Australia Australia - Theo Hayez, 18, Belgian backpacker, Byron Bay, June 2019

[SouthAussie]

That’s the first I’ve heard about a BBQ.

In this post from earlier in the thread .... post #157.

I have read a reply to a similar question on you tube. The reply was very informative and said that Theo and the friend who was also staying at the hostel, went to the bottle shop to buy alcohol for a barbecue that was being held at the hostel. They returned to the hostel after buying the alcohol, and after the barbecue Theo and the same friend then went to Cheeky Monkeys. Theo was asked to leave the bar but the friend stayed on at the bar. They also say it was the same friend who reported him missing several days later.

 

[Matlock]

I agree there is likely more footage not being released but the last public confirmed footage is of him walking up Kingsley next to the van and sign posts. So he appeared to be going away from the main town and there was most likely a reason.

 

[Matlock]

For some reason many people on this forum think that he left CM then went up Kingsley, turned around and went back to his hostel via Jonson St.
I suppose anything is possible but IMO I don't think he was not going back to his hostel.

 

[Matlock]

Sorry for thr typo. The word 'not' should not have been in my last sentence!

 

[SouthAussie]

For some reason many people on this forum think that he left CM then went up Kingsley, turned around and went back to his hostel via Jonson St.
I suppose anything is possible but IMO I don't think he was not going back to his hostel.

The reason why we think that Theo was heading back to his hostel is .... the man who spoke to a journo about Theo being seen running at around 11:30pm on what we believe is Shirley Street. We have google-walked along the street and think we have found the spot (that the journo showed) of where Theo was seen running - across the road from Mango Tree Apts.

Video in this link:
Dog squad joins search for Theo Hayez


Also, this post with some local knowledge about Shirley Street:

It looks like Shirley Street. The footpath, the amount of traffic. I just looked up an email from years ago. I stayed at 44 Shirley Street for a few nights, in August that year.

Mango Tree apartments are to the west of Aloha though ... So he might not have turned into Dryden St after all?

 

[margarita25]

New to this thread, haven’t gotten to read all the posts yet, but just wanted to say that here in the States many young men leaving bars end up found in the water.

 

[mussopossum]

Just adding this link as it mentions Christos in it
Bar manager shares details of backpacker's final night as medium is abused for 'visions'

"Searches have failed to locate his clothing or phone, finding which volunteers feel could be the key to learning Theo's fate"

Again reference to Theos personal items but not Theo.
May this comment mean that they beleive he has taken off his clothing and put down his phone to go for a swim in the water, so if he did not return from his swim they would have found his belongings on the beach where he left them? I am not sure what else finding his clothes or phone somewhere would tell them? Other than reading his phone contents / messages even finding his clothes with blood or stains on them still would not tell them his fate (unless another persons DNA on them or signs consistant of foul play without going into to much detail) I cannot see any reason for him taking off his clothes in this cold temperature, let alone going swimming.

 

[BusterXP]

In this post from earlier in the thread .... post #157.

Legit source please. There is absolutely no mention in the 'Looking for Theo Hayez' group that he retuned to the hostel for a BBQ after buying the alcohol at the bottle shop as seen in the CCTV footage. This includes in the official FAQ.

 

[mussopossum]

That’s the first I’ve heard about a BBQ. Totally unconfirmed with no evidence of him returning to the hostel. From the FAQ
”Theo was seen at the Northern Bottle shop at 7.45pm on the 31st of May.



He was last seen leaving the Cheeky Money at 11pm when he was asked to leave due to being intoxicated. He cooperated fully and was not aggressive. Others who attended the club that night describe him as not being overly drunk, was friendly and having a nice time.”



Theo sent a message to a friend at 12.20am on the 1st of June.

Not in MSM was information online. Unconfirmed information yes. I correct myself, unconfirmed comments.

 

[SouthAussie]

Legit source please. There is absolutely no mention in the 'Looking for Theo Hayez' group that he retuned to the hostel for a BBQ after buying the alcohol at the bottle shop as seen in the CCTV footage. This includes in the official FAQ.

I am not taking the Looking for Theo Hayez group as the be all and end all of everything. It is a group with good intentions, but it doesn't speak of everything.

The hostel had advertised BBQs, different inexpensive meal events on many evenings. The rest of the info in that post turned out to be legit. Why would we pick once piece out of the info and say just that piece is not legit? Because it hasn't been mentioned on his social media page? Or not that people here are aware of?

I am not saying it is right or wrong. But I have no reason to believe there is inaccuracy there ... because the rest of the info in that post is accurate.

 

[SouthAussie]

"Searches have failed to locate his clothing or phone, finding which volunteers feel could be the key to learning Theo's fate"

Again reference to Theos personal items but not Theo.
May this comment mean that they beleive he has taken off his clothing and put down his phone to go for a swim in the water, so if he did not return from his swim they would have found his belongings on the beach where he left them? I am not sure what else finding his clothes or phone somewhere would tell them? Other than reading his phone contents / messages even finding his clothes with blood or stains on them still would not tell them his fate (unless another persons DNA on them or signs consistant of foul play without going into to much detail) I cannot see any reason for him taking off his clothes in this cold temperature, let alone going swimming.

Maybe that is what the volunteers are thinking, but it is not what the police are thinking?

 

[mussopossum]

Legit source please. There is absolutely no mention in the 'Looking for Theo Hayez' group that he retuned to the hostel for a BBQ after buying the alcohol at the bottle shop as seen in the CCTV footage. This includes in the official FAQ.

