Australia Australia - Theo Hayez, 18, Belgian backpacker, Byron Bay, June 2019 #3

[Rocket333]

Let's not go there CKTC.

Sometimes 'roll and scroll' or utilising the 'ignore' list is the best resolution for the entire thread ... and keeping it open.

We got closed for bickering recently and I’m thinking we’re walking a fine line again here. I’m keen to hear George’s input. Maybe George could simply qualify his points with IMO to keep things within the rules? Thanks

 

[AzPistonsGirl]

Isn't it all IMO for all of us unless we are VIs or share a link?

Grain of salt!

 

[SouthAussie]

Perp is from the area? Maybe that’s why they didn’t leave and came back to plant the hat.

Also they would of known where to plant it because they were with Theo when he walked through the bush. I think it was planted here to distract the searches from the real search area? Maybe they were getting close to finding something.

Totally agree with the hat not consistent with being in the weather for 5 weeks. Where is the bleaching from the sun? Especially a dark coloured item like that you would expect some sort of colour fading. The picture of where the hat was found does have sunlight on it. So it was exposed to sunlight..... for supposedly 5 weeks!

Just a thought as well maybe the perp knew how close they were getting because they were one of the searches. I’m not saying anyone in particular but a lot of the time the perp gets involved in the search to plant evidence, keep an eye on progress, have a explanation why their DNA would be on and in the area.

IMO

My thought is inching towards Theo not being in that area at all.

And I have started to re-review the things we learned early on in the thread. Things that didn't revolve entirely around the GPS.

There is something wrong with the way the GPS and the pings aren't matching up, to me.

 

[T-dawg420]

Just revisiting this early route map published. We talked a lot about the Cowper Street jagged movement beside the oval and along Cowper Street in thread one, then the second smoother route map became the one to use.

Is the Cowper Street up and down movement accurate? It came from family or police based on phone tracking, and is more detailed around the oval than the next published gps map.

What’s going on along Cowper Street?


Hunt for missing backpacker called off

I put a pic of this map up Not so long ago when I realised that first map that was released to the media around late July showed a deviation in it (cos I’d walked down that track and seen what I believe was Tommy’s camp and knew it was that area on the msm map). Also in that same post I mentioned how that map the gps goes up into CC which Theo’s phone did.

I then bought up the potential validity of that early map cos if the deviation around Tommy’s and the venturing in CC is accurate, then the triangle around Cowper must be too!

What has always tweaked my interest in this little ‘triangle’ movement is it actually appears he goes into a property on the corner of Carlyle and Cowper street at the very bottom of the ‘triangle’ (isn’t that around where was mentioned on podcast people park there cars to sell drugs?)

Could be nothing but if that map is accurate, might be interesting if the phone went

 

[SouthAussie]

@Harpboon About the colour of the hat : Théo had been wearing it for months so their would have been some bleaching before it fell to the ground so.... I don't know what to think now but cousin Lisa would know. Re- one of the Poscast a lady says when the cap was found there was no sunlight because the canopy was full of leaves. The bleaching must have appear before Théo went missing.

There is also no dirt on the brim of the cap. There is no splash-up that happens to an item when it has been raining and a ground item gets stained by the wet dirt from the ground and the wet leaves.

The topsoil looks very loose there (as much of our Aussie soil is due to the general dryness of our climate). I think there would have been dirty splash on the brim if the cap had been out there for 5 weeks.

 

[CKTC]

Let's not go there CKTC.

Sometimes 'roll and scroll' or utilising your own 'ignore' list is the best resolution for the entire thread ... and keeping it open.

We understand and are here for Theo, not for anyone else.

So hard Will bite my tongue from now on. Thanks.

 

[CKTC]

I put a pic of this map up Not so long ago when I realised that first map that was released to the media around late July showed a deviation in it (cos I’d walked down that track and seen what I believe was Tommy’s camp and knew it was that area on the msm map). Also in that same post I mentioned how that map the gps goes up into CC which Theo’s phone did.

I then bought up the potential validity of that early map cos if the deviation around Tommy’s and the venturing in CC is accurate, then the triangle around Cowper must be too!

What has always tweaked my interest in this little ‘triangle’ movement is it actually appears he goes into a property on the corner of Carlyle and Cowper street at the very bottom of the ‘triangle’ (isn’t that around where was mentioned on podcast people park there cars to sell drugs?)

Could be nothing but if that map is accurate, might be interesting if the phone went

Remember that each raw data point from google takeout has its own accuracy level. Some of the data points have very high accuracy and some are quite low. So it’s possible this map in MDM doesn’t take these accuracy levels into account.

 

[Harpboon]

Hi Peralta,
The cap was on Théos path through the bush, not a formal path. It’s hard to understand how it could have been missed, particularly when police said that area had been searched. It would be a massive coincidence if someone managed to plant it right on his GPS track afterwards. The other option is that the police search wasn’t thorough.

Or that who planted it was with him the first time they walked the track. So he would have know where to put it. Also could have

@Harpboon About the colour of the hat : Théo had been wearing it for months so their would have been some bleaching before it fell to the ground so.... I don't know what to think now but cousin Lisa would know. Re- one of the Poscast a lady says when the cap was found there was no sunlight because the canopy was full of leaves. The bleaching must have appear before Théo went missing.

You can definitely see sunlight on the photo of the hat they released to MSM. I said the hat doesn’t look to have sun bleaching which it should of it it had been in the position for 5 weeks

I increased contrast on pic so to enhance the sunlight hitting the hat

 

[BusterXP]

There is also no dirt on the brim of the cap. There is no splash-up that happens to an item when it has been raining and a ground item gets stained by the wet dirt from the ground and the wet leaves.

