Australia Australia - Theo Hayez, 18, Belgian backpacker, Byron Bay, June 2019 #3

[sparks030405]

Has the bush around the YAC an Rec Grounds been thoroughly searched including by sniffer dogs for shallow grave? After exiting the Milne Track/surrounding streets, he could have departed company, and alone have met foul play in the early hours in that area. If not to take drugs, he could have gone to CC with a girl for fun, and she may not know all that has unfolded since their liaison

 

[Harpboon]

A few of us here initially wondered if he had met up with a girl and gone back to her accommodation at one of the nearby holiday rentals and stayed the night.

Or even a local as you say.

IMO this has always been my thought. If a girl was initially hanging out with Theo, it opens up other reasons for eventual confrontations.
Girl has boyfriend and boyfriend finds out they are hanging out?
Girl lured Theo to beach and then to house to be robbed?
Girl and Theo taking drugs then something goes wrong?


Something accidental could have happened at a locals house? Then they have covered it up. People do stupid and crazy things sometimes when faced with something like that.

 

[mussopossum]

IMO this has always been my thought. If a girl was initially hanging out with Theo, it opens up other reasons for eventual confrontations.
Girl has boyfriend and boyfriend finds out they are hanging out?
Girl lured Theo to beach and then to house to be robbed?
Girl and Theo taking drugs then something goes wrong?


Something accidental could have happened at a locals house? Then they have covered it up. People do stupid and crazy things sometimes when faced with something like that.

Totally agree.

It is definitely still something I consider if his phone was still on the next day to ping that he might have been either still sleeping or pre occupied until something went wrong.

 

[Rocket333]

Totally agree.

It is definitely still something I consider if his phone was still on the next day to ping that he might have been either still sleeping or pre occupied until something went wrong.

Good point that he may have been asleep on the Saturday in a home, and his phone pings when handled in the afternoon or when battery goes flat.

 

[Rocket333]

Has the bush around the YAC an Rec Grounds been thoroughly searched including by sniffer dogs for shallow grave? After exiting the Milne Track/surrounding streets, he could have departed company, and alone have met foul play in the early hours in that area. If not to take drugs, he could have gone to CC with a girl for fun, and she may not know all that has unfolded since their liaison

It comes across like the person he was with was well familiar with the local area and shortcuts. They lead him down that beach track which infers familiarity and the intention to go unnoticed or be discreet. This person would be well aware that CC is a dead end, and that Theo wouldn’t know that.
Theo seems to have gone relatively willingly which alludes to being in the company of someone or people he knew or felt ok with. They would’ve had something in common.

My guess is that if they departed via the same route, his cap could’ve come off then. Maybe a scuffle even occurred there. If with a local who resided nearby they easily could’ve continued on in the companions home. If so, my bet is that this is somewhere between Cowper and Milne Streets. The oval being the local neighbourhood hangout and everyone, apart from Theo is familiar. JMO

 

[sparks030405]

It comes across like the person he was with was well familiar with the local area and shortcuts. They lead him down that beach track which infers familiarity and the intention to go unnoticed or be discreet. This person would be well aware that CC is a dead end, and that Theo wouldn’t know that.
Theo seems to have gone relatively willingly which alludes to being in the company of someone or people he knew or felt ok with. They would’ve had something in common.

My guess is that if they departed via the same route, his cap could’ve come off then. Maybe a scuffle even occurred there. If with a local who resided nearby they easily could’ve continued on in the companions home. If so, my bet is that this is somewhere between Cowper and Milne Streets. The oval being the local neighbourhood hangout and everyone, apart from Theo is familiar. JMO

Agreed. So things could have gone wrong inside someone’s house. The house of the person he went to CC with. That would explain why Theo has vanished - if he’s on private property. LA has not searched houses and unit blocks in that area I’m guessing

 

[SouthAussie]

My guess is that if they departed via the same route, his cap could’ve come off then. Maybe a scuffle even occurred there.

