Found Deceased Australia - Stephanie Scott, 26, Leeton, NSW, 5 April 2015 - #2 *Arrests*

[Estelle]

I think he just burned her to cover evidence, personally. Saliva, semen, the usual stuff, or perhaps something worse. Lots of rapists/killers burn the bodies after to hide evidence/victim identity -- sorry to be so blunt, but they do.

The last case I recall it happening, the man snatched the girl in broad daylight too, high risk crime, perhaps he was worried after the thrill wore off that he'd been seen, and would be caught as a result so burned the evidence. In this case, he's disposed of other evidence as well, so we know that was a concern for him.

Very few take a picture of the result, though. I'm having a hard time working out why he'd do that, unless the burning was part of what turned him on. Or he wanted to prove to someone she was dead. Very strange.

Well this husband killed his wife and even put the photo of her body on Facebook!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...support-self-defense-claim.html#ixzz3aByOH6bz

 

[Estelle]

Estelle #496:

2. To keep it simple, I think the main crime scene was the school. Somehow he got her into the back of his car whether injured or dead and then drove to the National Park where he killed her if she was not already dead and then lit the fire as a ritual that he might have seen on the internet or in a computer game.

Well, but he had to abandone her red car and to dump her laptop after that (two more crime scenes).

What is a crime scene?

"Simply put a crime scene is a location at which a crime has taken place and a location that may yield physical clues as to the nature of the crime and the person or persons responsible for it."

http://www.exploreforensics.co.uk/establishing-a-crime-scene.html

I do not see his abandoning her car or dumping her laptop as actual crime scenes unless she was murdered or injured in her car. They are part of evidence but not crime scenes IMO.

IMO there are three possible crime scenes - the school, his car and the National Park with a less likely one at his house.

At the time, I do not think that police wanted the public to know much about what might have gone on at the school because of upsetting the students.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

What is a crime scene?

"Simply put a crime scene is a location at which a crime has taken place and a location that may yield physical clues as to the nature of the crime and the person or persons responsible for it."

http://www.exploreforensics.co.uk/establishing-a-crime-scene.html

I do not see his abandoning her car or dumping her laptop as actual crime scenes unless she was murdered or injured in her car. They are part of evidence but not crime scenes IMO.

IMO there are three possible crime scenes - the school, his car and the National Park with a less likely one at his house.

At the time, I do not think that police wanted the public to know much about what might have gone on at the school because of upsetting the students.

You are certainly right with not counting the extra "crime scenes", although someone on this thread had done it before (don't want to search). I vaguely remember. :thinking:

I was only trying to say that VS had done a lot of places/different places and that I doubt, he is capable of doing this as planned without help.

 

[Estelle]

You are certainly right with not counting the extra "crime scenes", although someone on this thread had done it before (don't want to search). I vaguely remember. :thinking:

I was only trying to say that VS had done a lot of places/different places and that I doubt, he is capable of doing this as planned without help.

One idea is that he could have Asperger's Syndrome which is on the autism spectrum. They can be highly intelligent, sometimes cunning and secretive.

"Young adults with autism are less likely to find work or live on their own than their peers with other kinds of disabilities, two new studies show. The first study focused on employment. Researchers found that only about half of those with autism had ever held a job since high school, and only about a third were currently working.

"Even though kids with autism can be intelligent and sometimes function very well, they can have trouble navigating social situations that require tact and deference, Hilfer said.

"They have more difficulty relating to the people around them," he said. "They have trouble reading cues and, as a result of all that, staying in a job or having jobs offered to them that are commensurate with their skill set is sometimes a little tricky."

