Australia Australia - Theo Hayez, 18, Belgian backpacker, Byron Bay, June 2019

[Ag33]

Theo wasn’t a big drinker or a person that took drugs. His bank account and social media have not been touched since his disappearance. There is so much bush land around the Byron and mid-north coast area.. he could be absolutely anywhere. He has definitely met with foul play IMO and this will be another case where his remains will be found later in future. Such a sad case. So many volunteers made such efforts but I believe in the wrong places. It
Could take several months to search all areas surrounding the Byron Bay Area. Devastating for Theo’s family and friends.

 

[mussopossum]

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How intoxicated was Theo before he ventured to Cheeky Monkeys??

What time did they start drinking that day/night??

Theo was obviously not that intoxicated to be allowed entry to CM and buy 2 drinks. Thing's are just not adding up.

The manager of CM said he only had 2 drinks

Cheeky Monkey's manager Colm Brennan said the 18-year-old Belgian had been at the tourist bar for just a few hours on May 31 and only had two drinks before he was asked to leave by security at about 11pm.

"He sat down, he chatted, he had a dance and that was it," Mr Brennan told AAP on Tuesday.

Bar manager shares details of backpacker's final night as medium is abused for 'visions'

I beleive it was confirmed that Theo had been at a BBQ with other backpackers (after seen buying alcohol at the bottle shop) and I think this was at the back packers accomodation Wake up (correct me if I am wrong). Although was no mention how much he had to drink at this BBQ / party it was mentioned in MSM that he did only have 2 drinks at CM. I find it interesting though, how could a club manager or staff possibly remember how many drinks someone had that night? Was there CCTV over the bar, was there more than one bar? His friends appear to have become seperated on and off once in there so they couldnt confirm 100% I presume? That place is full to the rafters of people buying drinks, could they really know and remember how many drinks he had (lets say he wasnt showing signs of being drunk when buying his first drink) There is no law as to how many drinks a person can consume however you only would pay attention when they order that next drink and appear intoxicated. Or they are causing commotion due to becoming intoxicated and being asked to leave. Freinds also buy each other drinks as well. So I wonder how the manager of CM can confirm he only had 2 drinks? Would take alot of CCTV, alot of good reliable memories or a witness who was joined at the hip of him all night at the club IMOO

 

[Ag33]

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I beleive it was confirmed that Theo had been at a BBQ with other backpackers (after seen buying alcohol at the bottle shop) and I think this was at the back packers accomodation Wake up (correct me if I am wrong). Although was no mention how much he had to drink at this BBQ / party it was mentioned in MSM that he did only have 2 drinks at CM. I find it interesting though, how could a club manager or staff possibly remember how many drinks someone had that night? Was there CCTV over the bar, was there more than one bar? His friends appear to have become seperated on and off once in there so they couldnt confirm 100% I presume? That place is full to the rafters of people buying drinks, could they really know and remember how many drinks he had (lets say he wasnt showing signs of being drunk when buying his first drink) There is no law as to how many drinks a person can consume however you only would pay attention when they order that next drink and appear intoxicated. Or they are causing commotion due to becoming intoxicated and being asked to leave. Freinds also buy each other drinks as well. So I wonder how the manager of CM can confirm he only had 2 drinks? Would take alot of CCTV, alot of good reliable memories or a witness who was joined at the hip of him all night at the club IMOO

CCTV footage was looked at over the time Theo was at CM and confirmed he had two drinks at the Venue. As you mentioned, Theo was at a bbq before hand after leaving the bottle shop with alcohol therefore, his intoxication perhaps was monitored at the venue and he was asked to leave.
Theo certainly didn’t look too intoxicated as per the footage of him walking. He was on his phone while walking hence his walk seemed a little off. If he was completely intoxicated, he would have most likely walked in the wrong direction or stumbled several times. There could be so many different scenarios that could have taken place. It’s such a shame there isn’t more cctv footage released or found after that last footage of him.

