Australia Australia - Tegan Lane, 2 days old, Sydney, 14 Sept 1996 *K. Lane guilty*

[imstilla.grandma]

The Bridge of Hope Innocence Initiative has been investigating Keli’s claim that she is innocent and we believe that this is a significant case of miscarriage of justice.

The prosecution had provided no evidence of death, no evidence of murder, no forensic evidence that a baby had been harmed at all, no meaningful evidence of motive, and no confession.

In our opinion, Keli’s investigation, prosecution, and conviction represent a gross miscarriage of justice.

We urge you to sign this petition for a full inquiry.

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Call for an inquiry into the investigation, prosecution, and conviction of Keli Lane

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Why police and prosecutors don’t always disclose evidence in criminal trials

 

[Bohemian]

The Bridge of Hope Innocence Initiative has been investigating Keli’s claim that she is innocent and we believe that this is a significant case of miscarriage of justice.

The prosecution had provided no evidence of death, no evidence of murder, no forensic evidence that a baby had been harmed at all, no meaningful evidence of motive, and no confession.

In our opinion, Keli’s investigation, prosecution, and conviction represent a gross miscarriage of justice.

We urge you to sign this petition for a full inquiry.

Source: https://www.change.org/p/bridge-of-hope-in...

Call for an inquiry into the investigation, prosecution, and conviction of Keli Lane

I wondered when this was coming.

 

[Bohemian]

The secret reecording with Keli and her Mum.
Commencing about 7:58
at 10:54 Mum - "You could have put the child up for adoption, and I don't know if you should mention that other thing, either. I think we can only cope with only one thing a time. Well nothing has cropped up about that has it? Where did that happen and when?"

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What was that other thing?

Yes, what was it?

 

[The Observer]

A great deal about Keli perplexes me. Such as, was she trying to avoid the trauma of previous experiences when she made the decisions she did? Was she simply clueless or pathologically denying her pregnancies until she got some sort of ‘reality slap’? Or is she just a stone-cold murderer/abandoning mother? I don’t know. Dr Michael Diamond’s opinion is telling, albeit unusually sought according to Justice Whealy:

R v Keli LANE [2011] NSWSC 289 (15 April 2011)
(paras 21-29)

I found Dr Diamond's opinion very interesting too.

I understand the young and the making of mistakes it's how we live and learn. Except she didn't seem too or perhaps incapable of learning from it. I think it was the second termination that was at the latter stages of the first trimester and she was sick and didn't cope well. For some that would be enough to be pro-active and viligant with contraception etc. She seemed to cope by burying it, drinking heavily and "getting on with it".

I do feel she buried her head in the sand and was in denial. Though in saying that she did some planning for adoption 1. She knew which agency she was planning to call and such. This is yet another thing that adds to the confusion regarding her thought process.

One of her comments to Caro was interesting; "I was kicking myself too, why am I here again?" Something in her voice is almost like she couldn't fathom how it happened again or wasn't able to accept responsibility for what was happening 'to her'. Sat strange with me.

What sticks out for me regarding Tegan and the 'Andrew' story is the fact that baby 1 'TR' was legally adopted out. Paternity proved. Baby safe and well. Baby 3 'AJ' was legally adopted out. Paternity proved. Both fathers found and tested. Neither man was listed as the biological father by Keli, yet located all the same.

Yet the one baby (Tegan) who was not legally adopted out and the man named as the biological father have both never been found.

*snipped and respectfully bbm

That sounds different from what I read elsewhere, at ExposedABC, that implies she had a bond with the first baby and therefore she had several visits.

Yeah it's confusing because some articles written at the time of the inquest and those written at the time of the trial differ. I would love to have the time to compare testimony between those given at the inquest and those at the trial. Documents say she wanted a closed adoption yet others having her wanting the exchanging of cards and photos.

 

[The Observer]

The secret reecording with Keli and her Mum.
Commencing about 7:58
at 10:54 Mum - "You could have put the child up for adoption, and I don't know if you should mention that other thing, either. I think we can only cope with only one thing a time. Well nothing has cropped up about that has it? Where did that happen and when?"

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What was that other thing?

It honestly could be anything. The 'affair', Baby 1, termination, the date rape or something we know nothing about.. Love to know though.

Anyone else watch the 60mins interview with Sandra and Robert and compare it with Exposed interviews?

On Exposed Sandra & Robert said Keli told them about Tegan before the police did. Yet in the 60mins interview they're asked "What did Keli tell you about Tegan?" Robert says "Well she didn't tell us, the police told us." I know it seems small but stuck out to me considering Keli's phone tap recordings. Did a police friend of Robert's get to him before Keli had the chance to tell him?

