Australia Australia - Theo Hayez, 18, Belgian backpacker, Byron Bay, June 2019 #3

[BusterXP]

Just trying to get my head around this.
If I send a text and I’ve got wifi & battery life, it’ll say the text is sent right?
If I send a text and it fails to send, this would be due to me not having reception.
If Antoine had reception, his text will say it was delivered. Right?

Sent and delivered to the recipient are different. Sent would be to the server. Delivered to the phone requires receipts activated and for the phone to issue a receipt. It's similar to email.
Android: Check if Text Message Was Delivered - Technipages

 

[Rocket333]

Sent and delivered to the recipient are different. Sent would be to the server. Delivered to the phone requires receipts activated and for the phone to issue a receipt. It's similar to email.
Android: Check if Text Message Was Delivered - Technipages

So Antoine’s text was successfully sent to the server? We’ve no idea if Theo’s phone received it.

 

[BusterXP]

So Antoine’s text was successfully sent to the server? We’ve no idea if Theo’s phone received it.

I'd say that's so. It's unlikely Antoine would have that setting enabled. I'd assume iphone is similar if he used that.
Following says receipts only available for iPhone if both use the Imessage app.
How to Activate or Enable iPhone SMS Delivery Report

Adding (unrelated to this) : WhatsApp uses ticks. One grey sent, two grey delivered, 2 blue read.

 

[bearbear]

Why do French native speakers say "ugh/euh" after phrases?
https://www.quora.com/Why-do-French-native-speakers-say-ugh-euh-after-phrases

 

[Pod]

Honestly, I just assumed the message was sent via messenger... lol

 

[Pod]

Maybe Theo received a message sometime around 6, bringing the phone out of sleep mode?

 

[SouthAussie]

What do you mean? If he saw the sunrise, he’s alive. If police theory is correct, he’s dead. Don’t get it.

Simple, really. I think that if Theo watched the sunrise from the headlands, the possibility of him doing so from a goat track vantage point or a fisherman's rock may have led to him being taken by a fatal fall and/or swell.

I think the chances of something nefarious happening to Theo in the daylight hours - when joggers, walkers, and fishermen are doing their morning thing - is much, much slimmer.

 

[mussopossum]

I came across this old story.

Young backpacker Theo Hayez missing in Australia and 'in grave danger'


Even though the Shirly St footage was ruled out they also mention a ping around the ridge area.

So pinged at around 117 am.

I dont remember seeing this before.

On CCTV footage from an accommodation house on Shirley Street, at 11.17pm, Theo is seen looking at his phone, before turning right toward his hostel. A couple of hours later, his phone was pinged near Byron Beach and Tallow Beach near Tallow's Ridge.

 

[mussopossum]

Simple, really. I think that if Theo watched the sunrise from the headlands, the possibility of him doing so from a goat track vantage point or a fisherman's rock may have led to him being taken by a fatal fall and/or swell.

I think the chances of something nefarious happening to Theo in the daylight hours - when joggers, walkers, and fishermen are doing their morning thing - is much, much slimmer.

Interesting you bring up the sunrise.

One of Wake Ups activities that you can book is the shuttle bus from the hostel to the lighthouse of a morning to watch the sunrise.

I more looked at it some time ago to see if maybe any other Wake up guests may have been on a morning tour that morning and if they might have seen anything (clothing shoes phone anything)

 

[mussopossum]

Just trying to get my head around this.
If I send a text and I’ve got wifi & battery life, it’ll say the text is sent right?
If I send a text and it fails to send, this would be due to me not having reception.
If Antoine had reception, his text will say it was delivered. Right?

My understanding is and it may depend on operating systems/phone models, that if the recipient phone is switched on with an active sim, internet or network signal that the message will show as delivered when the sender is looking at the phone.

If the recipients phone was switched off or had no sim installed and was in a non-network status the message would show nothing other than it had been sent.

I think this can differ as to if one used messenger too.

 

[SouthAussie]

Interesting you bring up the sunrise.

One of Wake Ups activities that you can book is the shuttle bus from the hostel to the lighthouse of a morning to watch the sunrise.

I more looked at it some time ago to see if maybe any other Wake up guests may have been on a morning tour that morning and if they might have seen anything (clothing shoes phone anything)

Actually, I didn't bring up the sunrise. Peralta did. I said way back in thread one that I didn't think Theo hung around for 7+ hours to watch the sunrise, and I still think that way. It was the start of winter. It was cold. Theo seemed inadequately dressed to be outside for that length of time.

And even the Brazilian person said that the doof parties didn't go until the sunrise - I think he said they went from 11-2, or something like that.

 

[mussopossum]

Actually, I didn't bring up the sunrise. Peralta did. I said way back in thread one that I didn't think Theo hung around for 7+ hours to watch the sunrise, and I still think that way. It was the start of winter. It was cold. Theo seemed inadequately dressed to be outside for that length of time.

And even the Brazilian person said that the doof parties didn't go until the sunrise - I think he said they went from 11-2, or something like that.

I dont think he would watch the sunrise either, my thoughts were as to the sunrise tours and shuttle bus from Wake up that took guests up there in the mornings and if anyone saw anything out the ordinary.

