Australia Australia - Theo Hayez, 18, Belgian backpacker, Byron Bay, June 2019 #2

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Ah right thought you were talking about the photo posted prior. Not sure on this one
Looks like stinging nettle
No idea whether that's Lantana. I was thinking of brambles. When 'prickly and entangled vines' are mentioned, I think of impenetrable brambles:
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Media have shown kind of curved trees surrounded by clearing.
That is lantana. Lantana is covered in prickles and thorns along the vine making it very difficult to penetrate.
 
Listened to episode 4 and I dunno what to think. Seems like those in the podcast are leaning towards a theory though. Thoughts?
 
Listened to episode 4 and I dunno what to think. Seems like those in the podcast are leaning towards a theory though. Thoughts?

My thought is that they are leaning heavily toward the involvement of drugs - other drug takers with Theo unknowingly or being forced to ingest something - and/or fright playing a huge part in Theo's disappearance. While Theo being astute enough to always keep an eye on where he was in relation to the location of his hostel.
 
I think they are doing fabulous work, but I am not sure how they can be so precise about where Theo went.
Is it due to GPS coordinates that were sent every 15 or so secs? Or are they making the best estimates they can?
What kind of deviation is in usual GPS coordinates?

It can't be from Google Maps if a google vehicle has never mapped these paths and tracks.
I think it may have come from rhe overlay map by the Belgium girl on the podcast 4?
She is a cartographer..
 
I think it may have come from rhe overlay map by the Belgium girl on the podcast 4?
She is a cartographer..

Yes, I was wondering how she could be so precise. And how far the GPS locations might be off. Not for any reason other than I was curious. :)
 
Hi, apologies if this posting is not done in the correct way. I've never posted here before and this sort of thing is new to me but I saw an image on instagram which has been bothering me so I wanted to mention it here in case any more experienced posters want to look into it.
Reading the press, I know there was some investigation by Theo's family members into instagram images of Tallow Beach so I expect this point I'm about to make has been noted anyway. However, in case not, please could someone check an instagram account. There is a photo of the backs of three backpackers on the account named kotoe0921. One of these individuals looks to me to be similar to Theo in terms of stature, hat, and chunky watch. The image is behind the image of Brisbane (I think) at night, this being the last but one posting on this account.
Hope I haven't broken any forum rules.
This has been discussed previously in this thread. And I'm thinking that we are not allowed to post references of people's social media.
In all due respect to you and your concerns for Theo ....it is best to check if you can post something before you post it. I'm sure you mean well...but there are rules.

In the best interest of this thread for Theo and not to have it shut down...be best to check the rules.
 
Ahhh, true that. They can be off...so maybe cannot be totally accurate?

Buster answered my question earlier, saying that they could be off by plus or minus 3 metres.
I guess I wonder if Theo walked the beach or walked the parallel track just up from the beach.
If the GPS could be that much off, I think either scenario is possible.

At the end of the podcast it sounds as if they were speculating that Theo could have been with that younger homeless guy who lives in a camp near where Theo stopped for 7 mins.
 
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Hi, apologies if this posting is not done in the correct way. I've never posted here before and this sort of thing is new to me but I saw an image on instagram which has been bothering me so I wanted to mention it here in case any more experienced posters want to look into it.
Reading the press, I know there was some investigation by Theo's family members into instagram images of Tallow Beach so I expect this point I'm about to make has been noted anyway. However, in case not, please could someone check an instagram account. There is a photo of the backs of three backpackers on the account named kotoe0921. One of these individuals looks to me to be similar to Theo in terms of stature, hat, and chunky watch. The image is behind the image of Brisbane (I think) at night, this being the last but one posting on this account.
Hope I haven't broken any forum rules.