The topsoil looks very loose there (as much of our Aussie soil is due to the general dryness of our climate). I think there would have been dirty splash on the brim if the cap had been out there for 5 weeks.

I'm wondering how much rain there was over that 5 weeks. Leave a hat out in those conditions for 5 weeks and how does its appearance change? Dry exposed sunlight I'd think would have a different effect to dark and possibly moist air.
Edit: posted before I saw the pic put up.

 

[CKTC]

We got closed for bickering recently and I’m thinking we’re walking a fine line again here. I’m keen to hear George’s input. Maybe George could simply qualify his points with IMO to keep things within the rules? Thanks

I apologise for creating issues here. I’d just like you all to have accurate information. You’re all so intelligent and it’s hard to see you being misled...
I’m not going to engage further.

 

[CKTC]

Or that who planted it was with him the first time they walked the track. So he would have know where to put it. Also could have


You can definitely see sunlight on the photo of the hat they released to MSM. I said the hat doesn’t look to have sun bleaching which it should of it it had been in the position for 5 weeks

I increased contrast on pic so to enchant the sunlight hitting the hat

Are we confident that this is how the hat was found? Perhaps it was shifted to take a clear photo? We’d need to know exactly how it was lying on the ground to think about bleaching and dirt patterns etc.

 

[SouthAussie]

So hard Will bite my tongue from now on. Thanks.

No worries. It is okay to 'attack' (debate) the post, it is not okay to 'attack' the poster here on WS.

Something the mods tell us.

You sound like you have a lot of knowledge, and personally I am always interested to hear it. Please keep on engaging with us.

 

[T-dawg420]

Remember that each raw data point from google takeout has its own accuracy level. Some of the data points have very high accuracy and some are quite low. So it’s possible this map in MDM doesn’t take these accuracy levels into account.

To me it seems that there has been a clear change in the map that has been on MSM. The ‘newer’ map is so vague there are no deviations and whatnot. Where the old map clearly has. It’s like there’s info in the original map that wasn’t suppose to be released IMO.

I know it’s been stated that the original map might not be 100% accurate however it seems to be a lot more accurate then the second one and once again IMO it seems like s concerted effort to make sure the first map isn’t taken as gospel.... but it just ruffles some feathers when as stated, there is clear evidence that the second part of that early map is quite accurate IMO..would seem strange to have the second half of the map almost spot on and the first part of it not being accurate.. IMO

Why can’t the gps that the family use be released to MSM? The same one David Murray and co follow in the podcast?

There’s no way they followed the second vague map IMO

 

[Rocket333]

I apologise for creating issues here. I’d just like you all to have accurate information. You’re all so intelligent and it’s hard to see you being misled...
I’m not going to engage further.

We need you, we need everyone. We need to stay on task, work together and focus on what’s known and what’s possible. It could be the difference. Leave the refereeing to the moderator but aim to abide by the pretty simple rules and not close the thread for a third time. Just add IMO, JMO etc and provide sources where possible. Peace

 

[Harpboon]

@BusterXP

Rain fall and temps for cape byron for may June July

Climate statistics for Australian locations

 

[espirtu pampa]

About the colour of the hat something doesn't add up. They say it was dark when they walk trough there but now the picture shows sunlight. I don't know when they searched for the first time. Maybe yes the leaves fell between the 2 searches.

 

[SouthAussie]

I'm wondering how much rain there was over that 5 weeks. Leave a hat out in those conditions for 5 weeks and how does its appearance change? Dry exposed sunlight I'd think would have a different effect to dark and possibly moist air.
Edit: posted before I saw the pic put up.

From what I can tell by the attached charts, there were 20 days of rain. Fluctuating between some really light, presumably shorter rainfalls, and a few really heavy, presumably longer rainfalls.

Byron Bay, NSW - June 2019 - Daily Weather Observations

Byron Bay, NSW - July 2019 - Daily Weather Observations

 

[T-dawg420]

Are we confident that this is how the hat was found? Perhaps it was shifted to take a clear photo? We’d need to know exactly how it was lying on the ground to think about bleaching and dirt patterns etc.

I agree on this. Cos the way it’s sitting on that log in the pic makes it stick out like dogs balls!

 

[SouthAussie]

About the colour of the hat something doesn't add up. They say it was dark when they walk trough there but now the picture shows sunlight. I don't know when they searched for the first time. Maybe yes the leaves fell between the 2 searches.

Not many leaves on the cap, are there? I live in a treed area. If there are leaves on the ground, like the ones in the pic, I think there would be far more leaves on the cap, as well. After 5 weeks.

To me it looks as though a few leaves have fallen (been placed?) on the cap ... but not enough to satisfy me (who sweeps up fallen leaves all the time).

If any leaves were brushed off the cap for the purpose of the photo - and I hope that photo was taken exactly how the cap was found - there should be leaf staining on the brim. imo

From what I have read, the searchers seem to know the search protocols quite well. Don't touch, take photos, then give to the police - it seems they were briefed with that each morning before they started to search (according to a podcast).

 

[BusterXP]

@BusterXP

Rain fall and temps for cape byron for may June July

Climate statistics for Australian locations

We can't duplicate that in the real world now with the heat.
All I'll say is that it doesn't look, to me, that it has been out there for 5 weeks. I'm probably wrong.