Hilfer said kids with autism require intensive tutoring, coaching and mentoring to help them find and keep jobs."

http://consumer.healthday.com/cogni...gf9Xl3p06GViX4hwsZoe39w&bvm=bv.93564037,d.dGY

 

[Estelle]

I have often wondered:

1. How did he get a driver's licence if he was really autistic?

http://www.autismspectrum.org.au/blog/driving-aspie

2. Who owned the car? How could he afford the money for it?

3. Where were his mother and Luke that Sunday?

4. Why didn't they use the car?

5. Is it really his brother's or mother's car?

6. How does he get from one job to another?

7. Did LS help him and then go away with the mother?

8. Does he work with Luke?

9. Is he still using his Dutch driver's licence? Is he actually licensed?

10. Did he ask to borrow the car in order to remove the debris from the back yard to the National Park?

11. It was raining I believe on the Saturday so he could not go to the National Park then to burn off so went on Sunday and just happened to pass the school on his way and noticed SS' car there and/or the school gates open.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

One idea is that he could have Asperger's Syndrome which is on the autism spectrum. They can be highly intelligent, sometimes cunning and secretive.

"Young adults with autism are less likely to find work or live on their own than their peers with other kinds of disabilities, two new studies show. The first study focused on employment. Researchers found that only about half of those with autism had ever held a job since high school, and only about a third were currently working.

"Even though kids with autism can be intelligent and sometimes function very well, they can have trouble navigating social situations that require tact and deference, Hilfer said.

"They have more difficulty relating to the people around them," he said. "They have trouble reading cues and, as a result of all that, staying in a job or having jobs offered to them that are commensurate with their skill set is sometimes a little tricky."

Hilfer said kids with autism require intensive tutoring, coaching and mentoring to help them find and keep jobs."

http://consumer.healthday.com/cogni...gf9Xl3p06GViX4hwsZoe39w&bvm=bv.93564037,d.dGY

I know that "Aspis"/autists often are highly intelligent and sometimes geniuses for specific areas of knowledge. But they also very easily mess things up, if their routine is interrupted.
I have a friend who is very familar with this form of illness and I have heard a lot. Sad but very interesting.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

I have often wondered:

1. How did he get a driver's licence if he was really autistic?

http://www.autismspectrum.org.au/blog/driving-aspie

2. Who owned the car? How could he afford the money for it?

3. Where were his mother and Luke that Sunday?

4. Why didn't they use the car?

5. Is it really his brother's or mother's car?

6. How does he get from one job to another?

7. Did LS help him and then go away with the mother?

8. Does he work with Luke?

9. Is he still using his Dutch driver's licence? Is he actually licensed?

10. Did he ask to borrow the car in order to remove the debris from the back yard to the National Park?

11. It was raining I believe on the Saturday so he could not go to the National Park then to burn off so went on Sunday and just happened to pass the school on his way and noticed SS' car there and/or the school gates open.

bbm

I do know, it is possible to be an Aspi and nevertheless to get a driver license. You (as an Aspi) must always be encouraged to go to driving school and even go on, but you can do it, even at the early age of 18.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

I have heard from my friend that an Aspi (not autist) for the first time had cleaned up voluntarily and independently in his room and even had something changed at the age of 18. It was THE sensation for his parents!!! A hugh unexpected progress!! (Same boy with driver license.)

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Many studies analyze whether a set of twins both have an autism diagnosis or not. Dr. Frazier's team did too. If one identical twin has autism spectrum disorder (ASD), the other twin has a 76 percent chance of also being diagnosed with it. The numbers are lower for fraternal twins.

Dr. Frazier's team, however, came to a different conclusion. "Without making assumptions, we found evidence that autism represents a set of behaviors outside the norm that are strongly genetically determined, with the genetic component likely being major gene effects, which could involve different genes across people," he said.
Using a mathematical analysis of data, his team found that identical twins were much more likely to have similar levels of autistic symptoms than fraternal twins. Those researchers also concluded that:
High levels of autism symptoms are genetic in origin. Less severe symptoms are not as likely to be inherited.
A shared environment played no "significant" role in the development of extreme autism symptoms in twins.
Problems in two separate areas – social communication skills and repetitive behaviors – are driven by the same gene or genes.

http://iancommunity.org/autism-twins-study

 

[Estelle]

Many studies analyze whether a set of twins both have an autism diagnosis or not. Dr. Frazier's team did too. If one identical twin has autism spectrum disorder (ASD), the other twin has a 76 percent chance of also being diagnosed with it. The numbers are lower for fraternal twins.

