Australia Australia - Theo Hayez, 18, Belgian backpacker, Byron Bay, June 2019 #3

[Laluna]

Hi! First post here after reddit sucked me into this case, but I was just google mapping everything and noticed Cosy Corner Beach has one review on google maps - a 1-star review with the text "I almost died here" from 17 hours ago. Reviewer also appears to have been at the Cheeky Monkey, likely the same night.

Probably nothing but it was a jarring thing to read in light of reading all night about Theo's case.

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Where on Reddit is this case discussed?
Have been looking, but couldn’t find much interesting...
Many thanks!

 

[Deleted member 249471]

'MD' as Lisa described is MDMA aka Molly, ecstasy or pills. It would not make Theo behave so erratically or energetically. It typically gives energy to dance (and potentially hug others) all night.

Not fearlessly run up a hill, into the bush and off a cliff. Your mind would still be your own. Theo would have been able to use his phone the way he did, but the rest of it is not consistent with this drug.

Acid could make someone want to roam and do very stupid things because they are seeing an alternate world, I've been told.

But it also makes others want to stay somewhere closed in and safe because the hallucinations can be terrifying to people who aren't accustomed to alternate realities and such sensory overload. Particularly if they didn't knowingly consume the drug and don't understand what's happening.

However, on this drug Theo's phone use would have been as erratic as his behaviour.

I think that whatever the slab gang are spiking drinks with, is something that is making people lay down flat and motionless on the ground. There's been a few accounts of that.

Even if Theo was on mind altering drugs, I still don't believe he was alone. I think it would be a true miracle if Theo found the entry to Milne track, made it through the bush, around two camps and to CC alone with only his phone for light while being unfamiliar with the area.

I am reminded of the people on drugs at music festivals who get lost for days in the surrounding bush even though it's daylight and they can hear the music and see structures yet they sill can't get themselves back into the event, lol. No way Theo did this alone at night, on or off drugs.

TBH, I am not too concerned with what happened after reaching Tallow Beach or where Theo ended up. He literally could be anywhere.

I think the key is what happened between Theo leaving CM and someone else's decision to lead Theo or his phone through Milne Track. I'm convinced there are witnesses. I don't believe we have to look very far.

I think a thorough look at the areas Theo paused at is also vital - the slab, the houses around Cowper and Carlyle, and the vine alcove at CC.

 

[psyslueth]

Months ago in the LFTH FB page I suggested we crowdfund for a $ reward for information. But the admins deleted my message immediately. I don’t know why this isn’t a good option? Maybe the PI could arrange? I’d contribute to see this poor family find answers.

the search team are doing alot from the beginning to hinder and block anything they want to hinder and block. Obstruct. I dont think it is all what it is in there. The family really need to break free from the control of that team and independently use the PI to find Theo without their influence or things having to go through them all the time. The mother told me to give info the grey car in the CCTV footage to a member of the team and that she requested I be put in touch with the poscast guy DAVID and I was instantly rebuked with a lack of interest in psychic info although my vision saw the same grey car in the footage to the top left sitting with headlights on by this person. She was unconcerned the mother was asking for me to have his details to report it. I think the language barrier causes them to be vulnerable and maybe they are not being told everything. I feel sorry for them.

 

[psyslueth]

Wow that’s a great pic, Good find! I’m going to attach some pics that I took from when I was at CC of the headland goat tracks that bloke was standing in.

It’s pretty high up there and not the clearest route at the start but it def can be done IMO. You can see in one of the pics me actually starting my climb.

Also there was a couple of interesting things just behind the tree line. There was a square hole in ground with concrete, almost like a fire pit. As well as some old concrete that honestly looked like a couch. My partner commented at the time how it would be a cool place for a party at night!

Edit to add some more shots

That structure like a grave almost is really creepy to me.

 

[psyslueth]

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I never posted again after that I thought the censorship was a bit intense.