 

[SouthAussie]

Theo wasn’t a big drinker or a person that took drugs. His bank account and social media have not been touched since his disappearance. There is so much bush land around the Byron and mid-north coast area.. he could be absolutely anywhere. He has definitely met with foul play IMO and this will be another case where his remains will be found later in future. Such a sad case. So many volunteers made such efforts but I believe in the wrong places. It
Could take several months to search all areas surrounding the Byron Bay Area. Devastating for Theo’s family and friends.

Yes, I think many of us tend to agree with you. This will be devastating for Theo's family. A very difficult concept to grasp ... that your happy, much loved, sensible lad has disappeared and it may be an undetermined, long amount of time before he is found.

 

[Ag33]

Yes, I think many of us tend to agree with you. This will be devastating for Theo's family. A very difficult concept to grasp ... that your happy, much loved, sensible lad has disappeared and it may be an undetermined, long amount of time before he is found.

Every time I drive through the area and surroundings, it hits a spot inside of me realising just how much bushland there is and that he could be anywhere out there. It would have been noted by investigators if any cars were seen on cctv footage around the time of Theo’s disappearance and I’m sure contact was made to drivers seen but if there were perpetrators, they could have driven a route without being captured on cctv footage out of the area to another destination outside of Byron Bay.

And it’s very likely that other phones in the area during the time Theo was last seen, would have been pinged and those people would have been questioned. However, there are people that get bored and were perhaps without phones at the time unable to be tracked down and it could have been a crime of opportunity for all we know. Poor dear Theo

 

[SouthAussie]

Every time I drive through the area and surroundings, it hits a spot inside of me realising just how much bushland there is and that he could be anywhere out there. It would have been noted by investigators if any cars were seen on cctv footage around the time of Theo’s disappearance and I’m sure contact was made to drivers seen but if there were perpetrators, they could have driven a route without being captured on cctv footage out of the area to another destination outside of Byron Bay.

Unfortunately, it makes a lot of (nefarious) sense to dump Theo's 'live' phone in a wild, rocky, cliff area while taking Theo somewhere else entirely. A place where leaving Theo will not have had the possibility of being witnessed.

Anyone who lives in or visits the area often would, no doubt, know ways in which to avoid most highway CCTV. Would know where the highway cameras are.

My greatest hope for Theo is a successful tower dump (or more) which may identify a perp, have captured their phone's pings, and indicate which way the perp has gone. Even then, there are hundreds of thousands of square metres of bushland - and plenty of ocean - where Theo might be.

I do feel that the police know a heck of a lot more than they are revealing. I think we (and any perp) will be kept in the dark about that, for however long it takes.

 

[Ag33]

Unfortunately, it makes a lot of (nefarious) sense to dump Theo's 'live' phone in a wild, rocky, cliff area while taking Theo somewhere else entirely. A place where leaving Theo will not have had the possibility of being witnessed.

Anyone who lives in or visits the area often would, no doubt, know ways in which to avoid most highway CCTV. Would know where the highway cameras are.

My greatest hope for Theo is a successful tower dump (or more) which may identify a perp, have captured their phone's pings, and indicate which way the perp has gone. Even then, there are hundreds of thousands of square metres of bushland - and plenty of ocean - where Theo might be.

I do feel that the police know a heck of a lot more than they are revealing. I think we (and any perp) will be kept in the dark about that, for however long it takes.

Very well said SouthAussie. You hit the nail on the head right there.

 

[Aron.Wor]

How intoxicated was Theo before he ventured to Cheeky Monkeys??

What time did they start drinking that day/night??

Theo was obviously not that intoxicated to be allowed entry to CM and buy 2 drinks. Thing's are just not adding up.

The manager of CM said he only had 2 drinks

Cheeky Monkey's manager Colm Brennan said the 18-year-old Belgian had been at the tourist bar for just a few hours on May 31 and only had two drinks before he was asked to leave by security at about 11pm.

"He sat down, he chatted, he had a dance and that was it," Mr Brennan told AAP on Tuesday.

