Australia Australia - Theo Hayez, 18, Belgian backpacker, Byron Bay, June 2019 #2

[Rocket333]

To rule out burial in beach they could be using infrared thermography . This is used to check under cement slabs etc. it does seem incredible that if he fell or was pushed into the ocean that nothing has washed up . So bizarre

(sorry last reply stuffed up)

Should something show (or have shown) in the ocean, or been washed up on a beach by now is what I’m wondering?

Early November Amelia Bambridge’s body was found floating in the Cambodian sea 100kms from where she’d had a night time swim and drowned a week earlier.

Five months after disappearing at a Port Macquarie beach Erwan Ferrieux‘s bones were found on another beach about 2 kms north of where he entered the water.

British backpacker accidentally drowned after Cambodian beach party, official says

https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/ns...es-found-on-nsw-beach-say-cops-ng-b881260966z[/QUOTE]

 

[Ann764]

What about DNA testing on the camp rope ties . If as stated by volunteers in pod 5 the tarp was well tied on? What ex army, boat experience etc what kind of knots. , background. Perhaps their is DNA in those knots protected from the elements , if untied perhaps? . They may have a person on record.

 

[Ann764]

(sorry last reply stuffed up)

Should something show (or have shown) in the ocean, or been washed up on a beach by now is what I’m wondering?

Early November Amelia Bambridge’s body was found floating in the Cambodian sea 100kms from where she’d had a night time swim and drowned a week earlier.

Five months after disappearing at a Port Macquarie beach Erwan Ferrieux‘s bones were found on another beach about 2 kms north of where he entered the water.

British backpacker accidentally drowned after Cambodian beach party, official says

https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/ns...es-found-on-nsw-beach-say-cops-ng-b881260966z

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Yes but the car was found with belongings we don’t know if they were stripped hence only bones.

 

[Rocket333]

What about DNA testing on the camp rope ties . If as stated by volunteers in pod 5 the tarp was well tied on? What ex army, boat experience etc what kind of knots. , background. Perhaps their is DNA in those knots protected from the elements , if untied perhaps? . They may have a person on record.

Nothing intensive (or even remotely forensic) appears to have been done. My only hope is that Ken Gamble PI picks up some slack.

New ropes & tarp = money

 

[mussopossum]

Theo Hayez's godfather speaks of the anguish felt by the missing Belgian backpacker's family | Daily Mail Online

It's an exhausting torture': Theo Hayez's godfather speaks out about the anguish the missing Belgian backpacker's family have felt since he mysteriously disappeared

 

[Rocket333]

Yes but the car was found with belongings we don’t know if they were stripped hence only bones.[/QUOTE]

What I mean is that at least after 5 months Edwin’s bones surfaced and proved he was deceased. Amelias body was found floating a week after disappearing. If Theo has drowned what’s the chances of something floating or washing up?

 

[Ann764]

Tha

Nothing intensive (or even remotely forensic) appears to have been done. My only hope is that Ken Gamble PI picks up some slack.

New ropes & tarp/S too = money

I completely agree! Its beyond strange! The family to date have been foundational to the evidence google maps etc but they are left engaging with David and locals to try and re trace Theo’s movements etc all very bizarre

 

[SouthAussie]

So much time passed and volunteer time wasted by police not releasing more information. Telstra info. DNA on ‘The Judge’ club. If everything known was tabled, together, Websleuths, PI and volunteers would be more useful to Theo’s family.

The police are not in the habit of releasing private information to the public. They only release what they need assistance with. It is up to witnesses, the PI, volunteers to go to the police if they stumble on further info. Totally normal procedure. Theo is no different from the other missing persons or victims of crime in this country.

The PI did say that the police have released information to him ... which he, of course, is keeping private.

 

[Ann764]

The police are not in the habit of releasing private information to the public. They only release what they need assistance with. It is up to witnesses, the PI, volunteers to go to the police if they stumble on further info. Totally normal procedure. Theo is no different from the other missing persons or victims of crime in this country.

The PI did say that the police have released information to him ... which he, of course, is keeping private.

Understand however pod 4 Lisa and family seem ill informed hence them walking the track with locals etc. perhaps they don’t have that much information as we think/ hoped

 

[Harpboon]

Yep, however that V shape at the CC end of the original route published stays with me. The left side of the V is the spiky hill he climbed up ( what you’re referring to). The right side of the V is the sea cliffs. That side of the published route has never received further comment or elaboration, so it’s not clear if he also went right and took a look at the cliff side too.

What v are you talking about? I can’t see a v?

 

[Rocket333]

Tha

I completely agree! Its beyond strange! The family to date have been foundational to the evidence google maps etc but they are left engaging with David and locals to try and re trace Theo’s movements etc all very bizarre

"I think it's really important that it’s made a lot clearer initially for families to know what to expect from police because it is really heartbreaking when you find, like we did, that the police weren't able to allocate any resources to us because Dan's case wasn't high risk." ~ Loren O’Keeffe, founder of Missing Persons Advocacy Service

People have spent six months searching for Theo, all they've found is 'sadness and emptiness'

 

[Ann764]

Perhaps even if they bluffed that DNA has been found instead of noth

What v are you talking about? I can’t see a v?

cosey corner how the map of movements shows a movement up to the left ( car park) and to the right . Refer to rocket333 map

 

[Rocket333]

What v are you talking about? I can’t see a v?