I just has 3 comments deleted after re posting 3 times lol. Others have told me that they constantly delete stuff they dont want to hear esp if you speak your mind!

 

[psyslueth]

Should we clarify the seemingly ‘intended shortest direct route’ albeit with an apparent mis-direction and backtracking correction to/from Cowper/Carlyle? Which was Rec Grounds > Cowper > Marvell > Massinger > Short > Paterson > Milne St > Milne Track...

I am thinking IF Theo was with other/s who lead him from Tennyson, they would not make the mistake to go as far as Cowper/Carlyle (unless picking someone up), but instead he may have been following directions on his own via WhatsApp chat with unknown POI, and mistook route at one point, so maybe he met someone closer to Paterson or Milne St who then lead him through Milne Track and on to CC.

So a series of handovers starting at 1. Cheeky Monkeys, then 2. Tennyson, then 3. Paterson/Milne. Otherwise handover process starts at 2. Tennyson.

Can I just clarify, this is great info thanks! at 12:56 or somthing like that you say his phone pinged near town? Does this mean he may have made it into the town at that point and maybe met some people?

 

[Rocket333]

Can I just clarify, this is great info thanks! at 12:56 or somthing like that you say his phone pinged near town? Does this mean he may have made it into the town at that point and maybe met some people?

It was the final gps point and not a ping from the cell tower, and only had a 2k accuracy. Could be town or Tallow beach.

 

[SouthAussie]

It was the final gps point and not a ping from the cell tower, and only had a 2k accuracy. Could be town or Tallow beach.

Which is exactly why I wonder why so many people think the other gps points are so accurate.

Either they all need to be considered inaccurate or they all need to be considered accurate.

Otherwise it is just manipulating data to suit differing and/or preferred scenarios. imo

 

[psyslueth]

It was the final gps point and not a ping from the cell tower, and only had a 2k accuracy. Could be town or Tallow beach.

I find this interesting as it might match a vision etc I had which I wont discuss on this forum as I understand its not for that sort of content, but its good to know something might make sense to me I was trying to line up with what I got. Thanks heaps I appreciate that.. its baffled me since I found out his GPS walk cause alot of other stuff I got..

 

[SouthAussie]

I find this interesting as it might match a vision etc I had which I wont discuss on this forum as I understand its not for that sort of content, but its good to know something might make sense to me I was trying to line up with what I got. Thanks heaps I appreciate that.. its baffled me since I found out his GPS walk cause alot of other stuff I got..

Just so you know, we are not allowed to discuss psychic visions on WS. Part of the TOS.

Etiquette & Information Discussion

 

[psyslueth]

Which is exactly why I wonder why so many people think the other gps points are so accurate.

Either they all need to be considered inaccurate or they all need to be considered accurate.

Otherwise it is just manipulating data to suit differing and/or preferred scenarios. imo

Yes i definitely question the GPS data and walk... something doesn't sit perfectly right.

 

[psyslueth]

Just so you know, we are not allowed to discuss psychic visions on WS. Part of the TOS.

yep hence why i said 'I understand this isnt the forum for that' I didnt discuss psychic info, I discussed facts which were helpful to me and how I work and clearly stated I would not discuss my visions. Im allowed to say 'i had a vision'... you cant stop people being who they are. Im not discussing any of my visions other than I saw a the same GREY car that is in CCTV footage which is FACT it is THERE and real. Im not breaking any TOS rules>

 

[SouthAussie]

yep hence why i said 'I understand this isnt the forum for that' I didnt discuss psychic info, I discussed facts which were helpful to me and how I work and clearly stated I would not discuss my visions. Im allowed to say 'i had a vision'... you cant stop people being who they are. Im not discussing any of my visions other than I saw a the same GREY car that is in CCTV footage which is FACT it is THERE and real. Im not breaking any TOS rules>

Apologies ... I thought you said wanted to discuss a vision (I think I read wont as want), but I now see I misread your post. My mistake.

