly thought out.

IMO. JMO. MOO et al



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[slinkyminx73]

The after the event purchases do seem odd, hey? I wondered if as a gardening man, RB had those items and bought replacements if his were ruined in the alleged attack on ST? Just do it looked like he hadn't lost his stuff if anyone questioned it. Like most of the post event behaviour, it seems bizarre and poorly thought out.

IMO. JMO. MOO et al



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Even tho we think it's odd, it's possibly perfectly plausible in the state the boys would have been in if his alleged incident happened this way.

They seem to have done all 'logical' things if you think about them in the opposite way to real logic.
Again I'm using my investigative skills so all MOO and happy to hash this out a bit?
Anyone else think this could be plausible? That they did what whatever they thought was rational at the time considering they possibly just committed a murder?

IMO JMO MOO



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[Marples]

I am going by what the moderator posted up on page #1 on this thread:
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RSBM
Brainstorming theories is encouraged, but must be based on fact. For our purposes, "fact" refers to information published in the mainstream media (MSM) or other acceptable sources, such as academic and professional publications.
(unquote)

I have seen nothing factual in MSM or otherwise stated as acceptable source that the victim was drug dealing/trafficking? But that could change at some stage?

A fact that was published in MSM was that ST was unemployed. No one I have seen has stated for a fact ST was in the drug business.

However, people's interest was piqued by ST's unemployment while maintaining a seemingly expensive lifestyle. People have speculated all kinds of theories for this: family money, drugs, sale of other contraband.

People's interest was also piqued by LE's statement about "unsavory characters" that ST associated with. In my opinion, it's not completely illogical to think a person with unsavory connections may be or have been involved in unsavoury dealings themselves.

No one on here knows for sure why ST was killed. People can put forward theories. ST reportedly loved his dog. I could put a theory out there he was killed for the proceeds of a 5c lemonade stand he was running for blind, three legged dogs. Outlandish theory? Yep. But still a theory based on a statements made in MSM. Just like some of the, in my opinion, far less outlandish theories put by posters on here.






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[Horror]

Even tho we think it's odd, it's possibly perfectly plausible in the state the boys would have been in if his alleged incident happened this way.

They seem to have done all 'logical' things if you think about them in the opposite way to real logic.
Again I'm using my investigative skills so all MOO and happy to hash this out a bit?
Anyone else think this could be plausible? That they did what whatever they thought was rational at the time considering they possibly just committed a murder?

IMO JMO MOO



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I see what your saying and yes particularly if they were scattered or what not - ST one way, car the other, clean house, act normal, replace things we all good man ! Disgusting creatures


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[Marples]

<modsnip>


What still irks me, if we're all of the opinion Sam was drug dealing or money laundering, w/e, why didn't the police think the same when he, a 22yr old childcare worker reported his ($60,000-70,000) Mustang and luxury goods stolen back in Sept? It's not adding up, imo. It was a home invasion crime too which is extremely suspicious.



http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...t/news-story/8eee96e337f56fffa7f9f8c1bb2f32b7

This is from an old article about home invasions increasing since 2013 especially on the Gold Coast.

Is it because Sam didn't fit the profile? There is more to this imo, and it does stem back to the robbery and what the police noted back then. This couldn't have been investigated as a run-of-the-mill theft of a car, so why was Sam able to continue his illegal activities? UNLESS, he was able to prove on paper a legitimate reason for the money which enabled him to buy an expensive car and accessories. Police don't just take your word for it, believe me, they don't.

Perhaps LE left it be, hoping something might materialize out of it: a long game approach?

Perhaps LE felt the robbery was an inside/insurance job?

Both just theories, possibilities. Because there are a few ways I can think to make yourself seem employed/self employed, to account for cash income.


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[Marples]

They didn't even know where Sam was at that stage. They were generalising. If they had arrested them they wouldn't be calling for public help still.

Agree. Also possible if ST was linked to quite a few unsavory types, it may have taken some time to work out which ones they were seeking.


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[Marples]

40+ is a huge number of police to pull from every case and from all their respective jurisdictions to look for a missing person.

They were grilled by the press about how many were on the case. They didn't just offer up the info. Evidently the press may have heard whispers in the circles that the court and crime reporters move in imo. The questions they asked were quite pointed.

Which leads me to wonder, if Sam was an informant, do the perps get the same penalty that you get for killing a police officer?

Sadly it's my understanding, no. I believe the mandatory term is only for knowingly killing a police officer.


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[Marples]

For QLD is was very quick response for a 'simple' missing person.
I can't wait for more LE info if we do get it.
The investigator in me has a few theories but it was a very quick and targeted response yes I agree IMO.


