Australia Australia - Theo Hayez, 18, Belgian backpacker, Byron Bay, June 2019 #2

[mussopossum]

So, basically after all I am reading about Theo's possible movements, the beach party, people watching the sunrise that morning ... it is still probable he has ended up in the ocean? By fair means or foul play?

Very sad. His family need some answers.

Good to see you back SA

I don't believe he ended up in the water.

I don't think he went swimming and I don't think he stood on a cliff looking at the view and fell.

IMO the surfers on the beach that morning, the walkers, those who posed for photos most likely would have seen him had he been laying either asleep on the sand or hurt. Likely would have seen clothes shoes any belongings if they were there unattended.

But maybe they did not walk to Cosy.

We still do not know the time that those on the beach that night in the photo so could have been before or during Theo.

If they were on the beach when Theo was I cant imagine that he would not have gone over though to say hello, on holidays, kicked out of CM, group of youngsters drinking by the fire......

 

[SouthAussie]

Good to see you back SA

I don't believe he ended up in the water.

I don't think he went swimming and I don't think he stood on a cliff looking at the view and fell.

IMO the surfers on the beach that morning, the walkers, those who posed for photos most likely would have seen him had he been laying either asleep on the sand or hurt. Likely would have seen clothes shoes any belongings if they were there unattended.

But maybe they did not walk to Cosy.

We still do not know the time that those on the beach that night in the photo so could have been before or during Theo.

If they were on the beach when Theo was I cant imagine that he would not have gone over though to say hello, on holidays, kicked out of CM, group of youngsters drinking by the fire......

Thanks, musso.

I have never been confident that Theo went in the water either ... or, at least, not by his own doing.

One thing that still puzzles me, and I don't know if there has ever been an answer.
The cap. I notice that Theo's family are still quoted as saying that it is his. Was a DNA test ever done ... or maybe that is not known?

 

[mussopossum]

Thanks, musso.

I have never been confident that Theo went in the water either ... or, at least, not by his own doing.

One thing that still puzzles me, and I don't know if there has ever been an answer.
The cap. I notice that Theo's family are still quoted as saying that it is his. Was a DNA test ever done ... or maybe that is not known?

DNA test was done and inconclusive.

The hat had considerable fraying at the front underneath (viser part) in one area, Theos family confirmed that Theos hat had the same wear and in same spot so they were definitely it was his.

 

[SouthAussie]

DNA test was done and inconclusive.

The hat had considerable fraying at the front underneath (viser part) in one area, Theos family confirmed that Theos hat had the same wear and in same spot so they were definitely it was his.

Thanks. I believe it is his. I have always been concerned about the DNA. How the heck was it inconclusive when the head/scalp is one of the best areas for DNA? And hats/caps are a great source of DNA? (Rhetorical questions.)

It bothers me a lot .. the placement of that cap. And the fact that the DNA was damaged/inconclusive/mixed. Did it have a wash in the ocean by someone? And was the cap left - on purpose - far away from wherever Theo is?

I am listening to the podcast now.

 

[mussopossum]

Thanks. I believe it is his. I have always been concerned about the DNA. How the heck was it inconclusive when the head/scalp is one of the best areas for DNA? And hats/caps are a great source of DNA? (Rhetorical questions.)

It bothers me a lot .. the placement of that cap. And the fact that the DNA was damaged/inconclusive/mixed. Did it have a wash in the ocean by someone? And was the cap left - on purpose - far away from wherever Theo is?

This was the official update from the LFTH page.

The hat was found in one of the locations that his GPS location was recorded in the bush.

I originally thought it was planted however after learning if it being located in one of his GPS co-ordinates That changed my line of thought.

https://www.facebook.com/search/top/?q=tallow beach - byron bay&epa=SEARCH_BOX

 

[SouthAussie]

This was the official update from the LFTH page.

The hat was found in one of the locations that his GPS location was recorded in the bush.

I originally thought it was planted however after learning if it being located in one of his GPS co-ordinates That changed my line of thought.

https://www.facebook.com/search/top/?q=tallow beach - byron bay&epa=SEARCH_BOX


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Yes. I have just listened to the 3rd podcast and got that gist as well.

The indigenous person said a lot of things that impacted on me also. I think he is likely right on the money.

Theo would have not walked that way by himself. He was with someone. His walking sped up (as if to keep up with someone, or get away from them). The whale jumping out of the water ... Theo ended up there. But as the indigenous person said, he feels Theo met someone bad.

 

[sparks030405]

Interesting theory to paraphrase... Lisa says in thé 3rd podcast something liké 'it IS as if it was planned, while Théo was at thé toilets, that 'they' would wait for him and ask him immediately to leave, without thé opportunity to go to his friends of that Night. Then, somebody took a photo of Théo just before hé would go outside? IS this correct? And CM doesn't know anything about this woman? This IS too much ...I have sometimes thé feeling that all this was planned and that that woman IS a planned actor of this foul play. If this IS correct, then thé photo 'fits': one send it to somebody of thé 'team' in order to identify Théo and take him in a very Bad 'plan'...

 

[espirtu pampa]

Read these 2 words in a sentence here up : territorials and/or locals. What is the difference in meaning ?

 

[SouthAussie]

Read these 2 words in a sentence here up : territorials and/or locals. What is the difference in meaning ?