 

[psyslueth]

Apologies ... I thought you said wanted to discuss a vision (I think I read wont as want), but I now see I misread your post. My mistake.

No Worries, thanks for clarifying

 

[Rocket333]

Which is exactly why I wonder why so many people think the other gps points are so accurate.

Either they all need to be considered inaccurate or they all need to be considered accurate.

Otherwise it is just manipulating data to suit differing and/or preferred scenarios. imo

Sorry, I don’t understand how data gets manipulated. The route published follows the path down the fire trail and Tommy’s track exactly, and ends neatly at CC? Where else could this data sit? When they say there’s a 2k accuracy, that’s in relation to the solitary phone tower connecting isn’t it? The Paterson Street tower is mentioned a lot and that 60 deg catchment angle. If that’s the true data they acquired from his google tracking, where else would it sit apart from the path from CMs to CC?

 

[SouthAussie]

Sorry, I don’t understand how data gets manipulated. The route punished follows the path down the fire trail and Tommy’s track exactly, and ends neatly at CC? Where else could this data sit? When they say there’s a 2k accuracy, that’s in relation to the solitary phone tower connecting isn’t it? The Paterson Street tower is mentioned a lot and that 60 deg catchment angle. If that’s the true data they acquired from his google tracking, where else would it sit apart from the path from CMs to CC?

I believe (as you said) the accuracy of the last point is gps accuracy.

Which means that the trail that everyone seems to be following could be on the other side of the headland for all we know. Around Clarke's Beach, for example. I don't think we can select certain gps points as accurate and other gps point(s) as inaccurate. Especially as no-one has been able to mimic Theo's apparent gps points other than 'parts' or 'a part' of the points.

That 60 degree angle covers pretty much all of the headland, and does not (it seems) cover Tallow Beach. Not from diagrams we have seen, anyway.

Which is why I have said several times, the gps and ping data does not line up.

 

[T-dawg420]

https://www.byron.nsw.gov.au/files/...6a15AF34orSUs3mP2cFaPml9D5tY0fpi4OKh8juQD8FnA

Quite an interesting read for people that still believe tourism isn’t that important to Byron bay!!!

 

[T-dawg420]

Volcano victims yet to ‘wake up’
This article is not about Theo, it’s about the White Island volcano eruption. I post it here with all due respect, I just wanted to highlight a particular part of the article that’s shows in some people’s minds, tourism trumps peoples lives. You don’t have to read the article cos it is a bit full on, but just wanted to link where I found this statement from.
Cos IMO Byron bay is very important to the local, regional and state economy.

“The dramatic update comes as New Zealand begins to debate the future of tourism on White Island in the country’s picturesque Bay of Plenty.

While some have called for tours to stop immediately, others including the former mayor of Whakatane, Tony Bonne, say the volcano is too important to the local, regional and national tourism economy to shut down permanently.”

 

[BusterXP]

Volcano victims yet to ‘wake up’
This article is not about Theo, it’s about the White Island volcano eruption. I post it here with all due respect, I just wanted to highlight a particular part of the article that’s shows in some people’s minds, tourism trumps peoples lives. You don’t have to read the article cos it is a bit full on, but just wanted to link where I found this statement from.
Cos IMO Byron bay is very important to the local, regional and state economy.

“The dramatic update comes as New Zealand begins to debate the future of tourism on White Island in the country’s picturesque Bay of Plenty.

While some have called for tours to stop immediately, others including the former mayor of Whakatane, Tony Bonne, say the volcano is too important to the local, regional and national tourism economy to shut down permanently.”

I don't think there's any cover up for the sake of tourism.
Having said that, I think the darker side of Byron that has been exposed by the media may call for some attention.

 

[inaccessiblerail]

Where on Reddit is this case discussed?
Have been looking, but couldn’t find much interesting...
Many thanks!

Hi! There are several threads in the r/unresolvedmysteries sub!