Australia Australia - Theo Hayez, 18, Belgian backpacker, Byron Bay, June 2019 #3

[SouthAussie]

I agree on this. Cos the way it’s sitting on that log in the pic makes it stick out like dogs balls!

However, if it was moved, why are there still leaves sitting in the indentations? I think they would have fallen off if the cap was picked up.

 

[BusterXP]

Not many leaves on the cap, are there? I live in a treed area. If there are leaves on the ground, like the ones in the pic, I think there would be far more leaves on the cap, as well.

To me it looks as though a few leaves have fallen (been placed?) on the cap ... but not enough to satisfy me (who sweeps up fallen leaves all the time).

If any leaves were brushed off the cap for the purpose of the photo - and I hope that photo was taken exactly how the cap was found - there should be leaf staining on the brim. imo

I noticed that and compared the leaves on the ground. Green grass growing through. It's very hard to guess how long it was there. It baffles me why the Police didn't find it. Video of the search at Clarkes looked so thorough.

 

[John Stevens]

Why do I have to post proof, but your word is good enough?

I stated to speak to Irish George! There is my proof! Given you are stating I am lying and I have now asked you to provide the proof of the days plan was to go in two directions! I look forward to you posting a pic of the days plans for the 7/7 to now prove that I am lying and you are not! If you cannot prove they facts you state please do not make out others are lying!

 

[John Stevens]

Why do I have to post proof, but your word is good enough?

I stated to speak to Irish George! There is my proof! Given you are stating I am lying and I have now asked you to provide the proof of the days plan was to go in two directions! I look forward to you posting a pic of the days plans for the 7/7 to now prove that I am lying and you are not! If you cannot prove they facts you state please do not make out others are lying!

I hope you provided that bone to police. I’ll make sure the family is aware and checks.

have you read my post slowly? Please re-read my post! It stated be try clearly I have gave it to someone there!

 

[John Stevens]

Which camp site was the cap near George? Tommy’s or the one on the beach?

The hat was found next to the camp site with the clothes line! The pic was posted! I also have a video of the campsite!

 

[John Stevens]

The hat was found next to the camp site with the clothes line! The pic was posted! I also have a video of the campsite!

I left a poster on the beach one which had a tent next to the beach!

 

[SouthAussie]

I noticed that and compared the leaves on the ground. Green grass growing through. It's very hard to guess how long it was there. It baffles me why the Police didn't find it. Video of the search at Clarkes looked so thorough.

I am baffled why the police dogs didn't find the cap, at the very least.

From all I am reading, the dogs have been very involved in the police searches in all areas.

Eg: NSW Police Force and the State Emergency Service, (SES) using police dogs and drones, have been assisted by members of the community in a widespread search of Byron and surrounds, across bushland, beaches and swamps.
Theo HAYEZ

 

[John Stevens]

Hi Admin how do I get verified, can you send me the link!

 

[CKTC]

No worries. It is okay to 'attack' (debate) the post, it is not okay to 'attack' the poster here on WS.

Something the mods tell us.

You sound like you have a lot of knowledge, and personally I am always interested to hear it. Please keep on engaging with us.

I meant not going to engage further with people giving misinformation. I’ll stay on here for sure.

 

[feralflower]

Didn’t he go for a swim and was found a week later floating a little further south? Had a girlfriend back at the hostel etc. Seems like a rip got him?

His shoe was still on him when found and went missing at night 9 pm so unlikely he went for a swim but maybe a fall or jumped? Or? Grim beach find ends a long search

 

[Harpboon]

However, if it was moved, why are there still leaves sitting in the indentations? I think they would have fallen off if the cap was picked up.

That’s what I was thinking too!
They would of fallen off if repositioned for photo IMO

 

[Jables333]

When is that from as I can’t see a date and the reporter is speaking in the present tense?

It came up as being published on 1.12.2019 in Google search results. But you are right, on closer examination there is no date on the URL or mentioned in the video.

 

[CKTC]

About the colour of the hat something doesn't add up. They say it was dark when they walk trough there but now the picture shows sunlight. I don't know when they searched for the first time. Maybe yes the leaves fell between the 2 searches.

The canopy discussed in the podcast referred to the trees at Cosy Corner. That’s a different spot to where the hat was found.

 

[SouthAussie]

Because the variation in ping data and GPS data has been bothering me so much ... I have been doing some research into the accuracy of Google's GPS data.

I have to say, there are many occasions when the GPS data can be out (in some cases by as much as 25-35 miles).
Apparently, some factors that affect the accuracy include the accuracy of the phone itself, the strength of the wifi, the mobile phone tower density.

There are many forums out there that discuss this.

I will link just a few, for anyone who is interested.

https://www.quora.com/How-accurate-is-the-timeline-history-in-Google-Maps
Google Maps Location History is showing an incorrect location
How Accurate Is The Raw Data? - Google Maps Help

 

[CKTC]

I noticed that and compared the leaves on the ground. Green grass growing through. It's very hard to guess how long it was there. It baffles me why the Police didn't find it. Video of the search at Clarkes looked so thorough.

As far as I’m aware the searches at Tallows by police and SES were not as thorough as the ones on the Clarke’s beach side.