Territorial means that they feel that it is their territory and no-one else should have special privileges. I believe that was said when they spoke of locals (people living in Byron) who resented that only backpackers were welcome in Cheeky Monkeys. The local people were not allowed in there - but those local people felt territorial. As if it was their town, they should be allowed to go wherever they want.

I can understand the reasoning though, of the bar owners. Cheeky Monkeys was probably trying to keep rougher local people out - ones who may go there just to pick on/start trouble with the travellers or pick up the girls.

 

[Chiatos]

Read these 2 words in a sentence here up : territorials and/or locals. What is the difference in meaning ?

The territorials are the indigenous if you ask me

 

[espirtu pampa]

Also read that third word indigenous. So territorials could also be a politically correct word for indigenous.

 

[Rocket333]

Also read that third word indigenous. So territorials could also be a politically correct word for indigenous.

Territorials refers to what SA said. People who believe it’s their place or territory, and everyone else is a guest or intruder. They protect their home and don’t like outsiders.

 

[Jenz]

Lols you can visualise it hey

Yep!!!

 

[SouthAussie]

The territorials are the indigenous if you ask me

Nope. We would never refer to to our indigenous people in that way, and neither would they.

 

[Jenz]

The territorials are the indigenous if you ask me

Indigenous people of Australia have been dealt a raw blow to say the least.
IMO indigenous people are NOT involved in Theo's disappearance and, if anything have given a beautiful ceremony for Theo.

From what I gather, the territorials, as rocket said are people, regardless of background etc. take up postion in an area, cos they can. Generally, they are people who camp up, either because they can't afford housing or choose to live the life of not fitting into "society " as a way if life....rather than work and pay their way. In saying that, for many reasons may have no choice.
However, there are some that, as I said, choose to live the free life and feel they have a right to do whatever they please and stay whetever they like.

Byron has it's drug issues, and some of these "transients", "lobbers", whatever.....take these sites as their territory....and may not take kindly to intruders, ie backpackers or anyone lobbing on in...

Hope I explained this ok....correct me anyone, if I have not given appropriate impressions.

 

[Rocket333]

Interesting theory to paraphrase... Lisa says in thé 3rd podcast something liké 'it IS as if it was planned, while Théo was at thé toilets, that 'they' would wait for him and ask him immediately to leave, without thé opportunity to go to his friends of that Night. Then, somebody took a photo of Théo just before hé would go outside? IS this correct? And CM doesn't know anything about this woman? This IS too much ...I have sometimes thé feeling that all this was planned and that that woman IS a planned actor of this foul play. If this IS correct, then thé photo 'fits': one send it to somebody of thé 'team' in order to identify Théo and take him in a very Bad 'plan'...

I didn’t hear Lisa imply any of that. She recounted what she saw on the video: drinking, dancing, toilet, bouncer escorting him out, photo, listening to the bouncer, gesturing to person in the queue, leaving. Sounds like the usual process of a person in a nightclub being kicked out.
She also said Theo’s English wasn’t great and he had to concentrate when the bouncer spoke to him. This last bit about his English not being great makes you wonder who (if anyone) could communicate to him about a gathering at Tennyson Street in a way he’d understand and feel willing to go.

 

[SouthAussie]

I didn’t hear Lisa imply any of that. She recounted what she saw on the video: drinking, dancing, toilet, bouncer escorting him out, photo, listening to the bouncer, gesturing to person in the queue, leaving. Sounds like the usual process of a person in a nightclub being kicked out.
She also said Theo’s English wasn’t great and he had to concentrate when the bouncer spoke to him. This last bit about his English not being great makes you wonder who (if anyone) could communicate to him about a gathering at Tennyson Street in a way he’d understand and feel willing to go.

Did you notice in the 3rd podcast it spoke of Theo stopping for 7 mins? I think it was in the area of the park ... which was described as being dark (unlit).

 

[Rocket333]

Did you notice in the 3rd podcast it spoke of Theo stopping for 7 mins? I think it was in the area of the park ... which was described as being dark (unlit).

Yes, he paused in Kingsley to check directions to WU and then walked to the end of Tennyson where he stayed for 7 minutes before leaving for Milne.
I just can’t comprehend him randomly going to the end of Tennyson. For me, he has prior knowledge of it because someone told him about it and he met them there. The riddle in all of this is who is or who are the others?

 

[SouthAussie]

Yes, he paused in Kingsley to check directions to WU and then walked to the end of Tennyson where he stayed for 7 minutes before leaving for Milne.
I just can’t comprehend him randomly going to the end of Tennyson. For me, he has prior knowledge of it because someone told him about it and he met them there. The riddle in all of this is who is or who are the others?

I think that the only way that the police can do that is to do a tower dump and then use the process of elimination.

Are the police willing to do that? They seem to be thinking that Theo was simply a victim of his own doing ... an accident.

 

[Jables333]

Yes, he paused in Kingsley to check directions to WU and then walked to the end of Tennyson where he stayed for 7 minutes before leaving for Milne.
I just can’t comprehend him randomly going to the end of Tennyson. For me, he has prior knowledge of it because someone told him about it and he met them there. The riddle in all of this is who is or who are the others?

Yeah, others in the area that Theo, and his phone were in, must be identified.

It's mind blowing that no-one has come forward, and that no camera footage or data from communications companies is available.

On a database somewhere may well be a data trail showing another phone, or phones, moving alongside Theo's on the Milne track towards Tallows... does anyone know how to find out if such data exists???