RSBM

I think the finding of Theo's cap is pretty significant. It sounds as if it is an item that is pretty well-loved by Theo. He wore it out to a club at night (though maybe he had no chance to drop it back in his room before heading off to the bottle shop and bbq that evening), he wore it on a cooler-less-intense-sun day of 31st May.

It is not a tiny little item that would be too difficult to find - especially as it seems to be a well-liked, well-worn item - when using the light of his phone. It is an item that is valuable in the sense that we need sun protection in our country. And if it is chilly, it helps keep the head warm.

So why was it left behind? Why did Theo continue on to wherever he went, without his cap?

 

[Rocket333]

RSBM

I think the finding of Theo's cap is pretty significant. It sounds as if it is an item that is pretty well-loved by Theo. He wore it out at night (though maybe he had no chance to drop it back in his room before heading off to the bottle shop and bbq that evening), he wore it on a cooler-less-intense-sun day of 31st May.

It is not a tiny little item that would be too difficult to find - especially as it seems to be a well-liked, well-worn item - when using the light of his phone. It is an item that is valuable in the sense that we need sun protection in our country. And if it is chilly, it helps keep the head warm.

So why was it left behind? Why did Theo continue on to wherever he went, without his cap?

Remember in Pod 4 (?) cousin Lisa went into detail about how Theo wore that cap to keep his long hair off his face. She said he didn’t like his hair in his face. So it become a hair accessory of sorts at night too.

I’m wondering more and more if it came off his head on the trek out of the beach track, not due to hitting a branch but more so due to being physically confronted or assaulted. Things could’ve changed course on that track, and on the way out.

 

[Appman]

Very interesting theories of Theo returning to a residence after leaving the beach. But am I missing something? The distance from the mobile tower his phone pinged off is a accurately calculated known distance and I was under the impression his phones final ping was quite close to the lighthouse the following day ? So I don't see how his phone could be located in the streets. Telstra is able to determine his phones distance from the tower just not a confirmed location on the 60deg arc.

 

[Rocket333]

Very interesting theories of Theo returning to a residence after leaving the beach. But am I missing something? The distance from the mobile tower his phone pinged off is a accurately calculated known distance and I was under the impression his phones final ping was quite close to the lighthouse the following day ? So I don't see how his phone could be located in the streets. Telstra is able to determine his phones distance from the tower just not a confirmed location on the 60deg arc.

The concept started with this overlay of Theo’s alleged route with the 60 degree map which also covered residential streets between the oval and Milne. Is there anything concrete on the tower-phone distance?

 

[Appman]

The concept started with this overlay of Theo’s alleged route with the 60 degree map which also covered residential streets between the oval and Milne. Is there anything concrete on the tower-phone distance?

Oh I see. The way a mobile phone is triangulated is by calculating the time it's taken for a "packet" of information that is sent from a mobile to reach the tower, it can then be calculated how far the phone is located from the tower within a 60deg arc that the antenna is covering. If a second and a third tower is used the arcs will over lap at a point. Where the arcs all converge is the location of the phone. In Theo's instance only one tower was communicating with the phone meaning a second and third tower can not be used to pinpoint his location. So in this case his distance from the tower is known but where on a 60deg arc is not (this does reduce in area the closer you get the the tower as the "segment" becomes narrower.

So if the location of his final ping has been released as being close to the lighthouse that is 100% accurate. However we haven't been given the phones pings between the last Google data and final ping at the lighthouse could potentially lead into the streets and end with his phone at the lighthouse? Interesting that information hasn't been released as there is some time between the end of the Google data and final ping.

 

[Appman]

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[mussopossum]

Maybe no drugs were involved at all.

I think everyone staying at WU, or who was at WU when Theo was there, need to be contacted and asked to provide (further) information and photos from 29 to 31 May.

I think they need to do a call out globally for information and photos from CMs on 31 May.

I think they need to do a door knock and letter box drop at the homes along the route from Tennyson to Milne. To prompt memory and information about that night and any other observations.

I think they need to track down beach camper man, even just to “turn over that stone“.