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[k-mac]

keli is disturbed and I am suprised she isn't being labelled with some type of mental illness.
the comfortability lying,her promiscuity, repeatedly getting herself in over her head, cold and aloof problem solving antics with escalating cruelty.
the seeking an abortion at 25 weeks is unfathomable to most of us. a baby can survive out of the womb at this point.
then she does a 180 and has a child for keeps.
giving birth is an extremely painful experience and the damage to a womans body 'at best' is still compromising and most mothers have significant post baby issues, its just part of the deal.
every time you do it,it is harder to bounce back.

why would a sporty person subject themselves to all of this over and over again???

surely there is more in her head than a cold hearted, self centred cruel disconnected baby destroyer??

I personally believe she threw Tegan in an industrial bin on a building site and just walked away.
sat arvo 1996 likely not a soul around to find or hear her little cries.

if she was made have a full hysterectomy she likely wouldn't be a threat to society.

jmo

 

[The Observer]

..the seeking an abortion at 25 weeks is unfathomable to most of us. a baby can survive out of the womb at this point.
then she does a 180 and has a child for keeps.

Snipped by me.

The late term abortion, which she lied about how far along she was, that was refused is definitely a desperate measure. I mean she had been pregnant 4 times before surely she knew she was pregnant prior to second trimester.

Regarding the 180 and keeping a child, I dare say it's because John Borovnik had already reported Tegan as a missing person in October 2000. She was first interviewed by Detective Kehoe February 2001. So she was already on the police radar before that child was conceived/born.

 

[k-mac]

Snipped by me.

The late term abortion, which she lied about how far along she was, that was refused is definitely a desperate measure. I mean she had been pregnant 4 times before surely she knew she was pregnant prior to second trimester.

Regarding the 180 and keeping a child, I dare say it's because John Borovnik had already reported Tegan as a missing person in October 2000. She was first interviewed by Detective Kehoe February 2001. So she was already on the police radar before that child was conceived/born.

yes
which does show a level of cunning a mental illness doesn't present.

 

[The Observer]

Yeah there is definitely a personality or psychological factors/disorder coming into play.

A main thing for me is why was she seemingly running out of time and pushing to be induced!? Was it an illegal adoption factor? Small window to hand baby over, etc. Her new teaching job? The Wedding? If she was worried about going into labour at the wedding then why not just make an excuse not to go? It wasn't her circle of friends and the bride testified that she was only invited because she was Duncan's girlfriend. They were his friends. Was she really that shallow and desperate not to miss a social event?

Some people I've read are taking the nurses notes re : "anxious to go home" comments as she was nervous to leave with the baby. I took it more as in anxious to leave and get the hell out of there.

 

[Via Marple]

Snipped by me.

The late term abortion, which she lied about how far along she was, that was refused is definitely a desperate measure. I mean she had been pregnant 4 times before surely she knew she was pregnant prior to second trimester.

Regarding the 180 and keeping a child, I dare say it's because John Borovnik had already reported Tegan as a missing person in October 2000. She was first interviewed by Detective Kehoe February 2001. So she was already on the police radar before that child was conceived/born.

You know what, you can almost call that as "constantly changing her MO". But the end was still the same: self preservation.

I am not anti abortion personally, but to those who are, KL would be considered a serial killer. Whether inside the womb, or outside.

Right now there is no name for her mentality, so she is not diagnosed as having a mental problem. Maybe one day.

BTW k-mac... No need to punish her with hysterectomy... The worst we can hand out in this country is life imprisonment.....

 

[Bohemian]

Just a thought, but what do OPs think of the idea that Keli may have accidentally killed Tegan after leaving the hospital? For example, by doing something irresponsible such as secreting Tegan in her hospital bag or by accidentally holding her too tight to, say, stop her being discovered in the taxi and inadvertently smothering her? This could allow Keli to think of herself as innocent of Tegan’s murder.

Also, I wonder if someone assisted Keli by either concealing, or helping to conceal, Tegan’s remains?

 

[Via Marple]

So abortion was illegal in QLD before this?

What clinic did TL go to then, in 1999?

NEWS.com.au: Abortion decriminalised in QLD. https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/abortion-decriminalised-in-qld/news-story/e02c7f50f9b45031e6caa9e55dd76eac

 

[sunnybree]

So abortion was illegal in QLD before this?

What clinic did TL go to then, in 1999?

NEWS.com.au: Abortion decriminalised in QLD. https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/abortion-decriminalised-in-qld/news-story/e02c7f50f9b45031e6caa9e55dd76eac

Some articles from prior to the change explaining it.

Abortion in Australia: what are the laws in each state?
Extract:
However, the courts in NSW and Queensland have interpreted some ambiguity in the statute to broaden “lawful” abortion to include cases where a doctor agrees continuing the pregnancy would result in serious harm to the woman’s mental or physical health.