Dr. Frazier's team, however, came to a different conclusion. "Without making assumptions, we found evidence that autism represents a set of behaviors outside the norm that are strongly genetically determined, with the genetic component likely being major gene effects, which could involve different genes across people," he said.
Using a mathematical analysis of data, his team found that identical twins were much more likely to have similar levels of autistic symptoms than fraternal twins. Those researchers also concluded that:
High levels of autism symptoms are genetic in origin. Less severe symptoms are not as likely to be inherited.
A shared environment played no "significant" role in the development of extreme autism symptoms in twins.
Problems in two separate areas – social communication skills and repetitive behaviors – are driven by the same gene or genes.

http://iancommunity.org/autism-twins-study

From the little we know of his twin brother, it seems that they could be non-identical twins.

There are so many variations on the autistic spectrum. I have dated two men who I think have undiagnosed very high functioning Asperger's Syndrome. I loved their brains, both were excellent drivers but they often made social gaffes and could not read social cues or body language. They were very focused men and I was often fascinated with the way their brains worked! Both were very delayed in their sexual development and were more at the teenage level being naive and ignorant even as older men which was appealing at first but not for me in the long run. I did not want to give lessons. LOL Their brains and interests were more important to them and they did not really understand women's needs. It was more about their own needs. Some do not like touch either. But I did find them mentally stimulating and they were great travel companions. However, some of the things they did or said especially socially were embarrassing. They were sometimes too honest.

 

[Estelle]

I have heard from my friend that an Aspi (not autist) for the first time had cleaned up voluntarily and independently in his room and even had something changed at the age of 18. It was THE sensation for his parents!!! A hugh unexpected progress!! (Same boy with driver license.)

BBM

I do not understand what you mean about "even had something changed"

 

[zwiebel]

Had even changed something (in his room), maybe?

 

[Deleted member 102539]

BBM

I do not understand what you mean about "even had something changed"

"Rearranged" I ment, sorry.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

From the little we know of his twin brother, it seems that they could be non-identical twins.

There are so many variations on the autistic spectrum. I have dated two men who I think have undiagnosed very high functioning Asperger's Syndrome. I loved their brains, both were excellent drivers but they often made social gaffes and could not read social cues or body language. They were very focused men and I was often fascinated with the way their brains worked! Both were very delayed in their sexual development and were more at the teenage level being naive and ignorant even as older men which was appealing at first but not for me in the long run. I did not want to give lessons. LOL Their brains and interests were more important to them and they did not really understand women's needs. It was more about their own needs. Some do not like touch either. But I did find them mentally stimulating and they were great travel companions. However, some of the things they did or said especially socially were embarrassing. They were sometimes too honest.

MSM says everywhere: identical twin. :dunno:

Mr Scanlan, the retired pensioner living next door to Stanford, confirmed photographs of Stanford's twin that had circulated in the media were correct.
'That's definitely him. They really look identical. Vincent is a little broader and fatter in the face but you can't mistake who it is,' he told Daily Mail Australia.
'They look exactly the same in the face - the image of each other. He also has the same receding hairline. Looking at him is like looking at Vincent.'


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-army-psychological-issues.html#ixzz3aKjvQ8dN
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[fruity]

The thing about autism is that it really is a huge spectrum. You can find five people with autism who have absolutely nothing in common! That's why I find it hard to blame this on him having a diagnosis of Asperrger Syndrome.

Stephanie sometimes pops up in my 'people you might know' thing on Facebook - it is always a sad shock

 

[Estelle]

MSM says everywhere: identical twin. :dunno:

Mr Scanlan, the retired pensioner living next door to Stanford, confirmed photographs of Stanford's twin that had circulated in the media were correct.
'That's definitely him. They really look identical. Vincent is a little broader and fatter in the face but you can't mistake who it is,' he told Daily Mail Australia.
'They look exactly the same in the face - the image of each other. He also has the same receding hairline. Looking at him is like looking at Vincent.'