I think they need to persevere with the Tennyson YAK Bush camp community and create some safe & encouraging avenue for sharing info without repercussion.

I think they need to talk more to the surfers, the Tallow beach regulars.

It’s astounding how much information sits in silence until people are personally approached. They then say they didn’t think it was important enough to tell, or didn’t know who or how to share it. Rather than wait for people to come, maybe go to them directly.

I think they need to offer and globally promote a reward considerable enough to encourage people to remember and report (anonymously or otherwise).

The Judge club needs testing and it needs commentary. If not for Theo, then for the reassurance of the community. If that was found in my “backyard” so to speak, I’d be chasing a response.

I’m thinking Theo left the beach by the beach track again, with someone very familiar with the place. I think this was decided upon reaching CC and seeing no exit. Phone off and accompanied back out again discreetly through the beach track to a home where the phone eventually pings and dies.

Just my thoughts.

Well said Rocket on all of the above.

As many and most "like" a social media page on an establishment they have visit it would have been good to see CM post on FB a call out for anyone who attended that night to contact the police. Or did they? I dont remember.

 

[mussopossum]

Agreed. So things could have gone wrong inside someone’s house. The house of the person he went to CC with. That would explain why Theo has vanished - if he’s on private property. LA has not searched houses and unit blocks in that area I’m guessing

Not that I am aware of as I think LE have always maintained he was the victim of misadventure so likely may have not knocked on doors etc but I may be wrong.

 

[sparks030405]

Sparks can you run for prime minister next election. I love your passion

Too late Musso! The floodgates have been opened for too long so I wouldn't get many votes, plus I don't believe in invisible sky fairies, which seems a pre-requisite for PM these days. Now back to looking for Theo!

 

[SouthAussie]

So if the location of his final ping has been released as being close to the lighthouse that is 100% accurate. However we haven't been given the phones pings between the last Google data and final ping at the lighthouse could potentially lead into the streets and end with his phone at the lighthouse? Interesting that information hasn't been released as there is some time between the end of the Google data and final ping.

I think that the biggest consideration is that it may not have been Theo who left his phone in the vicinity of the lighthouse.

Which is why I would like to know where else his phone was pinging - from after 11pm/12am that night until the final ping on the following afternoon at 1.42pm.

The GPS takes us to 12:05 ... then what? The phone would have been intermittently pinging/pinged, even when the battery was low.

imo

Google Answers: cell phone location, cell networks - how often does an idle phone poll cell netw

 

[Appman]

I think that the biggest consideration is that it may not have been Theo who left his phone in the vicinity of the lighthouse.

Which is why I would like to know where else his phone was pinging - from after 11pm/12am that night until the final ping on the following afternoon at 1.42pm.

The GPS takes us to 12:05 ... then what? The phone would have been intermittently pinging/pinged, even when the battery was low.

imo

Google Answers: cell phone location, cell networks - how often does an idle phone poll cell netw

I agree, I think it's interesting the phones final ping location was released but not it's movements after Google stopped reporting. My initial thought would be nothing of interest was found as LE has dismissed the case as misadventure but surely if the phone was pinging at the end of CC/lighthouse the entire time from when Google stopped reporting the night before it would be a nice fact to release to the public to strengthen their theory.

However this also puts police efforts into question. From my perspective locating the phone would be priority and I can't see how the case can be dismissed without answering the following question. The fact the final ping was at 1.42PM potentially 12 hours after they supposedly say he sadly fell from the cliffs would mean the phone had still been located at CC/lighthouse for the entirety of those 12 hours and not on him as he entered the water... I believe high tide on the 1/6 was around 6AM so if the phone was to be washed away or damaged this would have happened much earlier. So either the phones potentially still at CC/lighthouse flat or someone had returned with the phone at 1.42PM and either it died or was disposed of. I can't imagine LE would get away with saying he suffered a misadventure at 1205am when Telstra could prove the phones movements for the next 12 hours.....