Agree - the person on the left does look like Theo from the back
 
Update timeline Theo after leaving CM:
- 23:07 he exited CM
- 23:08 he stops briefly in Kingsley
- 23:08 ->11:13 walks to the end of Tennyson
- 23:13 stops for 7 minutes
- 23:21 left the slab at the end of Tennyson and went to Massinger Street at 6km/hr
- then walked up hill from Massinger Str, to Milne St. at 4,5 km/hr
- 23: 30 reaches Milne Str.
- then enters Milne track and reaches T-junction in 5 minutes at 7,5km/hr
- then walks for 8 minutes at a little more than 4 km/hr
- stears around Tommy's invisible camp site
- location where Theo's cap was found = between Tommy's camp site and the beach*
- 23:48 reaches the beach through a tiny path at a gully with an abandoned camp site
- Theo looks up WU again and walks for 8 minutes to CC at 6km/hr
- 23:56 (+/-) walks up hill and stops for 5,5 minutes in a hidden clearing at about 20m from the sand
- 00:03 Theo / Theo's phone goes back to the beach in less than 2 minutes

- 00:05 GPS tracing stops
- but the phone continued sending signals till the afternoon of June 1st
- 00:20 sends Messenger message to friend Lou in French about U2 Tour
- 00:23 watches YouTube for 1 minute and 50 seconds
- 00:55 sends WA message
- 00:56 sends WA message
- +/- 02:00 - +/- 06:00 phone in 'sleep' mode
- +/- 04:00 moon rises and there is moonlight
- +/- 06:00 phone exits 'sleep' mode (what triggered this?)
- +/- 13:00 of June 1st, last ping, originating from Cape Byron, not from CC

Sources: Podcasts. In red: updates from Podcast#4.
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In Podcast#4 it was said: 'Only the family and police would have been able to plant the cap'.
I'd like to ad: only family and police, and ..... Theo's companion if he had one.
 
Update timeline Theo after leaving CM:
- 23:07 he exited CM
- 23:08 he stops briefly in Kingsley
- 23:08 ->11:13 walks to the end of Tennyson
- 23:13 stops for 7 minutes
- 23:21 left the slab at the end of Tennyson and went to Massinger Street at 6km/hr
- then walked up hill from Massinger Str, to Milne St. at 4,5 km/hr
- 23: 30 reaches Milne Str.
- then enters Milne track and reaches T-junction in 5 minutes at 7,5km/hr
- then walks for 8 minutes at a little more than 4 km/hr
- stears around Tommy's invisible camp site
- location where Theo's cap was found = between Tommy's camp site and the beach*
- 23:48 reaches the beach through a tiny path at a gully with an abandoned camp site
- Theo looks up WU again and walks for 8 minutes to CC at 6km/hr
- 23:56 (+/-) walks up hill and stops for 5,5 minutes in a hidden clearing at about 20m from the sand
- 00:03 Theo / Theo's phone goes back to the beach in less than 2 minutes

- 00:05 GPS tracing stops
- but the phone continued sending signals till the afternoon of June 1st
- 00:20 sends Messenger message to friend Lou in French about U2 Tour
- 00:23 watches YouTube for 1 minute and 50 seconds
- 00:55 sends WA message
- 00:56 sends WA message
- +/- 02:00 - +/- 06:00 phone in 'sleep' mode
- +/- 04:00 moon rises and there is moonlight
- +/- 06:00 phone exits 'sleep' mode (what triggered this?)
- +/- 13:00 of June 1st, last ping, originating from Cape Byron, not from CC

Sources: Podcasts. In red: updates from Podcast#4.
*
In Podcast#4 it was said: 'Only the family and police would have been able to plant the cap'.
I'd like to ad: only family and police, and ..... Theo's companion if he had one.

Chiatos, Thank you very much for this update.
 
Borrowed the screenshot of T-dawg420;
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That’s excellent - thankyou.

And he comes out right beside this (now empty) construction. Makes A LOT of sense that the occupant was potentially involved, and lead the journey from the oval to here.
 