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I have a few theories too<modsnip>


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[sydney1]

https://www.houseofnames.com/dyball-family-crest
Heritage is Gaelic?

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It is spelled using Irish while Morney is in Scotland, who would of spoken a different dialect.

Anyway, it is neither here nor there, just peaked my interest as I am Irish and did not expext to see an Irish tattoo on him!

 

[Marples]

Even tho we think it's odd, it's possibly perfectly plausible in the state the boys would have been in if his alleged incident happened this way.

They seem to have done all 'logical' things if you think about them in the opposite way to real logic.
Again I'm using my investigative skills so all MOO and happy to hash this out a bit?
Anyone else think this could be plausible? That they did what whatever they thought was rational at the time considering they possibly just committed a murder?

IMO JMO MOO



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Oh agree. I especially think if they were drug affected they may have thought they had their ducks in a row.




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[SouthAussie]

Originally Posted by Karinna

If any of you had listened to the police presser properly Sam's dad was talking about his car. He mentioned a few details and stated the bank would of taken care of that. So if ST had of got a loan from the bank for his vehicle he would i imagine have been paying it off. He would of paid in full for the vehicle, but the loan would of been repayments. So Sam's car i think would be owned by the bank depending on how many payments are still owed and is property of the bank. Just like when you don't continue loan repayments whatever you're paying off gets repossessed. Unless ST's family is paying it off still?
There also is no verified information that Sam obtained ill gotten money from drugs, All IMO.

BBM
I think many of us listened to the police presser properly. And as I had a day off yesterday, I thought I would transcribe the portion about Sam&#8217;s car, as spoken by Sam&#8217;s dad. I don&#8217;t believe he said anything about the bank taking care of anything. Just that he &#8216;supposes&#8217; a bank may have helped. Unless you have some other link/transcription?

Thanks.


Reporter: A lot of focus of the investigation that we have been involved with has been surrounding his car. Can you tell us a little bit about his relationship with that car, what it did mean to him, as well?

Bruce: I remember about 12-18 months ago, Sam said .. you know .. when he first heard the Mustang was coming out to Australia, he said he wanted one. But then Sam wanted a lot of things .. you know .. like most kids do. And to be perfectly honest, when he said he was gonna buy one, I went yeah, yep, yep, Sam, okay.
Told us he put an order in for one. I took that with a grain of salt, to be perfectly honest. And it wasn&#8217;t until <wife whispers something> yeah, it was 12 months previous, he had to wait 12 months.
And it really was a case of I&#8217;ll believe it when it happens. It was just one of those wish lists, like he wanted to go back to Europe, he wanted to do a lot of things. He was ambitious.
I really can&#8217;t tell you much more than that. Except for the fact that he did get the car.

Reporter: He must have saved incredibly hard for it, too, then.

Bruce: I suppose he must have done. yeah. <wife whispers something to Bruce> With the help of the bank, s&#8217;pose. As I say, he did things his way.

https://www.northernstar.com.au/news/video-homicide-detectives-still-on-the-hunt-for-th/3157682/


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[SouthAussie]

Even tho we think it's odd, it's possibly perfectly plausible in the state the boys would have been in if his alleged incident happened this way.

They seem to have done all 'logical' things if you think about them in the opposite way to real logic.
Again I'm using my investigative skills so all MOO and happy to hash this out a bit?
Anyone else think this could be plausible? That they did what whatever they thought was rational at the time considering they possibly just committed a murder?

IMO JMO MOO

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Oh yes, I agree. They did all of the things that required doing. Get rid of Sam, get rid of his car … far from the crime scene and them. Get rid of a carpet. Replace any evidential tools. Clean up the house with potent agents.
They carried out these tasks quite ‘diligently’. They were just not smart enough to think about their ping trail, the CCTV trail, witnesses, identification of their vehicle(s), evidence of any purchases …..

Carried away by the power of their alleged actions? Affected by drugs? Brains addled by stress following their alleged actions?

I also remember from another thread, that murdered persons are frequently located within a certain distance from the residence (if the murder occurs at a residence). Can’t recall the distance, but it was within an hour or two drive-distance. Enough time for the murderer to be gone, but not missed, usually.


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[SouthAussie]

I only recall one presser where ST's father discusses the car's purchase. The one where when asked how ST afforded the car, his father replied probably with help from the bank and that ST did things his own way. This presser has been discussed at length in earlier threads so I've not linked it.

I don't recall any presser where ST's father talked about the bank taking care of anything? Happy to be wrong, of course. Do you have a link to the presser where ST's father talks about the bank taking care of things?

Thanks!


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Perhaps some members do not understand the meaning of an encumbrance, or a revs check?

You can get ahead of the game by getting a CarHistory report online, which will reveal to you all sorts of juicy details about a car's past including any financial encumbrance.

