Australia Australia - Theo Hayez, 18, Belgian backpacker, Byron Bay, June 2019

[Ann764]

Like mentioned previously throughout these this thread. BB and the northern rivers area is the perfect location for one to hunt humans. The Perfect location. There is such a large amount of backpackers traveling large distances with minimal contact with family and friends. If I wanted to hunt people, I would operate in that location, over vast distances. Imagine the people you'd meet traveling from Sydney to Brisbane. I don't know why people are so reluctant to face the possibility, but TH didn't have an accident. And in this big country, in this time, the possibility of a psychopath or sociopath operating is highly possible.

Yes to vanish I believe it was not an accident. He may have been watched I do think a house and car used in the area are realistic as his phone did not ping from a new tower hence did not leave the cbd tower until the following day

 

[Ann764]

It is fantastic how many are volunteering in the search for Theo and clues however the amount traffic on foot through there I imagine the amount contamination and possible evidence being walked into the ground.

I remember someone commenting on this early on on the LFT page and that they should leave it to police due to the contamination of the area if something was found.

Dammed if you do, dammed if you dont really.

The week delay with poor weather conditions and people’s memory. Yet if he was offered a lift to hostel etc he would not have struggled with also fits with him being ok somewhere and sending a text about music. For whatever reason he at 12.20 did not know the situation he was in. They may have approached as suggested him at CM or seen him during the day and been like hey mate. For whatever reason he disbanded not recognised the threat. No major noises no struggle in to car etc so he has got in to or gone somewhere by choice. But not a party or girl cos when your having fun and busy your not messaging. I makes it seem he was waiting filling in time

 

[Matlock]

The fact that he has not been found in that last area where the cap was found with the amount of groups going through there searching and police previously. I stop and think to myself where is he?

If foul play is expected was he carried to the car park at Tallow and then driven away elsewhere never to be seen again?

I agree. Whatever happened, the culprits would not know that the stupid hostel would take 6 days to report him missing. So therefore they would have dealt with him on the night.

 

[Ann764]

I think it’s normal to hold hope the police have obviously alluded that they were not really close as a parent would not return home if they were closing in or that they had significant evidence that was “matter of time” I still go with they are waiting for a slip up they would have found hat if they knew exact movements and they would still be searching.

Well he was asked to leave due to intoxication. So I’m not sure we can say it’s the phone that is the only cause of his balance. If he was spiked it can take time to take affect. I wonder if they watched all the footage of others leaving around then . Or had someone waiting outside. To follow etc

 

[Matlock]

The week delay with poor weather conditions and people’s memory. Yet if he was offered a lift to hostel etc he would not have struggled with also fits with him being ok somewhere and sending a text about music. For whatever reason he at 12.20 did not know the situation he was in. They may have approached as suggested him at CM or seen him during the day and been like hey mate. For whatever reason he disbanded not recognised the threat. No major noises no struggle in to car etc so he has got in to or gone somewhere by choice. But not a party or girl cos when your having fun and busy your not messaging. I makes it seem he was waiting filling in time

The thing is that he wouldn't have left to go to a house in a car and leave his cap behind. There must have been some kind of struggle in the bush where he left his cap.

 

[Ann764]

If he was going to score drugs as suggested he would have done this you would think before Leaving CM and you would think he would have done so with a friend.

 

[Ann764]

It

The thing is that he wouldn't have left to go to a house in a car and leave his cap behind. There must have been some kind of struggle in the bush where he left his cap.

could have been thrown out the following day. Or found by a gypsy and then once someone realised that it was a missing boys cap threw it away not to be associated

 

[Aron.Wor]

Only time will tell. One way or another. Either someone will be found, or someone else will go missing. TH, well I think that his story will be told at the expences of more lives. But people call me a pessimist. Those 2 young guys that went missing 300 k's away from BB, their bones just found. 300 k's in Australia is nothing. Zip. A quick drive. What 3 hours? How long apart was it? They went missing in Feb. It's now July. If the serial killer theory is correct, there will be another backpacker missing within 6 months, unless they draw attention to themselves. 2 towns known for tourist traffic. Well, the whole east coast is known for tourists. From the top to the bottom. When was the last time that 2 incidents took place, so close to each other, so close in time with such mysterious circumstances? A lot of people go missing in Australia. There are people out there to be afraid of. Backpackers are being attacked all the time. Those two women who went through that horrific attack on a beach at the beginning of the year. I've hitchhiked from Darwin to Townsville, and those isolated towns and highways attract some very strange people. It's not safe out there.