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Looks like stinging nettle

That is lantana. Lantana is covered in prickles and thorns along the vine making it very difficult to penetrate.

And gawd knows I have worn Lantana many a time on the farm and it is certainly not my best friend.
 
Hi, apologies if this posting is not done in the correct way. I've never posted here before and this sort of thing is new to me but I saw an image on instagram which has been bothering me so I wanted to mention it here in case any more experienced posters want to look into it.
Reading the press, I know there was some investigation by Theo's family members into instagram images of Tallow Beach so I expect this point I'm about to make has been noted anyway. However, in case not, please could someone check an instagram account. There is a photo of the backs of three backpackers on the account named kotoe0921. One of these individuals looks to me to be similar to Theo in terms of stature, hat, and chunky watch. The image is behind the image of Brisbane (I think) at night, this being the last but one posting on this account.
Hope I haven't broken any forum rules.

Welcome to the thread and discussion Curious :)

The account has been posted on the official-looking for Theo Hayez Facebook page.

You can discuss the images that are publicly posted and discussed on the LFTH facebook page and in MSM however, you are unable to discuss social media accounts or have links to that account or discuss that persons name here due to the WS rules

I believe the image that you are discussing has not been publicly posted or discussed on the LFTH Facebook page or in MSM there for as Jenz mentioned previously we are unable to discuss it here.
 
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NoCookies | The Australian

The Lighthouse podcast: abandoned camp raises questions on vanished backpacker

Theo emerged just before midnight into an area where there is a small worn path to the beach.

The location is beside a well-established illegal campsite next to the sand dunes, where a taut tarp is tied to trees to provide shelter

“I don’t understand how (Theo) would go through all of that and know where to come out on this tiny worn path to the beach if he wasn’t with somebody that knew the area,” said Byron local Sheri D’Rosario.

The location of the campsite has also sparked speculation among Byron searchers that Theo could have been accompanying whoever stayed at the camp.
 

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Welcome to the thread and discussion Curious :)

The account has been posted on the official-looking for Theo Hayez Facebook page.

You can discuss the images that are publicly posted and discussed on the LFTH facebook page and in MSM however, you are unable to discuss social media accounts or have links to that account or discuss that persons name here due to the WS rules

I believe the image that you are discussing has not been publicly posted or discussed on the LFTH Facebook page or in MSM there for as Jenz mentioned previously we are unable to discuss it here.
It has been in mainstream media because I found it in MSM. I think it was daily mail UK? Not sure now. The last podcast mentioned that they talked to the person (girl) who posted the sunrise shot that is also in MSM and were told she was with 2 others but neither was Theo and saw nothing out of the ordinary that morning. They did not mention the persons name as this will be in next podcast but that is the only sunrise shot found so far so clearly it is this one. They talked about contacting this person ASAP prior to podcast (they meaning people from the LFTH group).
 
Update timeline Theo after leaving CM:
- 23:07 he exited CM
- 23:08 he stops briefly in Kingsley
- 23:08 ->11:13 walks to the end of Tennyson
- 23:13 stops for 7 minutes
- 23:21 left the slab at the end of Tennyson and went to Massinger Street at 6km/hr
- then walked up hill from Massinger Str, to Milne St. at 4,5 km/hr
- 23: 30 reaches Milne Str.
- then enters Milne track and reaches T-junction in 5 minutes at 7,5km/hr
- then walks for 8 minutes at a little more than 4 km/hr
- stears around Tommy's invisible camp site
- location where Theo's cap was found = between Tommy's camp site and the beach*
- 23:48 reaches the beach through a tiny path at a gully with an abandoned camp site
- Theo looks up WU again and walks for 8 minutes to CC at 6km/hr
- 23:56 (+/-) walks up hill and stops for 5,5 minutes in a hidden clearing at about 20m from the sand
- 00:03 Theo / Theo's phone goes back to the beach in less than 2 minutes

