Australia Australia - Theo Hayez, 18, Belgian backpacker, Byron Bay, June 2019 #3

[SouthAussie]

All of the footage you’ve mentioned is inconclusive due to the quality and not correlating with his phone activity. The police checked it all but couldn’t use it. The short Aloha clip of someone walking on the opposite side of Shirley Street was published a few weeks back, but there was too much doubt about it being g Theo due to the graininess, and the person’s height, gait and clothing.

So the family thought it was Theo ... but now they don't think it was Theo?
The police have searched swamps and entirely different areas due to those suppositions?

 

[Appman]

What are the (approximate or exact) geographical boundaries on this CC/lighthouse phone ping area? Are we talking strictly CC & lighthouse only, or a broader catchment?

I believe it was described as being in the area around the western side of the lighthouse and promoted SES and police to search the cliffs/bush in that area adjacent the lighthouse.

I've looked at the tower locations and the antenna angles they service but obviously without knowing the distance and exactly which Tower it's hard to plot however the good thing is that worse case scenario being the tower servicing his phone placed him on an arc in the wide end of the 60deg segment because the lighthouse is on a headland it leaves very little area for the phone to be, on land that is.

 

[Rocket333]

So the family thought it was Theo ... but now they don't think it was Theo?
The police have searched swamps and entirely different areas due to those suppositions?

Yes and yes.

 

[SouthAussie]

Yes and yes.

And yet somehow the police are still getting slammed for 'not doing enough'.

(not directed at you or anyone in particular - a general comment)

 

[Rocket333]

I believe it was described as being in the area around the western side of the lighthouse and promoted SES and police to search the cliffs/bush in that area adjacent the lighthouse.

I've looked at the tower locations and the antenna angles they service but obviously without knowing the distance and exactly which Tower it's hard to plot however the good thing is that worse case scenario being the tower servicing his phone placed him on an arc in the wide end of the 60deg segment because the lighthouse is on a headland it leaves very little area for the phone to be, on land that is.

Phone could be anywhere within the pink area do you mean?

 

[Appman]

Oh and it was mentioned his final ping was in sleep mode. I would seriously consider the idea the phones still in that area . I doubt someone would throw a phone into the ocean at a tourist Location on a Saturday around mid day and not have anyone report it.

I still come back to the idea that the police would be aware if the phone was moving during the 12 or so hours after Google stopped reporting and would (I hope) not dismiss the case as a misadventure if it was moving around. But they did.....so perhaps the phone didn't leave the Location of its final ping near the lighthouse and did just happen to run out of battery.

 

[Rocket333]

And yet somehow the police are still getting slammed for 'not doing enough'.

(not directed at you or anyone in particular - a general comment)

Suppositions based on Theo’s most obvious and expected path back to Wake Up from CMs. Pre the google path being released, and cctv footage obtained, it was ludicrous to entertain he’d not taken the most direct route home. I think the Shirley Street cctv footage appeared after the initial intensive search around the hostel area.

Police on the ground are very underfunded too. To be fair, without any semblance of criminal evidence they have no role and really can’t pursue a matter. There still isn’t anything to warrant police involvement, apart from someone missing. The engagement of the PI and the coronial investigation are good choices.

 

[SouthAussie]

Oh and it was mentioned his final ping was in sleep mode. I would seriously consider the idea the phones still in that area . I doubt someone would throw a phone into the ocean at a tourist Location on a Saturday around mid day and not have anyone report it.

I still come back to the idea that the police would be aware if the phone was moving during the 12 or so hours after Google stopped reporting and would (I hope) not dismiss the case as a misadventure if it was moving around. But they did.....so perhaps the phone didn't leave the Location of its final ping near the lighthouse and did just happen to run out of battery.

I suspect that the phone remained in the Cape Byron area the entire time. And that due to the weakness of the phone battery, the pings may not have been able to be triangulated.

 

[Appman]

Phone could be anywhere within the pink area do you mean?

I don't believe it could be in that entire area for two reasons. First The actual location Provided to the public has the final ping as near the lighthouse (accuracy is questionable ) and secondly the distance calculated by telcos from the tower is accurate to within 30m from memory so it would be a band of 30m deep by however far away from the tower within the 60deg arc.

 

[SouthAussie]

Suppositions based on Theo’s most obvious and expected path back to Wake Up from CMs. Pre the google path being released, and cctv footage obtained, it was ludicrous to entertain he’d not taken the most direct route home. I think the Shirley Street cctv footage appeared after the initial intensive search around the hostel area.

Police on the ground are very underfunded too. To be fair, without any semblance of criminal evidence they have no role and really can’t pursue a matter. There still isn’t anything to warrant police involvement, apart from someone missing. The engagement of the PI and the coronial investigation are good choices.