Bar manager shares details of backpacker's final night as medium is abused for 'visions'

Well, he was at the bottleshop earlier, so we can assume he did consume alcohol before entering CM. If you see the before entering footage, and the footage of him being ejected you can notice that his pants are dirty and marked around knee hight on one leg. A fall? Was his drink spiked? Looks like he made it most the way back to his hostel without too much difficulty, that we can see. Once again, the fact that there is no footage of him walking through the town of BB after CM baffles me. There are businesses all down the main street. All down the streets of the town. It's a tourist destination. For insurance reasons alone there must be a camera in every shop that captures footage of the street - you would think anyhow.

 

[Sambam89]

I thought he was at a servo or near a servo or something after leaving CM’s too wasn’t it said?

 

[CuriousCritter]

I thought he was at a servo or near a servo or something after leaving CM’s too wasn’t it said?

One of the locals that has been so dedicated in finding Theo, Christos Tsesmetzis made a comment on the Bryon Bay Community Board Facebook group saying that the cctv footage near garage and LE is now confirmed which was at 11.12pm heading up Shirley St....but then other's are saying it's unconfirmed.

I wonder if LE are looking into people that left CM about the same time or shortly after Theo left...No real reason as to why he was asked to leave CM apart from being too intoxicated. Was there an argument within CM that night?


Just adding this link as it mentions Christos in it
Bar manager shares details of backpacker's final night as medium is abused for 'visions'

 

[mussopossum]

I thought he was at a servo or near a servo or something after leaving CM’s too wasn’t it said?

Not sure if this was unconfirmed footage of him due to grainy image? I do remember initial report CCTV from a service station I thought on Shirley?

 

[Via Marple]

Well, he was at the bottleshop earlier, so we can assume he did consume alcohol before entering CM. If you see the before entering footage, and the footage of him being ejected you can notice that his pants are dirty and marked around knee hight on one leg. A fall? Was his drink spiked? Looks like he made it most the way back to his hostel without too much difficulty, that we can see. Once again, the fact that there is no footage of him walking through the town of BB after CM baffles me. There are businesses all down the main street. All down the streets of the town. It's a tourist destination. For insurance reasons alone there must be a camera in every shop that captures footage of the street - you would think anyhow.

RBBM

Agree. And the shop owners reviewed the footage before gave to police.

Even the locals know a lot more than they are telling. Not just the police.

I should do a Marple and go there with my knitting, and chat up all those people. Including workers at Cheeky.

 

[simochomps]

Well, he was at the bottleshop earlier, so we can assume he did consume alcohol before entering CM. If you see the before entering footage, and the footage of him being ejected you can notice that his pants are dirty and marked around knee hight on one leg. A fall? Was his drink spiked? Looks like he made it most the way back to his hostel without too much difficulty, that we can see. Once again, the fact that there is no footage of him walking through the town of BB after CM baffles me. There are businesses all down the main street. All down the streets of the town. It's a tourist destination. For insurance reasons alone there must be a camera in every shop that captures footage of the street - you would think anyhow.

Can anyone post videos that are not of him at the bottle shop, and of him walking next to a van and close to a post sign? That's all I've seen but I would be interested in seeing the other videos if available!

 

[BusterXP]

I beleive it was confirmed that Theo had been at a BBQ with other backpackers (after seen buying alcohol at the bottle shop) and I think this was at the back packers accomodation Wake up (correct me if I am wrong). Although was no mention how much he had to drink at this BBQ / party it was mentioned in MSM that he did only have 2 drinks at CM.

That’s the first I’ve heard about a BBQ. Totally unconfirmed with no evidence of him returning to the hostel. From the FAQ
”Theo was seen at the Northern Bottle shop at 7.45pm on the 31st of May.



He was last seen leaving the Cheeky Money at 11pm when he was asked to leave due to being intoxicated. He cooperated fully and was not aggressive. Others who attended the club that night describe him as not being overly drunk, was friendly and having a nice time.”



Theo sent a message to a friend at 12.20am on the 1st of June.

 

[Matlock]

New twist in search for Theo Hayez as police zero in on headland next to Byron Bay's iconic lighthouse - as fellow backpacker slams hostel for not raising the alarm for THREE days

"May 31 11pm: The last confirmed sighting of Hayez. He was spotted leaving the Cheeky Monkey bar and appeared to be heading in the direction of the WakeUp! Backpacker hostel where he was staying.