In practice, this means that in NSW and Queensland, abortions are available mostly at private clinics, with no referral needed. A small number of GPs provide medical abortion prescriptions.

Is abortion legal in Australia? It's complicated

Scroll down for QLD.

Queensland abortion law - Children by Choice

 

[JLZ]

Yeah there is definitely a personality or psychological factors/disorder coming into play.

A main thing for me is why was she seemingly running out of time and pushing to be induced!? Was it an illegal adoption factor? Small window to hand baby over, etc. Her new teaching job? The Wedding? If she was worried about going into labour at the wedding then why not just make an excuse not to go? It wasn't her circle of friends and the bride testified that she was only invited because she was Duncan's girlfriend. They were his friends. Was she really that shallow and desperate not to miss a social event?

Some people I've read are taking the nurses notes re : "anxious to go home" comments as she was nervous to leave with the baby. I took it more as in anxious to leave and get the hell out of there.

I'm imagining she was having feelings of panic and horror about being pregnant, having this little alien inside her--get it out! get it out!

She seemed really ambivalent about having a child, wanting one enough to get pregnant (six times while on the pill? That's not just an irregular lifestyle, it has to be semi-intentional) but kept balking somewhere along the line. I don't know whether that oscillating acceptance-rejection would just be limited to childbirth, perhaps her personal relationships are like that, one day she can be close and another she's all about defending her separateness and privacy. And she doesn't know how to do that calmly, without violence or lies. Sometimes I think liars are people who never learnt to say, and stick to, "I'm not going to tell you."

Rambling . . . I don't know. Sometimes I think that's all rubbish and she only ever made short-term plans, and coped with the fallout at anyone's expense. Went from crisis to crisis, the good thing about being in a crisis is no-one can expect you to act responsibly then.

 

[Spooky7]

I'm sure it's been posted previously but just in case it hasn't, there's a lot of information here - R v Keli LANE [2011] NSWSC 289 (15 April 2011)
R v LANE 2013 https://www.legal-tools.org/doc/df34ca/pdf/

This was a very interesting read. After reading it I felt more sure of her guilt. The clincher was the fact that she had made up a name for the baby’s father for baby 1 after it was found that Gillies wasn’t the father as she hand previously claimed. I think she just did the same thing with Tegan and Andrew Morris/Norris. At some point she realised that this could never really be disproven completely so she just stuck with it.

 

[Via Marple]

Just a thought, but what do OPs think of the idea that Keli may have accidentally killed Tegan after leaving the hospital? For example, by doing something irresponsible such as secreting Tegan in her hospital bag or by accidentally holding her too tight to, say, stop her being discovered in the taxi and inadvertently smothering her? This could allow Keli to think of herself as innocent of Tegan’s murder.

Also, I wonder if someone assisted Keli by either concealing, or helping to conceal, Tegan’s remains?

I actually think the mental taxi driver's story was quite believable, sounded quite like what Keli would do, except for the ending about finding a woman with baby.

Who knows what mental illness he had, he might have hallucinations but mixed them together with bits of reality....

 

[Via Marple]

What sticks out for me regarding Tegan and the 'Andrew' story is the fact that baby 1 'TR' was legally adopted out. Paternity proved. Baby safe and well. Baby 3 'AJ' was legally adopted out. Paternity proved. Both fathers found and tested. Neither man was listed as the biological father by Keli, yet located all the same.

Yet the one baby (Tegan) who was not legally adopted out and the man named as the biological father have both never been found.

*snipped by me
Yes that seems like amazing detective work to locate the two biological fathers. Of course there were the two adopted children as starting points for investigation. And Keli might have given police, a list of 'suspects' (potential fathers)?

I found a post at ExposedABC which was pretty spot on.. (And off track, as usual) - there are many missing persons here, not just Tegan. Andrew, Mel, Andrew's mum, Andrew's friends when he first met Keli, taxi driver... And I would add, Andrew's neighbours since no one at the Balmain apartment block remembers him. Could they all be dead? Overseas?

 

[sunnybree]

*snipped by me
Yes that seems like amazing detective work to locate the two biological fathers. Of course there were the two adopted children as starting points for investigation. And Keli might have given police, a list of 'suspects' (potential fathers)?

I think it may have been quite easy - the father of baby #1 was the man she was dating immediately prior to Duncan Gilles. The father of baby #3 was another man she dated for a few months. The relationships were public and known to her friends and family. This information is in Nice Girl (book). Neither of the relationships were “affairs” or one night stands. These men were her boyfriends at the time she conceived. To be honest, I think Gilles is most likely Tegan’s father, although I expect that will never be proven. I doubt any evidence of Tegan alive or dead will ever be found. Having said all that, the police clearly took their names and found them and the adopted children as well. Andrew Norris/Morris has perhaps some secret power of invisibility.