Australia Australia - Theo Hayez, 18, Belgian backpacker, Byron Bay, June 2019 #2

[Harpboon]

Yes, according to police, the last ping came West from the lighthouse.
Therefore not from the cliffs East / South from the lighthouse.

In that area West, the bat was found and according to pod5, other weird stuff: objects and a fake grave.

Yes that’s what I understood as well, that his phone pinged west of the light house.
That’s why it’s hard to entertain the cliff theory because I can’t explain away the ping.

 

[SouthAussie]

Yes that’s what I understood as well, that his phone pinged west of the light house.
That’s why it’s hard to entertain the cliff theory because I can’t explain away the ping.

Was the ping ever accurately triangulated? I have not seen anything in MSM that says that it was. It would require data from two or (preferably) three towers to get an accurate ping location, otherwise the location can only be specified in general terms - to the closest approximate location dependent on the strength of the ping (and therefore its proximity to a single tower).

Perhaps the GPS info helps to identify the final ping's location? And even that can be out by plus/minus 3 metres, apparently.

imo

 

[sparks030405]

Yes, according to police, the last ping came West from the lighthouse.
Therefore not from the cliffs East / South from the lighthouse.

In that area West, the bat was found and according to pod5, other weird stuff: objects and a fake grave.

Yea that’s what I thought. So if Theo ran into some kind of trouble, it happened on land, not at sea, based on his last mobile ping location

 

[Harpboon]

Was the ping ever accurately triangulated? I have not seen anything in MSM that says that it was. It would require data from two or (preferably) three towers to get an accurate ping location, otherwise the location can only be specified in general terms - to the closest approximate location dependent on the strength of the ping (and therefore its proximity to a single tower).

Perhaps the GPS info helps to identify the final ping's location? And even that can be out by plus/minus 3 metres, apparently.

imo

I’m no expert in mobile phone towers. Only repeating what I have read on here and Facebook page LFTH, podcasts ect.
“Théo's phone pinged a tower that encompasses the area from Clarkes Beach to the Lighthouse in Byron Bay before 2pm on June 1”
That makes me believe there was only one tower? I saw on here someone with a map that had a 6o° angle at which the the phone could of been in.
Do you know anything about that?

 

[sparks030405]

I think they probably have concluded it was a fatal accident - they did that in Gary Tweddle's case as well, and the Coroner found no differently.

Gary was eventually found deceased on a narrow ledge, by chance, having gone over a cliff late at night in the Blue Mountains. The police searched intensively for Gary, the same way they searched intensively for Theo. There was even speculation that Gary met a cocaine dealer late at night, but it came to nothing.

Gary's family did not want to believe it, but that was the outcome.

It wasn’t really an ‘accident’. The drugs he took made him want to suicide. He intentionally ran and jumped off the cliff. I’m saying this because I was drugged (in the Blue Mountains too) and at one point thought and wanted to do the same thing. Like it was not possible to stop yourself from doing it. It was a one off very crazy night!

 

[SouthAussie]

It wasn’t really an ‘accident’. The drugs he took made him want to suicide. He intentionally ran and jumped off the cliff.

Yes, he was apparently high as a kite, but there was no indication of suicide.

Unless you have a link that states what you are saying is what was the verdict is? I followed that entire case very closely here on WS, for the entire time. There was no indication of suicide at any point in the whole story.
There was, however, suspicion of foul play.

 

[sparks030405]

Yes, he was apparently high as a kite, but there was no indication of suicide.

Unless you have a link that states what you are saying is what was the verdict is? I followed that entire case very closely here on WS, for the entire time. There was no indication of suicide at any point in the whole story.

Podcast 3 or 4, Lisa and other lady gave insights into common side effects, length of behavioural effects (up to 5+ hours) that happen on ice (and other illicit drugs). Suicidal thoughts are reported, and paranoia (someone trying to harm you), and you would have to think that is a possible outcome for Theo and Gary, given a mix of wine, beer, marijuana, heroine, ice, prescription medication. Theo had minimum two of those. Postcasts imply more - probably at least four in total, minimum three but I doubt that based on my own urine test results. Theo pre-loaded on up to half of a 4-5 litre cask of wine, then moved on to up to 2 schooners of beer, then went looking for more +++? Maybe in Theo’s case paranoia and rushed, slipped off goat track. Would be great if Telstra/LE/family issue map showing final ping area

 

[espirtu pampa]

I think in a situation like this it is prudent to be open to, consider, and explore all avenues. I don’t recall the family being aware of, or approving the use of Theo’s image and info in that particular forum. If so, irrespective of the intent you can see how it’s perceived controversially as it takes a big liberty, is careless and disrespectful to the family and risks messing with the task of dealing with an already complex situation. This avenue could’ve been explored more professionally and adeptly. I think it’s how it was done, rather than why.

I can't remember if the family was asked permission to put Théo's profile in that particular forum. As the aim is to find their son I doubt they would disagree.