June 1 AM: The last confirmed WhatsApp message was sent from Theo's phone."

And he was suposedly seen running along Shirly street I think was about 1130 by a local who had just arrived home and was getting out of his car. (Unconfirmed)

So where was he and what was he doing between 1130 - 1am? And This was the only time on the tmeline that they did not put the date and time, so I presume I am incorrect and it is just the date "1st" and not 1am.

Could the person who was with him (If any) be the one who sent the message from Whats app on his phone and not Theo?

This is the only article I have read that confirmed that Theo had actually sent a Whats App message at 1am.

 

[BusterXP]

I reckon the phone ping might have been when someone tried to start up the phone from shutdown . The ping was up to 2pm the next day.
Account for up to 12:20 am when a message was sent and Theo was out for quite a long time without a phone charge. Phone would shut down at 5% leaving just enough for it to be started up again, try to connect and shut down.
The phone being off would account for a gap where the phone wasn’t connected or didn’t even ping.

 

[BusterXP]

The article is wrong stating it was a WhatsApp message. The message was a Messenger one and it was around 12:20 am. It’s known Theo opened WhatsApp but it isn’t known what use was made of it - hence looking into WhatsApp . Source is from post by a family member.
Them saying 1am is being confused with the ping around 1pm which has now been mentioned as up to 2pm.

 

[Matlock]

New twist in search for Theo Hayez as police zero in on headland next to Byron Bay's iconic lighthouse - as fellow backpacker slams hostel for not raising the alarm for THREE days

"May 31 11pm: The last confirmed sighting of Hayez. He was spotted leaving the Cheeky Monkey bar and appeared to be heading in the direction of the WakeUp! Backpacker hostel where he was staying.

June 1 AM: The last confirmed WhatsApp message was sent from Theo's phone."

And he was suposedly seen running along Shirly street I think was about 1130 by a local who had just arrived home and was getting out of his car. (Unconfirmed)

So where was he and what was he doing between 1130 - 1am? And This was the only time on the tmeline that they did not put the date and time, so I presume I am incorrect and it is just the date "1st" and not 1am.

Could the person who was with him (If any) be the one who sent the message from Whats app on his phone and not Theo?

This is the only article I have read that confirmed that Theo had actually sent a Whats App message at 1am.

Correction, he appeared not to be heading back to his hostel because he went up Kingsley St. Not Jonson St. After he was ejected from CM. Any other footage is unconfirmed (Shirley St.etc.)

 

[Matlock]

Well, he was at the bottleshop earlier, so we can assume he did consume alcohol before entering CM. If you see the before entering footage, and the footage of him being ejected you can notice that his pants are dirty and marked around knee hight on one leg. A fall? Was his drink spiked? Looks like he made it most the way back to his hostel without too much difficulty, that we can see. Once again, the fact that there is no footage of him walking through the town of BB after CM baffles me. There are businesses all down the main street. All down the streets of the town. It's a tourist destination. For insurance reasons alone there must be a camera in every shop that captures footage of the street - you would think anyhow.

He went up Kingsley St. Not Jonson (the main street) that's probably why there is no footage of him going through the town. Why did he go up Kingsley?

 

[SouthAussie]

He went up Kingsley St. Not Jonson (the main street) that's probably why there is no footage of him going through the town. Why did he go up Kingsley?

I don't believe that there is no other footage of Theo. I believe it is far more likely that there is no other footage that has been published, or has been publicly spoken of by the police.

The family are not allowed to speak of the investigation, the police choose not to speak of it.

On Sunday Mr Hayez declined to comment further on the official investigation, saying simply that the family "trusts the police".
Family continue to hold out hope for backpacker Theo Hayez as Belgian police arrive

Police only release what they want to release. They seem to always hold back info ... in every case I have ever followed here, and I have followed quite a few.

The police have released clear footage of Theo, in the bottle shop and outside Cheeky Monkey's. So now everyone knows who they are looking for, and what Theo was wearing. That is all we need to know, as far as the police are concerned. imo