 

[Ann764]

The

I agree. Whatever happened, the culprits would not know that the stupid hostel would take 6 days to report him missing. So therefore they would have dealt with him on the night.

if they were preying on him and perhaps others they could have met during the day and asked his travels etc when leaving offered to show sights etc. but got enough info to know he was alone and only just arrived so did not know many. I’m sure there are many homeless gypsy go missing that are not reported. Rapes at schoolies a lot of predators target transient places. If lost and offered a ride he may have got in to a car with the thought he was being taken back to hostel. They may have said we just need to pull in here and grab this. Come in for a second and have a drink . We will get you back in a bit. Then gone. House .route And plan all pre planned . It just happened to be Theo. And for no conviction they would be feeling pretty confident atm. If that is what happened him being a target. It would have been pretty planned

 

[Ann764]

Only time will tell. One way or another. Either someone will be found, or someone else will go missing. TH, well I think that his story will be told at the expences of more lives. But people call me a pessimist. Those 2 young guys that went missing 300 k's away from BB, their bones just found. 300 k's in Australia is nothing. Zip. A quick drive. What 3 hours? How long apart was it? They went missing in Feb. It's now July. If the serial killer theory is correct, there will be another backpacker missing within 6 months, unless they draw attention to themselves. 2 towns known for tourist traffic. Well, the whole east coast is known for tourists. From the top to the bottom. When was the last time that 2 incidents took place, so close to each other, so close in time with such mysterious circumstances? A lot of people go missing in Australia. There are people out there to be afraid of. Backpackers are being attacked all the time. Those two women who went through that horrific attack on a beach at the beginning of the year. I've hitchhiked from Darwin to Townsville, and those isolated towns and highways attract some very strange people. It's not safe out there.

Yeah they need tourist towns with quick access to highways bush and transit people as they may be. but access to house/Car very little CCTV, lazy towns where the worst is not the first thing that springs to mind. they could be far Gone now till next summer. We hardly hear about most cases particularly if homeless and no one is looking for them. this case has really caught attention. Perhaps parents family etc. so many more occur .

 

[Sambam89]

Yes to vanish I believe it was not an accident. He may have been watched I do think a house and car used in the area are realistic as his phone did not ping from a new tower hence did not leave the cbd tower until the following day

Can you please elaborate on the whole tower / pinging in different areas stuff? What happens with pinging exactly?

 

[Sambam89]

But not a party or girl cos when your having fun and busy your not messaging.

I disagree, could still be a party, I know plenty of people will play on their phones at a party if left alone/ don’t know anyone / don’t want to stand around looking sad so pretend to be busy while waiting for someone they know or someone to talk to. Especially while travelling solo!

 

[Matlock]

I disagree, could still be a party, I know plenty of people will play on their phones at a party if left alone/ don’t know anyone / don’t want to stand around looking sad so pretend to be busy while waiting for someone they know or someone to talk to. Especially while travelling solo!

Couldn't be a party, way too many witnesses. That many witnesses can't be controlled, someone would say something by now. Whatever happened it would likely be three people at the very most that would be involved.

 

[PingTheRouter]

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[Ann764]

I believe this/these people/ persons targeted a vulnerable solo traveler, I think they had a plan .
Yes the map of phone movement has been released ( by family) apparently. But was it him ? What time did the phone make those movements? we do not have times that phone travels on this path. ( was it the following day?)
I don’t believe Theo walked to the beach that evening. He would have been sighted . Also his phone would have re triangulated and moved tower.
I don’t believe he went to score drugs or all or hook up with a girl.
I don’t believe he ran away- he had no financial problems nor children or work.he had family here to sponsor him if he had wanted to stay.
I do believe he was at the end of his trip his tickets were booked home as was greyhound bus .
I do believe he had become relaxed with the backpacking mentality and trust.
I do believe that he had a girlfriend and was no someone who was in to one night stands. As it would have become evident from woman coming forward to make money of knowing Theo after reported missing.
I do believe that he as reported had drinks and went to bbq at hostel then went out. His aquatints did not believe they nor him had over drank.