At CC his path goes left and right (what I describe as a V shaped movement). Actually it’s probably more of a Y.

 

[Ann764]

"I think it's really important that it’s made a lot clearer initially for families to know what to expect from police because it is really heartbreaking when you find, like we did, that the police weren't able to allocate any resources to us because Dan's case wasn't high risk." ~ Loren O’Keeffe, founder of Missing Persons Advocacy Service

People have spent six months searching for Theo, all they've found is 'sadness and emptiness'

Absolutely. Under resourced , it’s like when your toddler wonders off , horrifically drowns in the dam etc. we all think someone is watching but with that kind of assumption tragedy strikes. I now never take my eyes off the children when there is any gathering . I have to know that someone is completely responsible and never relying on assuming that it’s all ok . It’s not

 

[SouthAussie]

"I think it's really important that it’s made a lot clearer initially for families to know what to expect from police because it is really heartbreaking when you find, like we did, that the police weren't able to allocate any resources to us because Dan's case wasn't high risk." ~ Loren O’Keeffe, founder of Missing Persons Advocacy Service

People have spent six months searching for Theo, all they've found is 'sadness and emptiness'

Yes, this is true. The families need to know what to expect, and what not to expect.

They also need to know that they won't be kept across the intricacies of the case.

If a case is considered to be foul play, this could compromise the investigation.
A homeless person may be harmed or accused because people mistakenly think he has involvement.
Sub judice may be harmed - a trial thrown out or compromised due to inadequacy to bring about a fair trial.

The police know what they can release and what they can't release in order to bring a case to justice, if that is so deemed.

 

[Harpboon]

At CC his path goes left and right (what I describe as a V shaped movement). Actually it’s probably more of a Y.

Okay I can see it now

 

[Chiatos]

Theo went north-west up toward the hang-gliding platform, or goat track between that and the lighthouse, not the way Connor went which is closer to the beach cliff and heads to the lighthouse north-east of CC where there is a danger sign now located. Theo’s route was more straight up and over towards Main Beach from my understanding of last ping location. So if he fell, it wouldn’t be near the lighthouse cliffs, it would be along one of the bay cliffs near The Pass. That’s my understanding. Otherwise he never made it that far, and something happened to him around last ping area which I think, was in bushland.

His movements and the interviews on the podcast do make me think he took drugs, maybe unintentionally ice. I also think a bit differently to GM, and have wondered if Theo had been chatting online to a fake girl on Tindr, who was in fact a guy, or gang etc. but seems he willingly went along with whoever he met on Tennyson for initial journey toward Milne Track then things changed.

So much time passed and volunteer time wasted by police not releasing more information. Telstra info. DNA on ‘The Judge’ club. If everything known was tabled, together, Websleuths, PI and volunteers would be more useful to Theo’s family.

Yes, according to police, the last ping came West from the lighthouse.
Therefore not from the cliffs East / South from the lighthouse.

In that area West, the bat was found and according to pod5, other weird stuff: objects and a fake grave.

 

[mussopossum]

I thought the 5 th podcast was probably the least factual and informative it was a lot of assumptions and little complete evidence based . The family , locals are by all accounts like us keeping the case relevant. Eg what happens with the cap , the judge stick, the licence etc. we really are not privileged to a lot of information. There appears to be a breakdown of communication and levels of commitment. In podcast 4 it is clear that Lisa and the other cousin are at a loss too with their limited knowledge . You would think the police would be working closely with them not the locals and David. Seems strange

We don't know what LE are doing in the background or what info or knowledge Lisa, Michael and Theos family have. IMO LE, the locals, volunteers, David, the PI and Theos family would be all working together, we just find out whatever information they decide to release and tell us.

It is hard, but things stay quiet for a reason when a case is being worked. All IMOO.

 

[Deleted member 255258]

The poster would’ve just made that up from glancing at the CMs clip where Theo is looking at something in his hand. Thinking logically, the family would have let it be known that Theo was holding a note if that was the case, or they had concrete info about it. They regard the thing in his hand as his phone. David Murray hasn’t mentioned anything about a note either. Unless your poster was physically there and witnessed the note, it’s currently without any merit.

That's what I am trying to find out - if he was there. He is making a concerted point it was a note not his phone. He is basing it on CCTV footage of after Theo was evicted from CM. Was that footage made public? If not then again how would he know. If it was made public then yes, he may have thought the phone was a note, if the footage was unclear. That said, the post is still there and you would think the LFTH group would have deleted it or commented by now, but its still there and not a single response. They are quick to dispel these things post if incirrect why not this one?

 

[Rocket333]

The police are not in the habit of releasing private information to the public. They only release what they need assistance with. It is up to witnesses, the PI, volunteers to go to the police if they stumble on further info. Totally normal procedure. Theo is no different from the other missing persons or victims of crime in this country.

The PI did say that the police have released information to him ... which he, of course, is keeping private.

If the police had Theo’s phone in their possession and there’s nothing of value on it, they still aren’t required to declare it are they? Even with the community actively searching for it.