Australia Australia - Theo Hayez, 18, Belgian backpacker, Byron Bay, June 2019 #3

[SydneyWalker]

Hi Sydney ... please read up on the social media rules. Comments cannot be posted here. Only reference to comments, such as 'read the comments on this post' then link the LFTH FB admin post where the comment was made.
Perhaps you will edit your post?

If this thread becomes too much work for WS mods, they will close it down. I know we keep saying this over and over ... but it is true. We have experienced that here and on other threads. The TOS are extremely important.

Rules - Social Media - Facebook, Twitter, etc.

Sorry South Aussie, my bad. Apologies.

 

[SouthAussie]

Sorry South Aussie, my bad. Apologies.

No worries. You can always edit your post, if you do it soon (there is only 1 hour in which to edit).
Just link the relevant FB admin post, and let us know there is an interesting comment under the post. As it is a FB comment, it is considered as rumour on WS anyway.

 

[Deleted member 249471]

There's also the body of a woman found on Tallows Beach in 2014:

Police identify woman whose body was found on Byron Bay beach | Daily Mail Online

 

[Deleted member 249471]

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[Deleted member 255258]

It does matter! I for one, want to hear it. There is a process for ‘insiders’ on this site (not just Theo's thread). Here is the rule and link:
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The sooner you do it, the sooner you can start posting what you know and we can all start working together and like you said, focus on Theo.

Personally, I'd like to hear what you/George has to say

However, if you choose not to get verified, I'm afraid your posts will have to be written as though it's just a theory you have and speculation, by using words such as "I think", "maybe", "in my opinion", etc.

If you continue as is, your posts may be deleted by admin, you may get removed or the thread may get shut down.

Full list of rules are here: The Rules

I'll ask him if he wants to post directly. I'm a volunteer with the RFS and our unit is being deployed night shift for a few days north coast NSW for the fires. Will try him between.

 

[T-dawg420]

Was just reading this Understanding DNA Evidence: A Guide for Victim Service Providers

Interesting how it says an inconclusive DNA test can be from a mixture of DNA from several individuals.

There must be a reason why the hat came back inconclusive?

I wonder if one reason could be someone else was wearing that hat for a while? Could someone have found the hat and washed it either in ocean or coin laundry (doesn’t necessarily have to have washed it) and started to wear it? Maybe then sees a missing poster with the same hat and doesn’t have the cleanest record/doesn’t want to be considered a suspect/might not want to be found and just discard the hat?

 

[BusterXP]

Was just reading this Understanding DNA Evidence: A Guide for Victim Service Providers

Interesting how it says an inconclusive DNA test can be from a mixture of DNA from several individuals.

There must be a reason why the hat came back inconclusive?

I wonder if one reason could be someone else was wearing that hat for a while? Could someone have found the hat and washed it either in ocean or coin laundry (doesn’t necessarily have to have washed it) and started to wear it? Maybe then sees a missing poster with the same hat and doesn’t have the cleanest record/doesn’t want to be considered a suspect/might not want to be found and just discard the hat?

Possibly buy it would be a huge coincidince that the hat was discarded and found on the route Theo took before that route was released.

The whole hat situation is a bit iffy IMO. IIRC finding the hat was leaked prior to the information being released by the family or Police. I can't see any logical reason to do so except to create media attention. Maybe it was planted?

 

[SouthAussie]

Was just reading this Understanding DNA Evidence: A Guide for Victim Service Providers

Interesting how it says an inconclusive DNA test can be from a mixture of DNA from several individuals.

There must be a reason why the hat came back inconclusive?

I wonder if one reason could be someone else was wearing that hat for a while? Could someone have found the hat and washed it either in ocean or coin laundry (doesn’t necessarily have to have washed it) and started to wear it? Maybe then sees a missing poster with the same hat and doesn’t have the cleanest record/doesn’t want to be considered a suspect/might not want to be found and just discard the hat?

Possibly. Someone with not as many funds - perhaps one of the homeless people camped in the general area - picking up the cap (perhaps washing it off somehow, perhaps not) then wearing it ... until they discarded it.

It could be that the DNA result showed male (unidentified) DNA, and/or mixed DNA. Inconclusive.

Otherwise, if it is Theo's cap I don't understand why there is an inconclusive result. His well-worn cap should have been teeming with his DNA. Even if it was rained on. imo

 

[Rocket333]

Suppose the hat could have been found somewhere else by a homeless person and discarded later? Possibly after they found out the hat could have been Theo's and didn't want to look guilty. I think I remember someone saying they were surprised the hat wasn't located earlier as that area was searched. But perhaps that's just a good story ahahah.

I thought the same about the search not finding the cap but IIRC a woman in Pod 5 (? sorry suffering from info overload) clarified that they hadn’t searched that specific area, and when they did search it for the first time, they found the cap.

 

[Chiatos]

By the way, did you see that someone who drank with Theo has finally spoken out?

Let's hope others come forward as the message spreads...

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"adelaidenow.com.au/news/national/tourist-who-shared-drink-with-missing-belgian-backpacker-speaks-out/video/e3e5d227774c71cd709497918fd8e477"

Could Theo have heard about the Tallow party in the bottle shop? See how Antoine walks out and how Theo remains behind talking to a member of staff who seems to be giving directions.

 

[BusterXP]

Could Theo have heard about the Tallow party in the bottle shop? See how Antoine walks out and how Theo remains behind talking to a member of staff who seems to be giving directions.

I saw that but didn't think of that association. I thought it might have been directions to CM.