Unfortunately, any of those possible guests or other visitors that morning have returned home and possibly overseas and not contactable and may have been helpful in at least assisting with anything they did or did not see that morning around the cliffs

 

[SouthAussie]

I dont think he would watch the sunrise either, my thoughts were as to the sunrise tours and shuttle bus from Wake up that took guests up there in the mornings and if anyone saw anything out the ordinary.

Unfortunately, any of those possible guests or other visitors that morning have returned home and possibly overseas and not contactable and may have been helpful in at least assisting with anything they did or did not see that morning around the cliffs

Yes, understood.

I personally think that whatever happened to Theo happened prior to 2am.

 

[Rocket333]

That phone that John’s friend found in the sand at CC. (Pod 6, 50:00)
It’s the same as Theo’s.

What are the chances of a phone the same as Theo’s being found buried in the sand at Cosy Corner in July?

That has to be Theo’s phone. The cap has to be his too.

His phone at CC.
His cap on the beach track.

He was ok at CC. So the phone dropped first and then his cap on his exit from the beach?

The police aren’t sharing test results, findings, evidence, phone intel. Why? What else are they sitting on?

 

[T-dawg420]

I came across this old story.

Young backpacker Theo Hayez missing in Australia and 'in grave danger'


Even though the Shirly St footage was ruled out they also mention a ping around the ridge area.

So pinged at around 117 am.

I dont remember seeing this before.

On CCTV footage from an accommodation house on Shirley Street, at 11.17pm, Theo is seen looking at his phone, before turning right toward his hostel. A couple of hours later, his phone was pinged near Byron Beach and Tallow Beach near Tallow's Ridge.

I particularly took note of this

"We would love to believe that he met a girl and had a fling ... and that's why there's no sign of life," Delforge said. "But that just isn't him, that's not his style."

Theo had been in Byron for only a day or two, barely enough time to register among the myriad hippies, surfers, beachgoers, travellers, celebrities and long-time residents of the coastal enclave.“

IMO I don’t think he had enough time to form a relationship enough with anyone to not only meet them at Tennyson and then to follow on to CC. Esp if you add to that he was kicked out of CM and didn’t decide to leave himself.

IMO there is more evidence of Theo wanting to go directly home that night then wanting to party on anywhere.

The evidence for him going home is not alerting Antoine of any plans after CM (Antoine says in podcast no plans after CM), searching for directions home before he makes it to end of Tennyson. There doesn’t seem to be any msgs from Theo’s phone to anyone around the time of him leaving CM and the end of Tennyson.

Where is the evidence that he wanted to party on after being kicked out of CM? I can’t see much myself.

If you go with that narrative, and Theo went to CC without any pre plans, what would have attracted Theo to go to CC?

Is it reasonable to think Theo would have trusted a stranger to go all the way to CC for a doof?

 

[SouthAussie]

Is it reasonable to think Theo would have trusted a stranger to go all the way to CC for a doof?

Probably not. imo
Theo's father was quite clear in the 6th podcast how much Theo stressed to his younger brother to take care with his actions because of the (potential) consequences - or words to that effect.

Theo had been here for 8 months. He hadn't just stepped off the plane.
I think he would have seen that while we are a relatively safe country we still have our fair share of losers and people who turn nasty when they are drunk/drugged up.

 

[AJF-Aus]

My understanding is and it may depend on operating systems/phone models, that if the recipient phone is switched on with an active sim, internet or network signal that the message will show as delivered when the sender is looking at the phone.

If the recipients phone was switched off or had no sim installed and was in a non-network status the message would show nothing other than it had been sent.

I think this can differ as to if one used messenger too.

I think Antoine probably used Whatsapp? It tells you when a message has been received by the phone. And when/if it has been read. It’s the only real functionality an android has that could let you know a text has ‘gone through’, I think. Noting it is an app.

 

[Rocket333]

I listened to the Podcast again:

"Some point after Theo went to Cosy Corner signal strength dropped substantially" - Parker when family were called into the Police Station for final briefing.
Police have refused to tell the family ar what time the signal dropped. Belgian Police say the drop in signal was *between* 2am and 6am. They don't say it was for that entire duration.
It's unclear. It isn't reported that they said something like 'for the period between' or similar. *between* could be some time during that period.

Would signal decrease noticeably when phone is submerged in sand?

 

[Rocket333]

Is it reasonable to think Theo would have trusted a stranger to go all the way to CC for a doof?

No, I don’t think that’s reasonable given all we’ve learned about him. If he went willingly, I would propose it was in the company of atleast one person he knew and felt familiar & safe with. Otherwise he was coerced, and may have spent the entire journey trying to depart safely.

 

[Rocket333]

Simple, really. I think that if Theo watched the sunrise from the headlands, the possibility of him doing so from a goat track vantage point or a fisherman's rock may have led to him being taken by a fatal fall and/or swell.

I think the chances of something nefarious happening to Theo in the daylight hours - when joggers, walkers, and fishermen are doing their morning thing - is much, much slimmer.

No, he wouldn’t wait there that long on such a cold, dark night when all he wanted to do was go home. The chances of him climbing the cliff is less likely too if his family’s description of him is accurate. The attempt to ascend it sounds perilous enough, without sitting on a precarious cliff top to watch the sun rise. You’d hang around the lighthouse within the fences surely.

I reckon IF he went over, it was due to being pushed or happened posthumously.