Also one has to take into account the huge difference of mentalities between the australian and the belgian ones. I live in the Brussels area and I almost fell down discovering the australian one.

 

[Rocket333]

I can't remember if the family was asked permission to put Théo's profile in that particular forum. As the aim is to find their son I doubt they would disagree.

Also one has to take into account the huge difference of mentalities between the australian and the belgian ones. I live in the Brussels area and I almost fell down discovering the australian one.

Do you think that’s why Belgium detectives came here? To check things were being handled properly?

 

[Jenz]

I’m no expert in mobile phone towers. Only repeating what I have read on here and Facebook page LFTH, podcasts ect.
“Théo's phone pinged a tower that encompasses the area from Clarkes Beach to the Lighthouse in Byron Bay before 2pm on June 1”
That makes me believe there was only one tower? I saw on here someone with a map that had a 6o° angle at which the the phone could of been in.
Do you know anything about that?

It was something that Chiatos had posted back on page 37...
Was only an estimation by chiatos with information acquired by the podcast #2.

Correct me if I am mistaken Chiatos.

 

[Rocket333]

Just placing this one down here. What if Theo lost his cap whilst returning along the beach track to Milne.

We all take it that it dropped whilst he was heading for the beach. An alternative thought is that it dropped whilst trying to leave.

 

[Jenz]

Just placing this one down here. What if Theo lost his cap whilst returning along the beach track to Milne.

We all take it that it dropped whilst he was heading for the beach. An alternative thought is that it dropped whilst trying to leave.

I had wondered that as well rocket...but the gps doesn't show him returning down that path...that we are aware of?
MO

 

[SouthAussie]

I’m no expert in mobile phone towers. Only repeating what I have read on here and Facebook page LFTH, podcasts ect.
“Théo's phone pinged a tower that encompasses the area from Clarkes Beach to the Lighthouse in Byron Bay before 2pm on June 1”
That makes me believe there was only one tower? I saw on here someone with a map that had a 6o° angle at which the the phone could of been in.
Do you know anything about that?

My thought is ....

The telco ping area gives a 60 degree angle, which is probably pretty accurate. (Yes, I think it is only from one tower due to other towers being too far away.)

The GPS gives a whole other place for its last reading, and it is not within the 60 degree angle.

So, to me, it seems Theo walked/climbed up from the place of the last GPS reading (obviously after the last reading), and may have been on the eastern outer edge of the telco angle .. placing him very close to some wicked cliff drops. Some drops where the police have searched, and climbed down, as best they can.

60 degree angle - telco last ping zone

GPS last reading

 

[Rocket333]

I had wondered that as well rocket...but the gps doesn't show him returning down that path...that we are aware of?
MO

The GPS stopped tracking at CC. Theo still left there and went somewhere.

 

[Jenz]

The GPS stopped tracking at CC. Theo still left there and went somewhere.

True that....

 

[Jenz]

True that....

.... the final ping still puts "his phone" in that 60 degree angle? Which is something we can pretty much count on?

 

[espirtu pampa]

Do you think that’s why Belgium detectives came here? To check things were being handled properly?

That's what the Belgian detectives said : they came to check. Well over here people thought they were kidding because they are so poor themselves at handling local problems.
Maybe they were useful for things we don't know yet as international requests but then what is the use of embassies at a time they all complain of lack of money, of spoiling various ressources ?

 

[Ann764]

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Yes, he was apparently high as a kite, but there was no indication of suicide.

Unless you have a link that states what you are saying is what was the verdict is? I followed that entire case very closely here on WS, for the entire time. There was no indication of suicide at any point in the whole story.
There was, however, suspicion of foul play.

According to who, I feel that these assumptions are just that. Keep to facts that presumption is out of line

 

[Chiatos]

The thing with those 'pings' is that prior to the last ping within the 'Clarkes-angle', there must have been other pings in the adjacent Tallow-angle to the East.

It would be very interesting to know when the last ping had been in the Tallow- angle and when the first ping was in the Clarkes-angle

 

[Chiatos]

My thought is ....

The telco ping area gives a 60 degree angle, which is probably pretty accurate. (Yes, I think it is only from one tower due to other towers being too far away.)

The GPS gives a whole other place for its last reading, and it is not within the 60 degree angle.

So, to me, it seems Theo walked/climbed up from the place of the last GPS reading (obviously after the last reading), and may have been on the eastern outer edge of the telco angle .. placing him very close to some wicked cliff drops. Some drops where the police have searched, and climbed down, as best they can.

60 degree angle - telco last ping zone
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GPS last reading
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The last GPS was at 00:05.
After that Theo communicated with others and watched YT. Obviously he wouldn't have done that while climbing those dangerous cliffs .
So Theo must have been in a comfy place doing these things till 1 am.
That could have been anywhere on the beach or even off the beach.

Sure, he could have climbed the cliffs after 1am, but an hour after midnight is a long time to figure out how to leave the beach in a safe manner.

Assuming that Theo was operating his phone and not someone else.