 

[Rocket333]

Possibly. Someone with not as many funds - perhaps one of the homeless people camped in the general area - picking up the cap (perhaps washing it off somehow, perhaps not) then wearing it ... until they discarded it.

It could be that the DNA result showed male (unidentified) DNA, and/or mixed DNA. Inconclusive.

Otherwise, if it is Theo's cap I don't understand why there is an inconclusive result. His well-worn cap should have been teeming with his DNA. Even if it was rained on. imo

Could Theo have heard about the Tallow party in the bottle shop? See how Antoine walks out and how Theo remains behind talking to a member of staff who seems to be giving directions.

That guy’s been interviewed and cleared.

“Has the man with him in the bottleshop/people at the backpackers/the Cheeky Monkey etc been interviewed?
Yes, the man with Theo at the bottleshop has been cleared and assisted with the search. The police have information of/have spoken with any relevant people (including the security guards).”
https://lookingfortheohayez.wixsite.com/theohayez

 

[mussopossum]

Was just reading this Understanding DNA Evidence: A Guide for Victim Service Providers

Interesting how it says an inconclusive DNA test can be from a mixture of DNA from several individuals.

There must be a reason why the hat came back inconclusive?

I wonder if one reason could be someone else was wearing that hat for a while? Could someone have found the hat and washed it either in ocean or coin laundry (doesn’t necessarily have to have washed it) and started to wear it? Maybe then sees a missing poster with the same hat and doesn’t have the cleanest record/doesn’t want to be considered a suspect/might not want to be found and just discard the hat?

I too wondered this initially until they confirmed it was in one of his known locations.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw...ssing-belgian-backpacker-20191013-p53073.html

"The hat found was the exact same model and colour (grey, not black), shows the same wear and tear on the brim, and the position precisely matches one of his last known GPS locations.

 

[mussopossum]

Could Theo have heard about the Tallow party in the bottle shop? See how Antoine walks out and how Theo remains behind talking to a member of staff who seems to be giving directions.

I wonder what he was talking to the staff member about.

You raise a really good point here which I'm not sure we have actually talked about.

I am not implying the bottleshop attendant knows anything however would someone in that position know all the goings-on of parties in the area as people might come buy alcohol from there to take to the beach.

General chit chat and so on, oh having a good night, having a party etc, what's the occasion.

Im sure they would also get to know regulars who might visit there each time they have a party at the beach.

 

[mussopossum]

That guy’s been interviewed and cleared.

“Has the man with him in the bottleshop/people at the backpackers/the Cheeky Monkey etc been interviewed?
Yes, the man with Theo at the bottleshop has been cleared and assisted with the search. The police have information of/have spoken with any relevant people (including the security guards).”
https://lookingfortheohayez.wixsite.com/theohayez

Been cleared maybe but I wonder if he is aware of any parties tat night from people buying alcohol for the beach.

 

[CKTC]

I'll ask him if he wants to post directly. I'm a volunteer with the RFS and our unit is being deployed night shift for a few days north coast NSW for the fires. Will try him between.

Thanks for your post Peralta. It would not matter if it came directly from GM, or via me. There are certain people on websleuths who clearly have a vendetta against GM, so not matter what he says they would dismiss it and say it's not true. GM called me the day it was found, to tell me they found a cap they think is his, and described the campsite nearby to where the cap was found. Later he sent me several pics of the site. The two I posted (one now deleted) were a couple of a series of pics from the site. So he was definitely there that day and no one can deny he was at the site on that day. I think rather than attacking someone because you have a personal vendetta about them, concentrate on Theo.

Also wondering why you received a phone call to inform you about the cap when police and the family made it clear to all searchers that day (both those in the group who found the hat and those in the other group who were in a different location) that the information was to remain absolutely confidential?

 

[CKTC]

Been cleared maybe but I wonder if he is aware of any parties tat night from people buying alcohol for the beach.

I feel like this reply in the FAQS is referring to Antoine being cleared, not the bottle shop attendant.

 

[Rocket333]

I feel like this reply in the FAQS is referring to Antoine being cleared, not the bottle shop attendant.

It would’ve been routine to speak with all who were known to have had contact.

“The police have information of/have spoken with any relevant people (including the security guards).”

 

[mussopossum]

Thanks for your post Peralta. It would not matter if it came directly from GM, or via me. There are certain people on websleuths who clearly have a vendetta against GM, so not matter what he says they would dismiss it and say it's not true. GM called me the day it was found, to tell me they found a cap they think is his, and described the campsite nearby to where the cap was found. Later he sent me several pics of the site. The two I posted (one now deleted) were a couple of a series of pics from the site. So he was definitely there that day and no one can deny he was at the site on that day. I think rather than attacking someone because you have a personal vendetta about them, concentrate on Theo.

There is no vendetta against George.

Everyone including George are welcome here however everyone needs to abide by WS terms of service and rules.

Regardless who was involved in seeing or finding a hat it is not Georges or anyone here on WS's story to tell unless they are a verified insider or can back it up with a link to the relevant verification of that information.

If no link to a MSM article or to the family or the admin page cannot verify the information we cannot post it and it might be seen as untrue.

We are all here for Theo and want to see his family get answers and see his family be able to know what has happened to their boy.

 

[mussopossum]

I feel like this reply in the FAQS is referring to Antoine being cleared, not the bottle shop attendant.

Yeah figures that.

I am more interested in what they were talking about and if the attendant was asked about their conversation by LE. Im not speculating just Chiatos raised a good point about Antione walking off and Theo chatting to the guy.

He may have advised there was a party somewhere that night