 

[SouthAussie]

As far as I’m aware the searches at Tallows by police and SES were not as thorough as the ones on the Clarke’s beach side.

And that is one of the things that makes me think that the ping data and the GPS data are quite different.

The police were responding to ping data, I believe. That is the data they had.

The current conversation is responding to GPS data ... which, I believe, may be erroneous (according to what I am reading).

 

[T-dawg420]

However, if it was moved, why are there still leaves sitting in the indentations? I think they would have fallen off if the cap was picked up.

Agree with you on this too.. if it’s been moved into that position to get a better pic then why are the leaves on top.

What I’m trying to articulate is I can’t see how that hat, sitting in that position in that log was missed in the cop search. Maybe if thats where the hat always was, being so close to a camp, maybe the cops didn’t want to get too close to that camp, or even thinking that hat was from someone in the camp?

And I also think it doesn’t look like it has been sitting in this position for 5 weeks. JMO

 

[Deleted member 255258]

As far as I’m aware the searches at Tallows by police and SES were not as thorough as the ones on the Clarke’s beach side.

I meant not going to engage further with people giving misinformation. I’ll stay on here for sure.

Just reading all the posts. What misinformation CK? You said that the cap was not found near the campsite (the one I posted a photo of). That is was not anywhere near Tommy's campsite. The you are saying must be between Tommy's campsite and the one on the beach - so first you are attacking me like you know exactly where the cap was and the campsite and I am wrong, but then must be between Tommy's and the beach camp, so you don't even know? If you know everything that went on at Tallows, you should have known about the long bone at CC that GM found, which he gave to one of the search team he was with at CC and they dismissed it as probably an animal bone and did nothing about it (It was actually GM's dog who dug up the bone. It was fairly deep in the sand). Then there was that dead animal smell. From the hill top above the grass area, there was a dead animal smell wafting upwards from below, as in from the beach area. Second time GM was at CC with several other volunteers, they could all smell it. But they were never able to pinpoint the spot where the smell was coming from. Since you give the impression you were there and know everything that happened, did you know about that. Were you there part of GM's search team at CC? GM and I strongly believe that the sand at CC needs to be dug up, and I hope the family can convince someone to do just that. You clearly were not there when GM and "Irish George" were talking at the carpark one on one, not with a group of people, where George suggested to search south side. Proof? Ask Irish George. You know everyone in the search group, so you know who Irish George is, so ask him. As for the plan to search south was made days before, search plans were written out, so can you post a snapshot of that plan to search southside days before GM spoke to Irish George? Since you are accusing GM of lying about this, and spreading misinformation about the location of the cap when clearly the information was correct, I think you should post that pre-planned doc to search south Tallow. Oh, and after leaving Tommy's campsite, GM left a poster of Theo at the campsite near the beach, which was relatively close by - the one where now there is that POI. I guess you knew about that too, right?

 

[SouthAussie]

Just reading all the posts. What misinformation CK? You said that the cap was not found near the campsite (the one I posted a photo of). That is was not anywhere near Tommy's campsite. The you are saying must be between Tommy's campsite and the one on the beach - so first you are attacking me like you know exactly where the cap was and the campsite and I am wrong, but then must be between Tommy's and the beach camp, so you don't even know? If you know everything that went on at Tallows, you should have known about the long bone at CC that GM found, which he gave to one of the search team he was with at CC and they dismissed it as probably an animal bone and did nothing about it (It was actually GM's dog who dug up the bone. It was fairly deep in the sand). Then there was that dead animal smell. From the hill top above the grass area, there was a dead animal smell wafting upwards from below, as in from the beach area. Second time GM was at CC with several other volunteers, they could all smell it. But they were never able to pinpoint the spot where the smell was coming from. Since you give the impression you were there and know everything that happened, did you know about that. Were you there part of GM's search team at CC? GM and I strongly believe that the sand at CC needs to be dug up, and I hope the family can convince someone to do just that. You clearly were not there when GM and "Irish George" were talking at the carpark one on one, not with a group of people, where George suggested to search south side. Proof? Ask Irish George. You know everyone in the search group, so you know who Irish George is, so ask him. As for the plan to search south was made days before, search plans were written out, so can you post a snapshot of that plan to search southside days before GM spoke to Irish George? Since you are accusing GM of lying about this, and spreading misinformation about the location of the cap when clearly the information was correct, I think you should post that pre-planned doc to search south Tallow. Oh, and after leaving Tommy's campsite, GM left a poster of Theo at the campsite near the beach, which was relatively close by - the one where now there is that POI. I guess you knew about that too, right?

This type of conversation needs to happen off-thread. Not on a public forum. imo

This thread is about Theo, not about the searchers. Most of us have now agreed to not engage, as we are determined to keep this thread open for Theo.

O/T: I hope your RFS duties are going well, and that the fires will soon be calming down - and ceasing to be - in the affected areas.

 

[SouthAussie]

Someone with your claimed astute investigative ability should be able to find that information very easily in the matter of moments.
I doubt admin would read every post here.

It is possible to see who has liked the verification process post that was put up by WS owner. I was going to post the info yesterday, but found it was redundant to do that.


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