The Personal Property Securities Register (PPSR) is the result of a government initiative to create a national online database where consumers can query whether a car is tied up in any interest or encumbrance.

In layman's terms, encumbrance of the financial kind refers to whether there is debt tied up in your car - probably through money that is owned on a loan related to the car.

http://www.carhistory.com.au/resour...at-does-it-mean-if-car-financially-encumbered

A PPSR (formerly REVS) check can tell you if the used car you are thinking of buying has any money owing on it from a previous owner.
http://www.revscheck.com.au/

IMO JMO MOO

 

[MsAnais]

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BBM
I think many of us listened to the police presser properly. And as I had a day off yesterday, I thought I would transcribe the portion about Sam&#8217;s car, as spoken by Sam&#8217;s dad. I don&#8217;t believe he said anything about the bank taking care of anything. Just that he &#8216;supposes&#8217; a bank may have helped. Unless you have some other link/transcription?

Thanks.


Reporter: A lot of focus of the investigation that we have been involved with has been surrounding his car. Can you tell us a little bit about his relationship with that car, what it did mean to him, as well?

Bruce: I remember about 12-18 months ago, Sam said .. you know .. when he first heard the Mustang was coming out to Australia, he said he wanted one. But then Sam wanted a lot of things .. you know .. like most kids do. And to be perfectly honest, when he said he was gonna buy one, I went yeah, yep, yep, Sam, okay.
Told us he put an order in for one. I took that with a grain of salt, to be perfectly honest. And it wasn&#8217;t until <wife whispers something> yeah, it was 12 months previous, he had to wait 12 months.
And it really was a case of I&#8217;ll believe it when it happens. It was just one of those wish lists, like he wanted to go back to Europe, he wanted to do a lot of things. He was ambitious.
I really can&#8217;t tell you much more than that. Except for the fact that he did get the car.

Reporter: He must have saved incredibly hard for it, too, then.

Bruce: I suppose he must have done. yeah. <wife whispers something to Bruce> With the help of the bank, s&#8217;pose. As I say, he did things his way.

https://www.northernstar.com.au/news/video-homicide-detectives-still-on-the-hunt-for-th/3157682/


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Thank you for that transcription SouthAussie.

Super helpful :seeya:

 

[Marples]

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BBM
I think many of us listened to the police presser properly. And as I had a day off yesterday, I thought I would transcribe the portion about Sam’s car, as spoken by Sam’s dad. I don’t believe he said anything about the bank taking care of anything. Just that he ‘supposes’ a bank may have helped. Unless you have some other link/transcription?

Thanks.


Reporter: A lot of focus of the investigation that we have been involved with has been surrounding his car. Can you tell us a little bit about his relationship with that car, what it did mean to him, as well?

Bruce: I remember about 12-18 months ago, Sam said .. you know .. when he first heard the Mustang was coming out to Australia, he said he wanted one. But then Sam wanted a lot of things .. you know .. like most kids do. And to be perfectly honest, when he said he was gonna buy one, I went yeah, yep, yep, Sam, okay.
Told us he put an order in for one. I took that with a grain of salt, to be perfectly honest. And it wasn’t until <wife whispers something> yeah, it was 12 months previous, he had to wait 12 months.
And it really was a case of I’ll believe it when it happens. It was just one of those wish lists, like he wanted to go back to Europe, he wanted to do a lot of things. He was ambitious.
I really can’t tell you much more than that. Except for the fact that he did get the car.

Reporter: He must have saved incredibly hard for it, too, then.

Bruce: I suppose he must have done. yeah. <wife whispers something to Bruce> With the help of the bank, s’pose. As I say, he did things his way.

https://www.northernstar.com.au/news/video-homicide-detectives-still-on-the-hunt-for-th/3157682/


IMO JMO MOO

South Aussie - I am pleased by your return, exalted one [emoji4]. Thanks for the transcript, awesome, as always.


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[Marples]

Perhaps some members do not understand the meaning of an encumbrance, or a revs check?







IMO JMO MOO

Perhaps [emoji848]


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[slinkyminx73]

Perhaps [emoji848]


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I think there are a lot of resources that are not utilised by all, only for the reason that if you don't look you don't find. And it's knowing what records are public record/free or paid services.

A simple google search offers so many opportunities to find additional information - some of which you may find won't be released by LE direct to the public but is actually public domain knowledge.

You just need to know what to look for [emoji6]
For example the coroner records.
I think they can be withheld - but would have to register that the autopsy was actually held. So you can get some info but not all as the trial is still to come and the jury pool could be contaminated by detail. But knowing the autopsy took place is public knowledge [emoji4]

Just one example I've found in my searching IMO MOO JMO


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