Yes, I agree. I just get annoyed to see the police being criticized when they have gone with Theo's family's 'identification' of Theo in grainy CCTV. They have gathered CCTV, gathered phone records, talked with witnesses (I recall a sighting of Theo walking/running in town), searched swamps, abseiled, ground searched, ocean dived, drone searched ... done everything that they could do.

And when they have to move on to investigate and arrest women who leave their very small children to die in a hot car while she is sleeping/partying/whatever - and other crimes - they have not done enough for Theo.

 

[Rocket333]

Another hypothetical scenario:

Theo falls unconscious at CC and is carried out via the bush track where his cap falls off his head in the process.

Wish they’d reveal where exactly the cap was found on that track.

LFTH page admins state that, “Final ping registered at 1.42pm on June 1 off the Paterson St tower” and “It means indeed that the phone was physically within the reach of that tower which covers a broad area that may include Cosy Corner. The sector of antenna connected to Théo's phone covers a specific angle but it seems that the nature of the place (hills, cliffs, vegetation,.. ) does induce some uncertainty about the exact coverage of the signal.”

 

[Appman]

Another hypothetical scenario:

Theo falls unconscious at CC and is carried out via the bush track where his cap falls off his head in the process.

Wish they’d reveal where exactly the cap was found on that track.

LFTH page admins state that, “Final ping registered at 1.42pm on June 1 off the Paterson St tower” and “It means indeed that the phone was physically within the reach of that tower which covers a broad area that may include Cosy Corner. The sector of antenna connected to Théo's phone covers a specific angle but it seems that the nature of the place (hills, cliffs, vegetation,.. ) does induce some uncertainty about the exact coverage of the signal.”

I've attached a photo of the supposed coverage area of Paterson St tower. Its interesting that it is showing the main site as being the corner of Lawson and Peterson which is different to the map previously posted. I'm assuming the coverage area being shown is the complete network and Theo's phone was only pinging the further Petersen tower With the green dot. It does show how much of a narrow area the phone would have been located in if is it correct.

 

[Rocket333]

I've attached a photo of the supposed coverage area of Paterson St tower. Its interesting that it is showing the main site as being the corner of Lawson and Peterson which is different to the map previously posted. I'm assuming the coverage area being shown is the complete network and Theo's phone was only pinging the further Petersen tower With the green dot. It does show how much of a narrow area the phone would have been located in if is it correct.

So that doesn’t cover CC?

Are you saying that his phone had a good or higher chance of being near the green dot?

 

[Appman]

So that doesn’t cover CC?

Are you saying that his phone had a good or higher chance of being near the green dot?

That's the reported coverage area of the Peterson street tower. I'd assume from the report of the final ping being in the area adjacent to the western side of the lighthouse it would be the part closest to the Cape Byron conversation area? That's assuming the maps coverage area is correct.

 

[SouthAussie]

That's the reported coverage area of the Peterson street tower. I'd assume from the report of the final ping being in the area adjacent to the western side of the lighthouse it would be the part closest to the Cape Byron conversation area? That's assuming the maps coverage area is correct.

As well, Telstra would have been able to narrow it down to a specific sector, as the ping would have been on a specific section of the tower ... with the tower containing many sections.

Which is likely how they got the '60 degree angle pointing towards the lighthouse' segment. imo

 

[Jenz]

Good point that he may have been asleep on the Saturday in a home, and his phone pings when handled in the afternoon or when battery goes flat.

Do we know what tower the 6am ping pinged?
Not sure if this has been answered before? I may have missed it.

 

[Rocket333]

Do we know what tower the 6am ping pinged?
Not sure if this has been answered before? I may have missed it.

Don’t recall that info being shared, if known. The ping specifics seem sketchy. Is there a reason it can’t be public knowledge?

 

[imstilla.grandma]

According to the Australian Institute of Criminology, over 2008-2015 there was an average of 38,159 missing persons reports every year.

Ninety-eight per cent of people are found alive, but research indicates each case directly impacts at least 12 people.

THE TIMELINE OF THEO HAYEZ'S DISAPPEARANCE
Theo Hayez DIDN'T drown: Backpacker's family rubbish theory he fell off a cliff into the ocean | Daily Mail Online

 

[Jenz]

Don’t recall that info being shared, if known. The ping specifics seem sketchy. Is there a reason it can’t be public knowledge?

Haven't been able to find anything...I hope someone has looked at it.

I found something interesting on a site called wix...gives latest updates and questions answered. It does give details to the area which encompasses the final ping. Am I allowed to post that or the site?

 

[Jenz]

I think I can....

I'll delete it if not..

https://lookingfortheohayez.wixsite.com/theohayez


Théo’s phone pinged a tower that encompasses the area from Clarkes Beach to the Lighthouse before 2pm on June 1.