How about I change my comment. TBH I have read so many articles, facebook posts, private messages and WS posts. I cant remember everything and where I saw it so will just alter my comment accordingly to avoid any speculation, confusion etc that cannot be confirmed.

 

[Matlock]

The reason why we think that Theo was heading back to his hostel is .... the man who spoke to a journo about Theo being seen running at around 11:30pm on what we believe is Shirley Street. We have google-walked along the street and think we have found the spot (that the journo showed) of where Theo was seen running - across the road from Mango Tree Apts.

Video in this link:
Dog squad joins search for Theo Hayez


Also, this post with some local knowledge about Shirley Street:

The running incident is not confirmed as well as Theo being spotted in other towns. I don't get why you are trying to work out what happened from unconfirmed sightings. The only true evidence that we know is that he walked up Kingsley St. Maybe the running etc. did happen but it would seem weird that he went for a scenic walk in the back streets before going back to Shirley St. where you have placed him.

 

[Karinna]

How intoxicated was Theo before he ventured to Cheeky Monkeys??

What time did they start drinking that day/night??

Theo was obviously not that intoxicated to be allowed entry to CM and buy 2 drinks. Thing's are just not adding up.

The manager of CM said he only had 2 drinks

Cheeky Monkey's manager Colm Brennan said the 18-year-old Belgian had been at the tourist bar for just a few hours on May 31 and only had two drinks before he was asked to leave by security at about 11pm.

"He sat down, he chatted, he had a dance and that was it," Mr Brennan told AAP on Tuesday.

Bar manager shares details of backpacker's final night as medium is abused for 'visions'

I agree something sounds very off about these circumstances. So the "He sat down, he chatted, he had a dance and that was it" statement doesn't indicate at all that Theo did anything wrong to deserve being asked to leave the venue.
And security asked him to leave. Why? I hope police have questioned those working security that night and followed up about whoever was involved with that to check their movements after the fact of TH having left CM?
It just doesn't make sense IMO.

 

[SouthAussie]

The running incident is not confirmed as well as Theo being spotted in other towns. I don't get why you are trying to work out what happened from unconfirmed sightings. The only true evidence that we know is that he walked up Kingsley St. Maybe the running etc. did happen but it would seem weird that he went for a scenic walk in the back streets before going back to Shirley St. where you have placed him.

Because we look at all the available info ... confirmed or not confirmed on Theo's SM page. We develop different theories.

The police are not releasing any more info. The family have obviously been told not to speak (much) of the investigation. They may not know the intricate details, or may avoid questions by saying things are not confirmed. What does it take to confirm info? One witness, two witnesses, a fingerprint, DNA, Theo himself?

It is okay to have differing opinions here. It is a sleuthing forum, not a court of law.

 

[mussopossum]

In this post from earlier in the thread .... post #157.

Thanks SA for confirming I am not losing my marbles, I knew I read it somewhere.

 

[Via Marple]

It is valid on WS that we require information source, and question a comment if not given.

The reason why we think that Theo was heading back to his hostel is .... the man who spoke to a journo about Theo being seen running at around 11:30pm on what we believe is Shirley Street. We have google-walked along the street and think we have found the spot (that the journo showed) of where Theo was seen running - across the road from Mango Tree Apts.

Video in this link:
Dog squad joins search for Theo Hayez


Also, this post with some local knowledge about Shirley Street:

Actually IIRC before the running story was broken by Ch.7, it was widely reported in MSM that there was video of Theo walking along Shirley Street, and was last seen turning right into Dryden. Then news came out that police had discounted that footage because they could not confirm it was Theo, even though family and friends were sure it was him.

If it is now not in LFTH FB group, then the family and friends have come to follow the police' decision.

The WS'ers who had been around this case since early on (me included) do tend to have that Shirley Street theory quite stuck in our head However, I personally am doubtful about the running man report. No one other than Ch.7 has reported on it.

 

[BusterXP]

The running incident is not confirmed as well as Theo being spotted in other towns. I don't get why you are trying to work out what happened from unconfirmed sightings. The only true evidence that we know is that he walked up Kingsley St. Maybe the running etc. did happen but it would seem weird that he went for a scenic walk in the back streets before going back to Shirley St. where you have placed him.

I was very confident with that footage opposite Aloha when they found it. There was some excitement at the time that something solid had been found.
It's since then that I'm less confident after Chloe mentioned it was unconfirmed.
It's definite he was heading along Kingsley Street and that he was looking at his phone. It was suspected that he was using Google Maps but he might not have been.
From Kingsley Street he could have gone anywhere.
One possibility is that he headed towards Tallow Beach. That's often a party place in particular at Cosy Corner. If he did there are two tracks that show the same time to arrive at Tallow. Both are south of the car park. I'd say they'd be difficult to transverse at night and they bring you out that bit further south. The area has been searched extensively.

 

[simochomps]

Is anyone able to link the video(s) from where these two stills are taken? I've been trying to find them everywhere but other than comments referencing "the CCTV footage", I can't find anything!

 

[BusterXP]

7:45 at the Bottle Shop. Out of CM at 11 pm with reports he was there for a few hours, might be less. Would you drink a bottle of alcohol with someone before going to CM and where? Might you stash it and go back for it?
The guy with him was interviewed and assisted Police.