I do believe he was removed from Cheeky Monkey for appearing intoxicated.

NOW UP IN AIR .
i do believe he was in good spirits and at a time in life where he had nothing to run from. Nor I’m to hookups or drugs.

I don’t believe he hooked up for drugs
I don’t believe he hooked up with girl
I don’t believe he ran away
I don’t believe that he Went to the beach. ( I think his phone did)
I don’t believe his hat was on his head when it was lost / found ( I don’t think Theo ever personally was in that area)

I Think at this point

I do believe he was lost and for what ever reason got in someone’s car willing.
I do think he believe at the time he was going to be taken to hostel.
I do believe he had met the people/ persons b4 leaving CM.
I think he was picked up in a car.
He was perhaps spiked
He had met the people b4 had an element of trust ( who ever appears trustworthy not old etc must have come across as hippy traveler or local etc)
I think it was planned (not necessary for him but for a similar profile)
I think he was taken to a house in Byron CBD
I think there is little police can do without warrant so hands tied
I think the 6/7 days prior to official search launch ( they not anyone predicted but they knew no one would seat until 3rd when suppose to check out they had time )
I think if he was targeted they would have know they had till 3rd and that he was no longer travelling with someone.

I think there was no accident
I think the hat was found by a random and then chucked away after learning about missing Theo

 

[mussopossum]

The thing is that he wouldn't have left to go to a house in a car and leave his cap behind. There must have been some kind of struggle in the bush where he left his cap.

For some reason I have always had it in my head that he lost his hat whilst walking down to the beach.

As in it has hit a branch and come off and as he may been a little drunk had not noticed at the time.

But im not sure where it was found (other than near one the homeless camps) and obviously not on a trail somewhere as it would be found hell of a lot sooner.

This brings me to this next:

If his hat was quite well fit to his head so wouldnt fall off to easily when upright. If he was carried out of there by someone and they wanted to avoid detection they most likely would not have gone on either of those two bush tracks, they likely would have gone through the bush which would allow his hat to come off whilst being carried or snagging on a stick somewhere.

If there was a struggle down at Cosy corner he most likely would lost his hat there?

The map showing him going up and down at cosy corner, maybe this was him being carried up then back down on the sand. It doesnt make sense though why his phone didnt ping again until the next afternoon just that one time in the same location unless the person returned to look for any evidence left from night before.

 

[mussopossum]

I disagree, could still be a party, I know plenty of people will play on their phones at a party if left alone/ don’t know anyone / don’t want to stand around looking sad so pretend to be busy while waiting for someone they know or someone to talk to. Especially while travelling solo!

Most of society is addicted to phones these days and even when busy having fun are still messaging people or tagging on Facebook or looking stuff up they are talking about so I agree with you. I am am totally guilty of this

 

[Ann764]

For some reason I have always had it in my head that he lost his hat whilst walking down to the beach.

As in it has hit a branch and come off and as he may been a little drunk had not noticed at the time.

But im not sure where it was found (other than near one the homeless camps) and obviously not on a trail somewhere as it would be found hell of a lot sooner.

This brings me to this next:

If his hat was quite well fit to his head so wouldnt fall off to easily when upright. If he was carried out of there by someone and they wanted to avoid detection they most likely would not have gone on either of those two bush tracks, they likely would have gone through the bush which would allow his hat to come off whilst being carried or snagging on a stick somewhere.

If there was a struggle down at Cosy corner he most likely would lost his hat there?

The map showing him going up and down at cosy corner, maybe this was him being carried up then back down on the sand. It doesnt make sense though why his phone didnt ping again until the next afternoon just that one time in the same location unless the person returned to look for any evidence left from night before.

Im not sure if you know the area but once out of CBD your phone would ping cape towe if in that area so if walked to beach as suggested . So I just don’t think it was him

 

[mussopossum]

Do we know about what time Theos friend from the hostel sent him a message that next day 1/6? The one that he mentioned was never answered.

I am just wondering if his message was what made Theos phone ping that final time?

 

[Ann764]

I

Im not sure if you know the area but once out of CBD your phone would ping cape tower. So I just don’t think it was him

don’t think his phone went there till morning if he had walked as some suggested it would have re towered .