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-army-psychological-issues.html#ixzz3aKjvQ8dN
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I was expecting that Vincent would be a lot bigger than what his brother looks like.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Because of naming VS a "Neanderthals" or "King Kong" I would have thought, he has to be much more stately than one could see on MS' pic. If identical, I would have thought of 2 King Kongs or zero King Kong. :dunno: Somehow mysterious.

On the other hand, VS had done heavy physical work for a long while (on ship!!!, in container construction) whereas MS had not.
Perhaps VS had a more powerful physique than his identical twin brother.
During the arrest Vincent was covered with a dark cloth. Below the cloth his body seemed relatively tall and broad.

 

[Estelle]

Because of naming VS a "Neanderthals" or "King Kong" I would have thought, he has to be much more stately than one could see on MS' pic. If identical, I would have thought of 2 King Kongs or zero King Kong. :dunno: Somehow mysterious.

Even that earlier picture of VS makes him look like a big guy who could now be obese. Maybe he has lost weight since. That's the main reason I thought they would be non-identical twins. But also the fact that MS seems more "functional" from the little we know about him.

I just found a possible answer to what we have been discussing here.

Inherited genes (DNA) and environmental factors seem to interact to influence whether an infant goes on to develop autism. So if the twins are fraternal (meaning they share about half their DNA), the difference in their genetic makeup might explain why only one developed autism.

But what if the boys are identical twins–meaning they share exactly the same DNA? In this case, something beyond genes likely accounts for the different outcomes. Comparing the rates of autism among identical and fraternal twins provides clues.

In July, researchers used our Autism Genetic Resource Exchange (AGRE) to complete the largest autism twin study to date. They found a 70 percent overlap in autism among identical twins and a 35 percent overlap among fraternal twins. That overlap between fraternal twins is much higher than the estimated 19 percent overlap between different-age siblings.

These numbers tell us that it’s not always genes alone that determine whether a child develops autism. If it were, two identical twins would always share the same outcome, and the rate of a shared autism among fraternal twins would look more like that for different-age siblings. So we conclude that shared environmental influences are also at play.

Although twins share very similar pregnancy and birth environments, those environments aren’t exactly the same. For example, twins can have different positions in the womb or different placentas, and this can affect such environmental influences as blood and oxygen flow. Indeed, twins often have different birth weights, a known risk factor for autism.

It’s important to remember that “environmental” influences such as these don’t cause autism by themselves. Rather, if a child has a genetic predisposition for developing autism, these influences may further increase the risk.

https://www.autismspeaks.org/node/110641

 

[Walk A Mile]

MSM says everywhere: identical twin. :dunno:

Mr Scanlan, the retired pensioner living next door to Stanford, confirmed photographs of Stanford's twin that had circulated in the media were correct.
'That's definitely him. They really look identical. Vincent is a little broader and fatter in the face but you can't mistake who it is,' he told Daily Mail Australia.
'They look exactly the same in the face - the image of each other. He also has the same receding hairline. Looking at him is like looking at Vincent.'

It's worth keeping in mind that fraternal twins can share a strong familial resemblance. The Olson twins (Mary Kate and Ashley) got their showbiz start sharing the same role, yet they are fraternal, not identical, twins.

 

[Eloise]

Just like siblings close enough in age are the same. Fraternal twins are just siblings who happened to share a uterus at the same time - but that doesn't mean siblings can't look nearly identical without being "identical". My kids' cousins used to get mistaken for ID twins all the time when out with their mother shopping or whatever (they're only 16 months apart in age and the younger was always a bit advanced for his age in size so they evened out).

Mind you my daughter went to school with actual ID twins for a while and they were so alike their own mother often had to double check which was which.