 

[Rocket333]

I agree, I think it's interesting the phones final ping location was released but not it's movements after Google stopped reporting. My initial thought would be nothing of interest was found as LE has dismissed the case as misadventure but surely if the phone was pinging at the end of CC/lighthouse the entire time from when Google stopped reporting the night before it would be a nice fact to release to the public to strengthen their theory.

However this also puts police efforts into question. From my perspective locating the phone would be priority and I can't see how the case can be dismissed without answering the following question. The fact the final ping was at 1.42PM potentially 12 hours after they supposedly say he sadly fell from the cliffs would mean the phone had still been located at CC/lighthouse for the entirety of those 12 hours and not on him as he entered the water... I believe high tide on the 1/6 was around 6AM so if the phone was to be washed away or damaged this would have happened much earlier. So either the phones potentially still at CC/lighthouse flat or someone had returned with the phone at 1.42PM and either it died or was disposed of. I can't imagine LE would get away with saying he suffered a misadventure at 1205am when Telstra could prove the phones movements for the next 12 hours.....

What are the (approximate or exact) geographical boundaries on this CC/lighthouse phone ping area? Are we talking strictly CC & lighthouse only, or a broader catchment?

 

[SouthAussie]

And what about these things ... have they been thrown out of the window due to the GPS?
What do we make of that? When did the phone leave Theo's hands (if it did)?
I think it is good to go back to thread one, and read the entirety of the CCTV and other information ... not just concentrate on GPS.


He was last seen on CCTV about 15 minutes' walk from his Byron hostel, close to midnight.
..... Theo was walking back to the Wake Up! hostel on Childe Street ....
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw...theo-hayez-still-missing-20190614-p51xts.html

Today detectives collected CCTV from a holiday rental home on Shirley Street which shows what family believe is the 18-year-old on the night he went missing.
A few hours later detectives, police and sniffer dogs were seen scouring through Cumbebin Swamp Nature Reserve.
But the CCTV discovered in recent days, which the family believes is Theo, puts him on Shirley Street at 11.17pm.
Police dogs scour swamp in search for missing tourist

I think I had read that he was captured on Aloha's CCTV, and that he turned right into Dryden.
Australia - Australia - Theo Hayez, 18, Belgian backpacker, Byron Bay, June 2019

Friend Michael Dorkhom says Theo has been identified in more CCTV footage from Byron Bay's main street in the minutes after he left the bar.
Fears grow for backpacker missing in NSW

 

[Rocket333]

And what about these things ... have they been thrown out of the window due to the GPS?
What do we make of that? When did the phone leave Theo's hands (if it did)?


Friend Michael Dorkhom says Theo has been identified in more CCTV footage from Byron Bay's main street in the minutes after he left the bar.
Fears grow for backpacker missing in NSW

Today detectives collected CCTV from a holiday rental home on Shirley Street which shows what family believe is the 18-year-old on the night he went missing.
A few hours later detectives, police and sniffer dogs were seen scouring through Cumbebin Swamp Nature Reserve.
But the CCTV discovered in recent days, which the family believes is Theo, puts him on Shirley Street at 11.17pm.
Police dogs scour swamp in search for missing tourist

I think I had read that he was captured on Aloha's CCTV, and that he turned right into Dryden.
Australia - Australia - Theo Hayez, 18, Belgian backpacker, Byron Bay, June 2019

He was last seen on CCTV about 15 minutes' walk from his Byron hostel, close to midnight.
..... Theo was walking back to the Wake Up! hostel on Childe Street ....
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/people-always-turn-up-in-byron-backpacker-theo-hayez-still-missing-20190614-p51xts.html

All of the footage you’ve mentioned is inconclusive due to the quality, and doesn’t match his phone activity. The police checked it all but couldn’t use it. The short Aloha clip of someone walking on the opposite side of Shirley Street was published a few weeks or so back, and was discussed here, but there was too much doubt about it being Theo due to the graininess, and the person’s height, gait and clothing. It just didn’t look like him from the bit you could see.