- 00:05 GPS tracing stops
- but the phone continued sending signals till the afternoon of June 1st
- 00:20 sends Messenger message to friend Lou in French about U2 Tour
- 00:23 watches YouTube for 1 minute and 50 seconds
- 00:55 sends WA message
- 00:56 sends WA message
- +/- 02:00 - +/- 06:00 phone in 'sleep' mode
- +/- 04:00 moon rises and there is moonlight
- +/- 06:00 phone exits 'sleep' mode (what triggered this?)
- +/- 13:00 of June 1st, last ping, originating from Cape Byron, not from CC

Sources: Podcasts. In red: updates from Podcast#4.
*
In Podcast#4 it was said: 'Only the family and police would have been able to plant the cap'.
I'd like to ad: only family and police, and ..... Theo's companion if he had one.
Spot on I wanted to say this too about the hat. We cannot be 100 % sure either about that it was Theo with his phone either, even if all signs point to it. Paranoid people can come up with elaborate plans. If something happened to Theo at Tennyson and someone else had his phone it would be the perfect spot to walk it to, to Cosy Corner to make it look like Theo had an accident there, just a week earlier a boy fell off the cliff there it was all through the news. Googling maps en route knowing someone will look at his mobile data later, so make it appear like Theo is lost. If his phone was open whoever possibly took his phone would see the map. Few brief French replies at Cosy Corner. Yes looks like Theo on the phone, is most likely. But is it impossible somebody else could be with it. No. It is not impossible. Cap magically appears after the same exact place has already been searched. Could it have been missed? Yes. Could it have been planted there later to confirm to anyone questioning Theo's route that Theo did walk this way towards the water, Cosy Corner dangerous cliff. Yes. Because it cannot be ruled out. Stranger things have happened. Killers have used victim's phones to pretend to be them many a time and planted "evidence" to mislead. As much as I don't think this happened, is unlikely I don't think it should be ruled out unless there is solid proof. And yes as you say Theo's companion if he had one also knew the route, so could have put hat there. I find it interesting the hat was found the very next day after the indigenous ceremony on the beach asking for answers. Next day a clue is presented, a big clue. There are sick people out there and if someone did something to Theo they are sick, brain does not work like a normal well adjusted person. We cannot expect them to think like a normal person. They very well could be, highly likely they are, following the pages and going on's. Saw the indigenous ceremony looking for clues, answers was happening, and bingo next day the hat is there in a previously searched area, remember the search team already had the maps so yes would have searched his exact route previously and yet hat is found later on this exact route, exact to 3 meters. Search team again expresses their surprise in the podcast, how could this hat be possibly missed. So if planted maybe whoever ties in could be playing a sick game with everyone, feeling very clever. If phone was used to mislead, then the hat planted then they are doing a good job of it. We know it was Theo on his phone on Kingsley St as there is footage. He looked up Wake Up a minute or so later. Yes looks almost sure it was Theo on his phone all the way to Cosy but not everything is always as it seems. Cannot be 100% sure on this.
 
It has been in mainstream media because I found it in MSM. I think it was daily mail UK? Not sure now. The last podcast mentioned that they talked to the person (girl) who posted the sunrise shot that is also in MSM and were told she was with 2 others but neither was Theo and saw nothing out of the ordinary that morning. They did not mention the persons name as this will be in next podcast but that is the only sunrise shot found so far so clearly it is this one. They talked about contacting this person ASAP prior to podcast (they meaning people from the LFTH group).

Thanks, Certus1 :)

I was referring to a different photo being discussed not the actual beach photo. The beach sunrise photo has been shared and discussed on the LFTH Facebook page.

I was certainly hopeful when this surfaced wondering if they may have seen something that morning. Especially any unearthed sand or evidence of parties, pair of shoes left on the beach etc.
 
Weekend Australian reports that when searches began, the guy at the abandoned campsite was hiding from the searchers and then suddenly abandoned the site. he may be the link which is needed.
 
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